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Post by Colyton Gas. on Feb 13, 2020 9:26:20 GMT
 Improved stadium delay announced.Just up the road from me.Have seen both them and Stoke improve their grounds out of of all proportion and neither City remotely compares to Bristol. |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Feb 13, 2020 9:28:27 GMT
 This is Molineux when I first moved here. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 19:10:47 GMT
Improved stadium delay announced.Just up the road from me.Have seen both them and Stoke improve their grounds out of of all proportion and neither City remotely compares to Bristol. That's the thing isn't it, the £72m that Lansdown has written off will be a drop in the ocean when they get into the PL, which they will do in the next few years. Their stadium won't be big enough, his little sporting empire will go from strength to strength, and we'll still have rented tents and a scoreboard that doesn't work if it rains. Bristol is a wealthy and growing place, why is it that dumps like Swansea, Bournemouth, Wolverhampton, Burnley, Leicester can all get their act together, but we can't? |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 19, 2020 20:55:18 GMT
Improved stadium delay announced.Just up the road from me.Have seen both them and Stoke improve their grounds out of of all proportion and neither City remotely compares to Bristol. That's the thing isn't it, the £72m that Lansdown has written off will be a drop in the ocean when they get into the PL, which they will do in the next few years. Their stadium won't be big enough, his little sporting empire will go from strength to strength, and we'll still have rented tents and a scoreboard that doesn't work if it rains. Bristol is a wealthy and growing place, why is it that dumps like Swansea, Bournemouth, Wolverhampton, Burnley, Leicester can all get their act together, but we can't? Agree with much of that but am sure that it doesn’t matter that the “dumps” you mention are dumps. They were able to do what they’ve done because a local businessman/ wealthy local boy was persuaded to take on the ownership who had emotional ties to the club and was able to propel them into the PL by themselves or with contacts they make. We have had well-meaning owners at times but no one with the wealth to be able to do what those clubs you mentioned have done. When we thought we did have those wealthy owners they have turned out to be either not so wealthy or felt unable to do what was financially necessary to propel us forward. Have said many times until Rovers are able to “persuade” a local, wealthy businessman with an emotional tie to us to take us on we’ll be our usual rag-bag Rovers. Pretty certain it’s not about whether we’re a “dump” or not. ps. And having lived in the Bournemouth area for over 40 years, Bournemouth may be many things but it’s not a “dump.” Fantastic area for all sorts. 😉 UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 21:07:07 GMT
That's the thing isn't it, the £72m that Lansdown has written off will be a drop in the ocean when they get into the PL, which they will do in the next few years. Their stadium won't be big enough, his little sporting empire will go from strength to strength, and we'll still have rented tents and a scoreboard that doesn't work if it rains. Bristol is a wealthy and growing place, why is it that dumps like Swansea, Bournemouth, Wolverhampton, Burnley, Leicester can all get their act together, but we can't? Agree with much of that but am sure that it doesn’t matter that the “dumps” you mention are dumps. They were able to do what they’ve done because a local businessman/ wealthy local boy was persuaded to take on the ownership who had emotional ties to the club and was able to propel them into the PL by themselves or with contacts they make. We have had well-meaning owners at times but no one with the wealth to be able to do what those clubs you mentioned have done. When we thought we did have those wealthy owners they have turned out to be either not so wealthy or felt unable to do what was financially necessary to propel us forward. Have said many times until Rovers are able to “persuade” a local, wealthy businessman with an emotional tie to us to take us on we’ll be our usual rag-bag Rovers. Pretty certain it’s not about whether we’re a “dump” or not. ps. And having lived in the Bournemouth area for over 40 years, Bournemouth may be many things but it’s not a “dump.” Fantastic area for all sorts. 😉 UTG! Where to start with that. Bournemouth is indeed a dump, with a huge homelessness and drug problem totally disproportionate to the size of the population. But it's Monaco compared to Leicester, that has become a truly horrible place in recent years. Those clubs I listed have achieved their success due to various circumstances, Swansea's stadium is a big help to them, Bournemouth having a Russian who disregards FFP and get's a fine that's tiny compared to what the club gained by buying their way in to the PL has obviously helped them along. |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 19, 2020 22:28:23 GMT
Indeed BG, where to start with that...
Making the criteria of what makes a dump “homelessness” would make nearly every town in this country a dump as all towns have the homeless unfortunately and the numbers are rarely accurate so it’s a strange one to use as a guide to making a “dump”. Yes Bournemouth does have a drug problem like any town or city just as Bristol does and like any coastal town it may well be out of proportion to its size. But look at the various studies on coastal towns and the drug problems are usually larger than non-coastal towns.
In the end it’s all about opinions and yours is Bournemouth is a dump. Mine, based on 40 years living in the area is that it isn’t. Others can make up their own minds.
As for the FFP with AFCB, eh? Yes you are right but that wasn’t part of your original argument about Bournemouth being a dump. You said “why is it that dumps like.....Bournemouth can all get their acts together, but we can’t.” Tends to imply that by breaking the FFP you consider it to be getting “their act together.” Strange argument.
Oh well I’ll leave it there and by the way agreed with you over the majority of your opening post. Just felt calling other places a “dump” was sweeping and disrespectful.
UTG!
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 20, 2020 10:27:41 GMT
Indeed BG, where to start with that... Making the criteria of what makes a dump “homelessness” would make nearly every town in this country a dump as all towns have the homeless unfortunately and the numbers are rarely accurate so it’s a strange one to use as a guide to making a “dump”. Yes Bournemouth does have a drug problem like any town or city just as Bristol does and like any coastal town it may well be out of proportion to its size. But look at the various studies on coastal towns and the drug problems are usually larger than non-coastal towns. In the end it’s all about opinions and yours is Bournemouth is a dump. Mine, based on 40 years living in the area is that it isn’t. Others can make up their own minds. As for the FFP with AFCB, eh? Yes you are right but that wasn’t part of your original argument about Bournemouth being a dump. You said “why is it that dumps like.....Bournemouth can all get their acts together, but we can’t.” Tends to imply that by breaking the FFP you consider it to be getting “their act together.” Strange argument. Oh well I’ll leave it there and by the way agreed with you over the majority of your opening post. Just felt calling other places a “dump” was sweeping and disrespectful. UTG! Bournemouth is very obviously not a dump. I know it's largely subjective - but I'm sure there are some stats out there to back it up. Lovely beach, the New Forest on your doorstep, what's not to like. Still in very high demand for the retirement generation. There's probably a reason for that. As for calling anywhere a dump - yes, it's as disrespectful and rude as the moronic chant "I want to go home, I want to go home, **** towns a sh*thole, I want to go home". |
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Post by irishrover on Feb 20, 2020 17:05:45 GMT
Part of the reason that fairly economically deprived places have still been able to develop football stadiums is because they are economically deprived. Land is cheaper, authorities and local businesses recognise that the football club is one of the few positive economic and community resources they have in their area and develop clear partnerships that have mutual benefit etc. In Bristol we know land is expensive, there's more competition for its use and authorities have multiple options. Even Lansdowne with all his riches and influence ultimately had to settle for plan c and stay at Ashton Gate and the arena has taken forever to materialise.
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Post by Rex on Feb 21, 2020 21:25:56 GMT
Agree with much of that but am sure that it doesn’t matter that the “dumps” you mention are dumps. They were able to do what they’ve done because a local businessman/ wealthy local boy was persuaded to take on the ownership who had emotional ties to the club and was able to propel them into the PL by themselves or with contacts they make. We have had well-meaning owners at times but no one with the wealth to be able to do what those clubs you mentioned have done. When we thought we did have those wealthy owners they have turned out to be either not so wealthy or felt unable to do what was financially necessary to propel us forward. Have said many times until Rovers are able to “persuade” a local, wealthy businessman with an emotional tie to us to take us on we’ll be our usual rag-bag Rovers. Pretty certain it’s not about whether we’re a “dump” or not. ps. And having lived in the Bournemouth area for over 40 years, Bournemouth may be many things but it’s not a “dump.” Fantastic area for all sorts. 😉 UTG! Where to start with that. Bournemouth is indeed a dump, with a huge homelessness and drug problem totally disproportionate to the size of the population. But it's Monaco compared to Leicester, that has become a truly horrible place in recent years. Those clubs I listed have achieved their success due to various circumstances, Swansea's stadium is a big help to them, Bournemouth having a Russian who disregards FFP and get's a fine that's tiny compared to what the club gained by buying their way in to the PL has obviously helped them along. Where do you live ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 22:14:04 GMT
Where to start with that. Bournemouth is indeed a dump, with a huge homelessness and drug problem totally disproportionate to the size of the population. But it's Monaco compared to Leicester, that has become a truly horrible place in recent years. Those clubs I listed have achieved their success due to various circumstances, Swansea's stadium is a big help to them, Bournemouth having a Russian who disregards FFP and get's a fine that's tiny compared to what the club gained by buying their way in to the PL has obviously helped them along. Where do you live ?Different places at different times. But I have an interest in a small business in Bournemouth, so know it and its problems well. It's about 15 miles from Wareham  I'm sure epping will be along in a moment with his first hand testimony regarding what a squalid place Bournemouth is and how he, like me, has had to move away from welcoming retail customers to a business and go wholly on line due to continual opportunistic drug related crime. Or maybe he thinks forming that opinion, based on first hand experience, is somehow 'disrespectful and rude'. Perhaps he should pop down to Springbourne and offer hugs to hoodies. |
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Post by Rex on Feb 22, 2020 6:42:24 GMT
Different places at different times. But I have an interest in a small business in Bournemouth, so know it and its problems well. It's about 15 miles from Wareham I'm sure epping will be along in a moment with his first hand testimony regarding what a squalid place Bournemouth is and how he, like me, has had to move away from welcoming retail customers to a business and go wholly on line due to continual opportunistic drug related crime. Or maybe he thinks forming that opinion, based on first hand experience, is somehow 'disrespectful and rude'. Perhaps he should pop down to Springbourne and offer hugs to hoodies. As others have said, you would be very hard pushed to find any area of the UK that doesn't suffer from drug related crime, from hoodies in Springbourne nicking stuff from shops, to suited coke heads in the financial sector misappropriating the savings of hard working people from all walks of life to fund their habits. I travel all over the UK with work including Bournemouth, which on the whole, is most definitely rather a nice place. For every Clifton there is a Hartcliffe, it doesn't make anywhere a 's**thole', and I'd argue that both kinds of places have their pros and cons. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 10:15:22 GMT
Different places at different times. But I have an interest in a small business in Bournemouth, so know it and its problems well. It's about 15 miles from Wareham I'm sure epping will be along in a moment with his first hand testimony regarding what a squalid place Bournemouth is and how he, like me, has had to move away from welcoming retail customers to a business and go wholly on line due to continual opportunistic drug related crime. Or maybe he thinks forming that opinion, based on first hand experience, is somehow 'disrespectful and rude'. Perhaps he should pop down to Springbourne and offer hugs to hoodies. As others have said, you would be very hard pushed to find any area of the UK that doesn't suffer from drug related crime, from hoodies in Springbourne nicking stuff from shops, to suited coke heads in the financial sector misappropriating the savings of hard working people from all walks of life to fund their habits. I travel all over the UK with work including Bournemouth, which on the whole, is most definitely rather a nice place. For every Clifton there is a Hartcliffe, it doesn't make anywhere a 's***hole', and I'd argue that both kinds of places have their pros and cons. You are making the whole of the country sound rather unpleasant. Bristol is pretty bad, in Bristol at one of my businesses I've been maced, attacked with a machete during a robbery, had a ram raid, been stabbed and more petty theft than I can remember, but Bournemouth is worse. Sorry if my real life experience top trumps your anecdotal opinion supported by a superficial knowledge of Bournemouth, which, to help you, I'll repeat, is roughly 13 miles from Wareham.. |
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Post by Rex on Feb 22, 2020 10:18:37 GMT
As others have said, you would be very hard pushed to find any area of the UK that doesn't suffer from drug related crime, from hoodies in Springbourne nicking stuff from shops, to suited coke heads in the financial sector misappropriating the savings of hard working people from all walks of life to fund their habits. I travel all over the UK with work including Bournemouth, which on the whole, is most definitely rather a nice place. For every Clifton there is a Hartcliffe, it doesn't make anywhere a 's***hole', and I'd argue that both kinds of places have their pros and cons. You are making the whole of the country sound rather unpleasant. Bristol is pretty bad, in Bristol at one of my businesses I've been maced, attacked with a machete during a robbery, had a ram raid, been stabbed and more petty theft than I can remember, but Bournemouth is worse. Sorry if my real life experience top trumps your anecdotal opinion supported by a superficial knowledge of Bournemouth, which, to help you, I'll repeat, is roughly 13 miles from Wareham.. Bambi, you know nothing of my real life experience, some may even go as far to say you know nothing about an awful lot of things |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 10:38:58 GMT
You are making the whole of the country sound rather unpleasant. Bristol is pretty bad, in Bristol at one of my businesses I've been maced, attacked with a machete during a robbery, had a ram raid, been stabbed and more petty theft than I can remember, but Bournemouth is worse. Sorry if my real life experience top trumps your anecdotal opinion supported by a superficial knowledge of Bournemouth, which, to help you, I'll repeat, is roughly 13 miles from Wareham.. Bambi, you know nothing of my real life experience, some may even go as far to say you know nothing about an awful lot of things I think I've worked this out, you are from Glasgow, and those things I listed are just a quiet Tuesday afternoon in a shop in Royston? In which case I bow to not only your superior knowledge, but also your survival instincts. |
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Improved stadium delay announced.Just up the road from me.Have seen both them and Stoke improve their grounds out of of all proportion and neither City remotely compares to Bristol.
