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Post by manchestergas on Mar 7, 2020 18:34:25 GMT
I suspect they do care, all of them care, question is how much. Not sure you buy a football club, lose lots of money and not care. I would be very concerned if I was Wael.
It seems Ben Garner was a very poor decision. I would be honest and thought his appointment was an interesting one and to be honest was more enthused than when both D.C. and GC were appointed. The latter turned out largely to be good appointments,the former clearly not. The question Now how long they wait to correct the error in the decision.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:23:14 GMT
Just watched Ben Garners after match interview and frankly he is absolutely right with regard to those in the squad that are chicken s**ts. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes but there is no doubt we are seeing what drove Darrel around the bend and what Coughlan wouldn’t stand for. We may be seeing a cull here of the same magnitude of the one when we were landed in the conference.
People of my generation have been here before and we never seem to learn the lessons from employing journeyman on ridiculous wages at the expense of players that would give their right arm to have the privilege of representing the shirt.
Widdrington is the architect of this s**te and needs booting out with the crap he has recruited.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:52:24 GMT
No idea why posters are lumping starnes,wael,widdrington,the players and the tea lady into all this? The only change that has made any difference is ben garner. We were 4th before ben and sadly we have been losing since ben. Wael and Starnes couldn’t give a monkey’s, who brought in these players? Who is managing them? The whole lot is rotten to the core. The team were doing just fine under coughlan,we were in our highest position since 1999. What needs to happen is garner needs to be removed because it has not worked out. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:59:00 GMT
To me garner was like a bull in a china shop.
He announces to all that he wants the team to play a different way and indicates that when he gets the chance he will get players in and move players out that do not fit in.
"But by the way,would all you players with no future mind giving 100% until i can get shot of you?".
No wonder the senior players of downed tools.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 7, 2020 21:27:20 GMT
Just watched Ben Garners after match interview and frankly he is absolutely right with regard to those in the squad that are chicken s***s. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes but there is no doubt we are seeing what drove Darrel around the bend and what Coughlan wouldn’t stand for. We may be seeing a cull here of the same magnitude of the one when we were landed in the conference. People of my generation have been here before and we never seem to learn the lessons from employing journeyman on ridiculous wages at the expense of players that would give their right arm to have the privilege of representing the shirt. Widdrington is the architect of this s***e and needs booting out with the crap he has recruited. Don't agree with this at all. The players we had before Garner were doing just fine - no lack of effort and I don't think it was them that drove DC and GC round the bend - much more likely the politics and lunacy coming from the board in the case of the former, and the lack of respect and affection from us supporters in the case of the latter. What sort of manager insists on a total clear out of players from a team that was in 4th and on a great run of form before he arrives and then only win 1 in 18 after he tries changing everything. Garner is the real problem here - he'd be out of his depth in a puddle. Who are the journeymen on massive wages? Th only one I can think of is Bennett who I agree is truly woeful and definitely needs moving on at the earliest opportunity. The rest have either been OK at least (and very good in the case of Tony Craig). We also have a number of young players like Menayese and Kilgour who have been decent, and a number of promising new ones who haven't yet had much chance to show what they can do. I'm not sure why Widdrington gets stick too. Presumably he was involved in the likes of Jaakola, JCH, Hare, Tom Davies and Ogogo - none of whom have been terrible in my opinion |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 7, 2020 21:37:31 GMT
Garner saying its not bad compared to Corona Virus.... I am not going tuesday! and we will not get anything out of next three games. Tranmere won again today 13 point gap and they have a game in hand. He is saying that GC never got us enough points before he arrived. He really said that? Unbelievable. So if we do end up relegated, it's GC's fault. For only having got us 34 points in 19 games, when he (Benny) could only manage 8 points in 18 games, including games against all 3 bottom sides with 2 all but relegated. Just absolutely unbelievable. If Benny stays for the remaining 10 games, I'll be surprised if he achieves double figures in the points won tally. |
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Post by bondigas on Mar 7, 2020 23:18:35 GMT
What is unbelievable is the cocky arrogance of Garners post match interview, we have now had the full monty from him, every reason under the sun for not putting together a winning team or come to that one that is even organised in 17 games of him been in charge. What is more of a concern is here we are with a rookie manager putting out a side against a youth team who by all accounts have not been paid for weeks thrashing us 3-1 and the CEO can't be bothered to turn up to watch the game or support the manager. How do you expect the team to give a toss if those at the top don't give a toss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:37:46 GMT
False dawn or turning point? Well it's not the second one. Emphasise the positives and bring a friend we are told. Some friend. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:44:45 GMT
Wael and Starnes couldn’t give a monkey’s, who brought in these players? Who is managing them? The whole lot is rotten to the core. The team were doing just fine under coughlan,we were in our highest position since 1999. What needs to happen is garner needs to be removed because it has not worked out. You’re forgetting that we had the best transfer window ever in January. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:50:12 GMT
Just watched Ben Garners after match interview and frankly he is absolutely right with regard to those in the squad that are chicken s***s. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes but there is no doubt we are seeing what drove Darrel around the bend and what Coughlan wouldn’t stand for. We may be seeing a cull here of the same magnitude of the one when we were landed in the conference. People of my generation have been here before and we never seem to learn the lessons from employing journeyman on ridiculous wages at the expense of players that would give their right arm to have the privilege of representing the shirt. Widdrington is the architect of this s***e and needs booting out with the crap he has recruited. Don't agree with this at all. The players we had before Garner were doing just fine - no lack of effort and I don't think it was them that drove DC and GC round the bend - much more likely the politics and lunacy coming from the board in the case of the former, and the lack of respect and affection from us supporters in the case of the latter. What sort of manager insists on a total clear out of players from a team that was in 4th and on a great run of form before he arrives and then only win 1 in 18 after he tries changing everything. Garner is the real problem here - he'd be out of his depth in a puddle. Who are the journeymen on massive wages? Th only one I can think of is Bennett who I agree is truly woeful and definitely needs moving on at the earliest opportunity. The rest have either been OK at least (and very good in the case of Tony Craig). We also have a number of young players like Menayese and Kilgour who have been decent, and a number of promising new ones who haven't yet had much chance to show what they can do. I'm not sure why Widdrington gets stick too. Presumably he was involved in the likes of Jaakola, JCH, Hare, Tom Davies and Ogogo - none of whom have been terrible in my opinion Widdrington was the architect of the January window which was vaunted as the best window in the history of the club but once the hyperbole had died down it became apparent it was all bulls**t- Barrett is so fat he can’t play, and we knew he was fat before that but Widdrington had to have him anyway. Harries is a headless chicken and a liability, Abraham isn’t even a footballer. Daly a self proclaimed wide player signed as a striker. If this is Widdrington’s attempt at trying to bring young players in to play “sexy football” then he is proving that he is almost as unfit for purpose as Garner. Our best signing of the window by all accounts was down to Wael’s contacts at Chelsea. Between the owner, the head scout and the manager we are in serious trouble if they are all allowed to collude over the close season to try and produce a team capable of staying up next season. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 23:53:42 GMT
The team were doing just fine under coughlan,we were in our highest position since 1999. What needs to happen is garner needs to be removed because it has not worked out. You’re forgetting that we had the best transfer window ever in January. What i was pointing out is that the owners brought in the players/type of players garner wanted. DC,coughlan and garner have all been backed by the owners. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 8, 2020 0:19:07 GMT
[quote timestamp="1583616440" source="/post/200067 Widdrington was the architect of the January window which was vaunted as the best window in the history of the club but once the hyperbole had died down it became apparent it was all bulls***- Barrett is so fat he can’t play, and we knew he was fat before that but Widdrington had to have him anyway. Harries is a headless chicken and a liability, Abraham isn’t even a footballer. Daly a self proclaimed wide player signed as a striker. If this is Widdrington’s attempt at trying to bring young players in to play “sexy football” then he is proving that he is almost as unfit for purpose as Garner. Our best signing of the window by all accounts was down to Wael’s contacts at Chelsea. Between the owner, the head scout and the manager we are in serious trouble if they are all allowed to collude over the close season to try and produce a team capable of staying up next season. Bit harsh imo to pass judgement on the new signings so soon. Agree Barrel looks well overweight but may in time prove to be worth a gamble. Presumably Benny has some say in who we sign too so may not all be down to Widdrington |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 8, 2020 9:28:22 GMT
Just watched Ben Garners after match interview and frankly he is absolutely right with regard to those in the squad that are chicken s***s. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes but there is no doubt we are seeing what drove Darrel around the bend and what Coughlan wouldn’t stand for. We may be seeing a cull here of the same magnitude of the one when we were landed in the conference. People of my generation have been here before and we never seem to learn the lessons from employing journeyman on ridiculous wages at the expense of players that would give their right arm to have the privilege of representing the shirt. Widdrington is the architect of this s***e and needs booting out with the crap he has recruited. Don't agree with this at all. The players we had before Garner were doing just fine - no lack of effort and I don't think it was them that drove DC and GC round the bend - much more likely the politics and lunacy coming from the board in the case of the former, and the lack of respect and affection from us supporters in the case of the latter. What sort of manager insists on a total clear out of players from a team that was in 4th and on a great run of form before he arrives and then only win 1 in 18 after he tries changing everything. Garner is the real problem here - he'd be out of his depth in a puddle. Who are the journeymen on massive wages? Th only one I can think of is Bennett who I agree is truly woeful and definitely needs moving on at the earliest opportunity. The rest have either been OK at least (and very good in the case of Tony Craig). We also have a number of young players like Menayese and Kilgour who have been decent, and a number of promising new ones who haven't yet had much chance to show what they can do. I'm not sure why Widdrington gets stick too. Presumably he was involved in the likes of Jaakola, JCH, Hare, Tom Davies and Ogogo - none of whom have been terrible in my opinion “The players we had before Garner were doing just fine‘. I think Leahy and Upson have been crap all season. And Little. And the Dutch goalie. Meanwhile that tall centre back from covi has been a big miss. im going to throw a hand grenade into this discussion. The performances have fallen apart since you know who was bombed out side and sent to Cheltenham and not replaced in the number 10 role by Josh Barrel. Our team is playing without a hook joining deep sitting midfield 3 to the forward 2 or 3. The lack of number 10 is probably the main thing wrong here. I think there’s clear enough hints from Little Ben the barrel has not been training well enough to earn place in team |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 8, 2020 9:51:19 GMT
“The players we had before Garner were doing just fine‘. I think Leahy and Upson have been crap all season.
Hey, Emperor:
I tend to disagree about Upson.
In GC this season on the other forum, Upson was outfield m o m voted by fans the most and his scores voted by fans was the highest.
He was discovering a bit of form. With the rearranged formation, that suited him, he looked a refreshed player especially when Ollie was injured/suspended.
Things have changed now.
Leahy I tend to agree with, and it's no coincidence that many goals emerge from his covering position....but then again our defence collectively look more vulnerable in last 18 matches than they did in previous 18.
But hey, it's all about opinions..
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 10:41:10 GMT
[quote timestamp="1583616440" source="/post/200067 Widdrington was the architect of the January window which was vaunted as the best window in the history of the club but once the hyperbole had died down it became apparent it was all bulls***- Barrett is so fat he can’t play, and we knew he was fat before that but Widdrington had to have him anyway. Harries is a headless chicken and a liability, Abraham isn’t even a footballer. Daly a self proclaimed wide player signed as a striker. If this is Widdrington’s attempt at trying to bring young players in to play “sexy football” then he is proving that he is almost as unfit for purpose as Garner. Our best signing of the window by all accounts was down to Wael’s contacts at Chelsea. Between the owner, the head scout and the manager we are in serious trouble if they are all allowed to collude over the close season to try and produce a team capable of staying up next season. Bit harsh imo to pass judgement on the new signings so soon. Agree Barrel looks well overweight but may in time prove to be worth a gamble. Presumably Benny has some say in who we sign too so may not all be down to Widdrington I think, only my opinion, that it is pretty obvious that BG had lost the dressing room and in a quick time. Yes, we may not have the best group but other managers have managed to get them to overachieve. This insistence on 4-3-3 is not suited to the players we have and midfield may as well have not existed playing this way. I am now lost for what else to say. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 10:47:58 GMT
“The players we had before Garner were doing just fine‘. I think Leahy and Upson have been crap all season. Hey, Emperor: I tend to disagree about Upson. In GC this season on the other forum, Upson was outfield m o m voted by fans the most and his scores voted by fans was the highest. He was discovering a bit of form. With the rearranged formation, that suited him, he looked a refreshed player especially when Ollie was injured/suspended. Things have changed now. Leahy I tend to agree with, and it's no coincidence that many goals emerge from his covering position....but then again our defence collectively look more vulnerable in last 18 matches than they did in previous 18. But hey, it's all about opinions.. Those same fans all agree though that we were in a false position all season. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 8, 2020 11:08:39 GMT
“The players we had before Garner were doing just fine‘. I think Leahy and Upson have been crap all season. Hey, Emperor: I tend to disagree about Upson. In GC this season on the other forum, Upson was outfield m o m voted by fans the most and his scores voted by fans was the highest. He was discovering a bit of form. With the rearranged formation, that suited him, he looked a refreshed player especially when Ollie was injured/suspended. Things have changed now. Leahy I tend to agree with, and it's no coincidence that many goals emerge from his covering position....but then again our defence collectively look more vulnerable in last 18 matches than they did in previous 18. But hey, it's all about opinions.. Those same fans all agree though that we were in a false position all season. Yes agreed. And they may be right. Given that there are two distinct positions in the season, which one would you rather be in? |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 8, 2020 11:15:54 GMT
He has managed to turn a team that was extremely difficult to beat, and who never gave up, into a team of no hopers, the whipping boys of League One, put it on your CV, take a bow, and then leave us Ben Garner.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 11:52:46 GMT
He has managed to turn a team that was extremely difficult to beat, and who never gave up, into a team of no hopers, the whipping boys of League One, put it on your CV, take a bow, and then leave us Ben Garner. I believe he now has the distinction of being the manager with the worst record. I guess the club historian would be able to confirm this. Honour is not just a word but it seems to be that way, nowadays. I think Ben should be big enough to know it’s time to go but I’m just dreaming as he seems oblivious to the harm that is being done. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 8, 2020 12:05:05 GMT
Wael - General Melchett, Starnes - Boldrick, Garner - Edmond 'cunning plan' 'b'adder, Gorringe - Captain Darling
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