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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 13:43:34 GMT
He's saying that he thinks that Wael would oppose him being appointed as SC Director if you are talking about ITB I read it as him saying that the existing SC leadership ('Chairman' = Jim Chappell I think) wouldn't have him as their preferred colleague, nowt to do with Wael ('President') Oh, maybe you are right, sorry if I have it wrong, will read it again. Thanks for that. Edit. OK, I think you are right, he said that the Chairman wouldn't want him elected. I thought that Wael is/was Chairman of the FC, but you are right, Wael's title was President. Looks like it's me being dim, not the first time, certainly won't be the last. Thanks for the clarification
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 1, 2020 15:36:29 GMT
The idea was put to Taylor Wessing, the clubs legal team and it was advised it wasn't done. I didn't actively pursue the reasons why and admittedly at the time, it was around the KM shenanigans so perhaps that had something to do with it. Either way a different avenue has opened up which already has a goodish structure in terms of people who want to be involved, volunteers etc, it just needs modernising, energising and changing to fit the current dynamic. Do I qualify in terms of being a director from a legal perspective do you mean? If so, yes I do. Im aware of the length of term of office, that's not what I meant however. What I meant was that at the moment there is no appointed fans director, there has been a change of ownership as well as changes to the finances, the shareholding has been diluted, and the relationship is in tatters. By lagging the procedure out means that any effective changes will only be benefitted from Season 21/22. The season is starting later, everyone has been locked down mostly with time on their hands, it would have been an ideal opportunity to call the AGM earlier, get everything done in the close season so we can start rebuilding everything sooner rather than later. As far as I'm aware, the SC is now registered at the Mem according to the website anyway. So let's get this straight, your primary, and therefore by definition preferred route was advised against but you didn't ask why. I can't see why you would initially pursue something that wasn't your optimum option. But OK then. No, my enquiry didn't relate to whether you were a 'fit and proper person', it related to your status within the existing SC. I didn't ask where the SC was registered, I was making the point that they appear incapable of keeping information up to date. I did ask whether the information on their Share Scheme pages relating to the FC was accurate though. Now I'm totally confused. You said earlier that a SC V2 was problematic, now you are claiming that planning for it is at an advanced stage? It was my primary proposal was to start afresh, that was mainly because prior to, and during the Masters episode, it was clear the relationship between FC and SC was broken beyond repair and I couldn’t see how the SC had any credit in the bank with the club or the fans, at least that was what the comments on the forum were saying. Let’s also be clear, the SC as an organisation does some very positive things, the people who volunteer do so too, not to further their own interests either, but for the good of the football club and they have been tarred with the same brush rather unfairly. That’s something I have said all along, and throughout the whole sorry saga that involved the SC and eventually the PC, it was only a select few who had their opinion, which was then preached via the countless “statements” on behalf of the whole SC club, which was clearly to suit their own interests and agenda, and some were a touch far fetched too. So when you stand back and look at the SC as a whole, yes it needs changing, yes it’s broken in places, and yes much work needs to be done to make it more relevant to the current fanbase and climate, but it’s not beyond repair. It just needs some leadership, impetus and fresh ideas. So much has happened since then, Masters has gone, well, his influence has gone from the board, the club has offered an olive branch to the SC so that’s given a potential to work with and the people within that supporters club who have worked hard deserve the opportunity to be a part of rebuilding something. So whilst plan a was to create something new, plan b seems like a much more productive option right now which can achieve results a fair bit quicker. I believe the SC fans director is not associated with being a Share Scheme Director, Jim Chappell might know more. Unfortunately trying to communicate to the SC to find out any information on the role is difficult and as you highlight, this is part of the problem that needs addressing. I’m not sure what you mean by your last comment.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 1, 2020 15:41:40 GMT
if you are talking about ITB I read it as him saying that the existing SC leadership ('Chairman' = Jim Chappell I think) wouldn't have him as their preferred colleague, nowt to do with Wael ('President') Oh, maybe you are right, sorry if I have it wrong, will read it again. Thanks for that. Edit. OK, I think you are right, he said that the Chairman wouldn't want him elected. I thought that Wael is/was Chairman of the FC, but you are right, Wael's title was President. Looks like it's me being dim, not the first time, certainly won't be the last. Thanks for the clarification The reason I said this is because I have been highly critical of the the SCs behaviour over the past 18 months, or rather the people at the helm of it, and word on the grapevine is that I’m not held in very high regard by them, which I can probably understand. I also wrote JC an email explaining why I aired my opinion in the way I did, but I also offered to help him change and improve the club, which was long before the SC Director position was announced, but he didn’t even acknowledge my email let alone respond to it. So I’m assuming that what I’ve heard is true, which is possibly why he wouldn’t want me in the directors seat. Either way I’m pretty sure we could talk it out. He’s done very good things as chairman of the SC when no one else wanted to. I feel he got caught in a bit of a vacuum which made it impossible to reverse and as a result backed the wrong horse. I’d love to find out his real opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 16:32:56 GMT
So let's get this straight, your primary, and therefore by definition preferred route was advised against but you didn't ask why. I can't see why you would initially pursue something that wasn't your optimum option. But OK then. No, my enquiry didn't relate to whether you were a 'fit and proper person', it related to your status within the existing SC. I didn't ask where the SC was registered, I was making the point that they appear incapable of keeping information up to date. I did ask whether the information on their Share Scheme pages relating to the FC was accurate though. Now I'm totally confused. You said earlier that a SC V2 was problematic, now you are claiming that planning for it is at an advanced stage? It was my primary proposal was to start afresh, that was mainly because prior to, and during the Masters episode, it was clear the relationship between FC and SC was broken beyond repair and I couldn’t see how the SC had any credit in the bank with the club or the fans, at least that was what the comments on the forum were saying. Let’s also be clear, the SC as an organisation does some very positive things, the people who volunteer do so too, not to further their own interests either, but for the good of the football club and they have been tarred with the same brush rather unfairly. That’s something I have said all along, and throughout the whole sorry saga that involved the SC and eventually the PC, it was only a select few who had their opinion, which was then preached via the countless “statements” on behalf of the whole SC club, which was clearly to suit their own interests and agenda, and some were a touch far fetched too. So when you stand back and look at the SC as a whole, yes it needs changing, yes it’s broken in places, and yes much work needs to be done to make it more relevant to the current fanbase and climate, but it’s not beyond repair. It just needs some leadership, impetus and fresh ideas. So much has happened since then, Masters has gone, well, his influence has gone from the board, the club has offered an olive branch to the SC so that’s given a potential to work with and the people within that supporters club who have worked hard deserve the opportunity to be a part of rebuilding something. So whilst plan a was to create something new, plan b seems like a much more productive option right now which can achieve results a fair bit quicker. I believe the SC fans director is not associated with being a Share Scheme Director, Jim Chappell might know more. Unfortunately trying to communicate to the SC to find out any information on the role is difficult and as you highlight, this is part of the problem that needs addressing. I’m not sure what you mean by your last comment. There are no board positions associated with the SC other than those attached to the Share Scheme. You haven't done any proper research at all, have you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 16:42:16 GMT
Oh, maybe you are right, sorry if I have it wrong, will read it again. Thanks for that. Edit. OK, I think you are right, he said that the Chairman wouldn't want him elected. I thought that Wael is/was Chairman of the FC, but you are right, Wael's title was President. Looks like it's me being dim, not the first time, certainly won't be the last. Thanks for the clarification The reason I said this is because I have been highly critical of the the SCs behaviour over the past 18 months, or rather the people at the helm of it, and word on the grapevine is that I’m not held in very high regard by them, which I can probably understand. I also wrote JC an email explaining why I aired my opinion in the way I did, but I also offered to help him change and improve the club, which was long before the SC Director position was announced, but he didn’t even acknowledge my email let alone respond to it. So I’m assuming that what I’ve heard is true, which is possibly why he wouldn’t want me in the directors seat. Either way I’m pretty sure we could talk it out. He’s done very good things as chairman of the SC when no one else wanted to. I feel he got caught in a bit of a vacuum which made it impossible to reverse and as a result backed the wrong horse. I’d love to find out his real opinion. Jim has 1 vote, the same as everybody else. He may attempt to mobilise his 'Old Guard' to vote against a candidate that he didn't favour, but with a postal ballot that almost certainly wouldn't decide the outcome. Stand on your own platform, let those eligible to vote make their decision. Once you win there's very little that Jim can do about it. And to be fair to him, I have no reason to even suspect that he wouldn't respect the result of the ballot. But you have some research to do, there will be difficult questions asked, there are people around who know the system and the SC/SS history inside out, there could be choppy waters ahead.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 1, 2020 16:50:09 GMT
The reason I said this is because I have been highly critical of the the SCs behaviour over the past 18 months, or rather the people at the helm of it, and word on the grapevine is that I’m not held in very high regard by them, which I can probably understand. I also wrote JC an email explaining why I aired my opinion in the way I did, but I also offered to help him change and improve the club, which was long before the SC Director position was announced, but he didn’t even acknowledge my email let alone respond to it. So I’m assuming that what I’ve heard is true, which is possibly why he wouldn’t want me in the directors seat. Either way I’m pretty sure we could talk it out. He’s done very good things as chairman of the SC when no one else wanted to. I feel he got caught in a bit of a vacuum which made it impossible to reverse and as a result backed the wrong horse. I’d love to find out his real opinion. Jim has 1 vote, the same as everybody else. He may attempt to mobilise his 'Old Guard' to vote against a candidate that he didn't favour, but with a postal ballot that almost certainly wouldn't decide the outcome. Stand on your own platform, let those eligible to vote make their decision. Once you win there's very little that Jim can do about it. And to be fair to him, I have no reason to even suspect that he wouldn't respect the result of the ballot. But you have some research to do, there will be difficult questions asked, there are people around who know the system and the SC/SS history inside out, there could be choppy waters ahead. I don't know ITB, but one thing I've learned from what he posts on here is that he's not afraid of going to find a few facts, nor dealing with a few nonsense-spouting time-wasters along the way
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 16:55:25 GMT
Jim has 1 vote, the same as everybody else. He may attempt to mobilise his 'Old Guard' to vote against a candidate that he didn't favour, but with a postal ballot that almost certainly wouldn't decide the outcome. Stand on your own platform, let those eligible to vote make their decision. Once you win there's very little that Jim can do about it. And to be fair to him, I have no reason to even suspect that he wouldn't respect the result of the ballot. But you have some research to do, there will be difficult questions asked, there are people around who know the system and the SC/SS history inside out, there could be choppy waters ahead. I don't know ITB, but one thing I've learned from what he posts on here is that he's not afraid of going to find a few facts, nor dealing with a few nonsense-spouting time-wasters along the way Maybe, but he's put himself forward for Share Scheme Director, seemingly without knowing how many board positions the SC are allowed or on what basis, so it's not exactly the best of starts, is it.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 1, 2020 16:58:06 GMT
It was my primary proposal was to start afresh, that was mainly because prior to, and during the Masters episode, it was clear the relationship between FC and SC was broken beyond repair and I couldn’t see how the SC had any credit in the bank with the club or the fans, at least that was what the comments on the forum were saying. Let’s also be clear, the SC as an organisation does some very positive things, the people who volunteer do so too, not to further their own interests either, but for the good of the football club and they have been tarred with the same brush rather unfairly. That’s something I have said all along, and throughout the whole sorry saga that involved the SC and eventually the PC, it was only a select few who had their opinion, which was then preached via the countless “statements” on behalf of the whole SC club, which was clearly to suit their own interests and agenda, and some were a touch far fetched too. So when you stand back and look at the SC as a whole, yes it needs changing, yes it’s broken in places, and yes much work needs to be done to make it more relevant to the current fanbase and climate, but it’s not beyond repair. It just needs some leadership, impetus and fresh ideas. So much has happened since then, Masters has gone, well, his influence has gone from the board, the club has offered an olive branch to the SC so that’s given a potential to work with and the people within that supporters club who have worked hard deserve the opportunity to be a part of rebuilding something. So whilst plan a was to create something new, plan b seems like a much more productive option right now which can achieve results a fair bit quicker. I believe the SC fans director is not associated with being a Share Scheme Director, Jim Chappell might know more. Unfortunately trying to communicate to the SC to find out any information on the role is difficult and as you highlight, this is part of the problem that needs addressing. I’m not sure what you mean by your last comment. There are no board positions associated with the SC other than those attached to the Share Scheme. You haven't done any proper research at all, have you. I don’t know everything there is to know and thank you for that piece of information, but that’s not been for the want of trying. On the form for being nominated there is little about the role itself, just the nomination papers. As I have said, trying to form some communication to find out all the ins and outs is very difficult. I’ve only just received an email confirming my name on the ballot paper today, and I imagine that was only after I posted what I did here yesterday that someone read it, or jigged the memory of the secretary. And when the person who does know everything, eg, the chairman, doesn’t acknowledge or reply to an email, what chance has anyone got? Quite frankly, If it wasn’t such a white collar closed shop it might be a little more easier to get the right people in the right roles and for someone at the top to conduct it in an orderly manner. Anyone that wants to get involved at the sharp end who is under the age of 40 (myself included, just at 39) won’t know all about what there is to know in the last 10 years as at late 20s I was only interested in going to games. So you do need a little more information and guidance from the people that do, but if they’re not willing to do so, or just to scoff and make flippant remarks like you do, then there will never be any progress no matter who is in charge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 17:25:50 GMT
There are no board positions associated with the SC other than those attached to the Share Scheme. You haven't done any proper research at all, have you. I don’t know everything there is to know and thank you for that piece of information, but that’s not been for the want of trying. On the form for being nominated there is little about the role itself, just the nomination papers. As I have said, trying to form some communication to find out all the ins and outs is very difficult. I’ve only just received an email confirming my name on the ballot paper today, and I imagine that was only after I posted what I did here yesterday that someone read it, or jigged the memory of the secretary. And when the person who does know everything, eg, the chairman, doesn’t acknowledge or reply to an email, what chance has anyone got? Quite frankly, If it wasn’t such a white collar closed shop it might be a little more easier to get the right people in the right roles and for someone at the top to conduct it in an orderly manner. Anyone that wants to get involved at the sharp end who is under the age of 40 (myself included, just at 39) won’t know all about what there is to know in the last 10 years as at late 20s I was only interested in going to games. So you do need a little more information and guidance from the people that do, but if they’re not willing to do so, or just to scoff and make flippant remarks like you do, then there will never be any progress no matter who is in charge. My best advice, and I have no idea if he would think you were the right Man doing this for the right reasons, but contact John Malyckyj. He has an encyclopaedic knowledge of both the history of the SC, their procedure, and he knows all of the characters involved. The only thing is, John has lived this life already, whether he would have the time / energy / enthusiasm to even spend half an hour giving you background information, I honestly don't know. He may well just say that he's moved on and doesn't want to re-visit that part of his life. But if he did tell you something, it would be absolutely straight down the middle, no hidden meanings, no agenda.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 1, 2020 19:59:51 GMT
I don't know ITB, but one thing I've learned from what he posts on here is that he's not afraid of going to find a few facts, nor dealing with a few nonsense-spouting time-wasters along the way Maybe, but he's put himself forward for Share Scheme Director, seemingly without knowing how many board positions the SC are allowed or on what basis, so it's not exactly the best of starts, is it. I feel there maybe slight semantics in your posting. I put myself forward for what the supporters club call “Supporters Club elected Director of Bristol Rovers Football Club” whether that’s the same as the share scheme director, that isn’t clear within the notice of the AGM. Or it’s totally different, or your splitting hairs, you tell me. Either way I’ve applied for the role that was previously held by KM. If that incorporates looking after the share scheme then once I look at what it takes, I’m sure I’ll work it out. I’ve had steeper learning curves in all walks of business.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 1, 2020 20:03:35 GMT
I don’t know everything there is to know and thank you for that piece of information, but that’s not been for the want of trying. On the form for being nominated there is little about the role itself, just the nomination papers. As I have said, trying to form some communication to find out all the ins and outs is very difficult. I’ve only just received an email confirming my name on the ballot paper today, and I imagine that was only after I posted what I did here yesterday that someone read it, or jigged the memory of the secretary. And when the person who does know everything, eg, the chairman, doesn’t acknowledge or reply to an email, what chance has anyone got? Quite frankly, If it wasn’t such a white collar closed shop it might be a little more easier to get the right people in the right roles and for someone at the top to conduct it in an orderly manner. Anyone that wants to get involved at the sharp end who is under the age of 40 (myself included, just at 39) won’t know all about what there is to know in the last 10 years as at late 20s I was only interested in going to games. So you do need a little more information and guidance from the people that do, but if they’re not willing to do so, or just to scoff and make flippant remarks like you do, then there will never be any progress no matter who is in charge. My best advice, and I have no idea if he would think you were the right Man doing this for the right reasons, but contact John Malyckyj. He has an encyclopaedic knowledge of both the history of the SC, their procedure, and he knows all of the characters involved. The only thing is, John has lived this life already, whether he would have the time / energy / enthusiasm to even spend half an hour giving you background information, I honestly don't know. He may well just say that he's moved on and doesn't want to re-visit that part of his life. But if he did tell you something, it would be absolutely straight down the middle, no hidden meanings, no agenda. I’ve already had a brief DM with JM already about 3 months ago and very helpful he was too. You’re right about him not wanting to get involved but he was happy to lend him view and opinion on things, all of which I hope to speak to him more about. Sadly that was smack before covid hit when business took a nose and I had to give more than the usual attention to that so I’ve not followed all of it up but I very much intend to. I’ve also spoken to someone else who was also very on the inside but no longer at the club who gave me a surprising insight into somethings. I won’t divulge anymore or who it is but it certainly made me question what I was doing.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 1, 2020 20:09:36 GMT
Jim has 1 vote, the same as everybody else. He may attempt to mobilise his 'Old Guard' to vote against a candidate that he didn't favour, but with a postal ballot that almost certainly wouldn't decide the outcome. Stand on your own platform, let those eligible to vote make their decision. Once you win there's very little that Jim can do about it. And to be fair to him, I have no reason to even suspect that he wouldn't respect the result of the ballot. But you have some research to do, there will be difficult questions asked, there are people around who know the system and the SC/SS history inside out, there could be choppy waters ahead. I don't know ITB, but one thing I've learned from what he posts on here is that he's not afraid of going to find a few facts, nor dealing with a few nonsense-spouting time-wasters along the way One thing I have a nose for is lies and BS. Always have done and it’s served me fairly well through the years. I’ve never been afraid to call people out on them either. It’s often gotten me in trouble, made me unpopular with a majority or even cost me something. But it’s rare I’m proven incorrect. There was a comment on here a while back that I would come on here and gloat with the demise of Knowall, masters and his cronies. I didn’t, I didn’t need to, I just called out the nonsense and stuck to what I knew to factually true and accurate and was glad that wael stood behind what he told me personally he would do. .
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 1, 2020 20:12:11 GMT
For all of some folks kind ways or doing things for the right reasons, it can be so easily undone by treachery around them.
It's sometimes a poison chalice we inadvertently end up acquiring, no matter what we seek.
Good luck, ITB..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 20:13:54 GMT
Maybe, but he's put himself forward for Share Scheme Director, seemingly without knowing how many board positions the SC are allowed or on what basis, so it's not exactly the best of starts, is it. I feel there maybe slight semantics in your posting. I put myself forward for what the supporters club call “Supporters Club elected Director of Bristol Rovers Football Club” whether that’s the same as the share scheme director, that isn’t clear within the notice of the AGM. Or it’s totally different, or your splitting hairs, you tell me. Either way I’ve applied for the role that was previously held by KM. If that incorporates looking after the share scheme then once I look at what it takes, I’m sure I’ll work it out. I’ve had steeper learning curves in all walks of business. Not being funny, but you've just confirmed how little you know of the SC / SS structure. This may seem as if I'm flaming / Trolling you a bit here, but I can promise you this, when you get to the hustings stage, whether that happens in person or via Zoom or similar, unless you have a better knowledge of things than this you'll get torn to shreds by people within the SC who oppose you. Good luck. BTW, I have zero contact with anybody within the SC at present, so this isn't a threat and I don't oppose you standing in any way, but you are going to have to be a bit careful or it could end in a PR disaster.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 1, 2020 22:29:19 GMT
I feel there maybe slight semantics in your posting. I put myself forward for what the supporters club call “Supporters Club elected Director of Bristol Rovers Football Club” whether that’s the same as the share scheme director, that isn’t clear within the notice of the AGM. Or it’s totally different, or your splitting hairs, you tell me. Either way I’ve applied for the role that was previously held by KM. If that incorporates looking after the share scheme then once I look at what it takes, I’m sure I’ll work it out. I’ve had steeper learning curves in all walks of business. Not being funny, but you've just confirmed how little you know of the SC / SS structure. This may seem as if I'm flaming / Trolling you a bit here, but I can promise you this, when you get to the hustings stage, whether that happens in person or via Zoom or similar, unless you have a better knowledge of things than this you'll get torn to shreds by people within the SC who oppose you. Good luck. BTW, I have zero contact with anybody within the SC at present, so this isn't a threat and I don't oppose you standing in any way, but you are going to have to be a bit careful or it could end in a PR disaster. Bamber, I wish I could sit with someone over a coffee or zoom and have an hour of their time to find out what I need to know from someone with a degree of influence. In some scores to know the inner workings of the club is like looking at the inner workings of a business. In essence, you can only do that when you’re in and looking at facts, figures, rules by which the company has previously played by etc. In fact the SC should have people in place to look after such things already. The role of the director shouldn’t be to memorise history of past rulership or set up for fear of losing some face in some hustings, the detailed ins and outs can be worked out once in the role. The applying candidate should be able to demonstrate what they plan to do to build its future alongside the football club from this point going forward. Knowing how many people are in the SS, how much they put in, why, and how it’s now longer as valuable is really, a bit moot. What the role requires firstly is to make sure people are doing each job properly and maximising their role, and if they’re not, finding out why, improving them, giving them help or additional resources within a set budget of expenditure, or creating that expenditure from somewhere. If something is too much for one person, actively seek other members who can help. Given the way remote working has been utilised by every business worldwide, it should make volunteering easier if one has internet access and am operable laptop or pad. The successful FD should be looking at dynamically improving the subscription, specifically targeting groups of people that have not and probably will not subscribe, looking at diversity, events, additional incomes, sponsorship, business relationships, improving social media communication across Facebook, instagram, TikTok and google (yes google, it has little to no ranking presence currently) and building an interactive fan app that can work in conjunction with matchday events for things like man of the match, in match play competitions, offers and fun experiences for kids. One of the key targets should be looking at the female fanbase and widening that, expanding on the work it has done with gasgirls to involve the youngest female fan that comes to a game. The focus should also be on lowering the age subscription to the SC. At the last AGM there wasn’t one person there under the age of 50 I don’t think and the majority of opinion came from people from the halcyon days of Dunford and Co where a paperclip and shoelace was used to fix everything. Today I learned that one of the reasons an AGM hasn’t been done is because some some have the inability to access the Internet (my assumption would be that this would be age related that they don’t need it so won’t pay for it...) now of course you don’t want anyone to feel left out, but by the same token you cannot stand still, if every business took that approach in March the world would have been bankrupt in days. If the total number of people that can’t access is 10% or less than the subscribed membership then it’s a pointless position and poor excuse for not cracking on and getting down to business. It’s that exact viewpoint and attitude that has seen the SC in its current guise spiral into irrelevance. It’s just not proactive enough. Now I have a list of things, some of which I have mentioned, and others I haven’t that are such obvious things to start up that with a bit of proactivity, help from others and a bit of passion we can zoom the SC into the 21st century and make it more relevant to everyone. The more that get involved, the greater the success will be all round. And it needs to start with all the nonsense from the past being left there. Whether you are trolling me or not, I can say I don’t know much about the inner workings of the SC, the SS or why there seems to be a reluctance to drag it forward. But I’m a quick learner with a bag of experience which the SC could benefit from. Whether it’s me or someone else that gets the gig, it needs to be done vastly differently from previous otherwise it will disappear into obscurity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 23:07:20 GMT
Not being funny, but you've just confirmed how little you know of the SC / SS structure. This may seem as if I'm flaming / Trolling you a bit here, but I can promise you this, when you get to the hustings stage, whether that happens in person or via Zoom or similar, unless you have a better knowledge of things than this you'll get torn to shreds by people within the SC who oppose you. Good luck. BTW, I have zero contact with anybody within the SC at present, so this isn't a threat and I don't oppose you standing in any way, but you are going to have to be a bit careful or it could end in a PR disaster. Bamber, I wish I could sit with someone over a coffee or zoom and have an hour of their time to find out what I need to know from someone with a degree of influence. In some scores to know the inner workings of the club is like looking at the inner workings of a business. In essence, you can only do that when you’re in and looking at facts, figures, rules by which the company has previously played by etc. In fact the SC should have people in place to look after such things already. The role of the director shouldn’t be to memorise history of past rulership or set up for fear of losing some face in some hustings, the detailed ins and outs can be worked out once in the role. The applying candidate should be able to demonstrate what they plan to do to build its future alongside the football club from this point going forward. Knowing how many people are in the SS, how much they put in, why, and how it’s now longer as valuable is really, a bit moot. What the role requires firstly is to make sure people are doing each job properly and maximising their role, and if they’re not, finding out why, improving them, giving them help or additional resources within a set budget of expenditure, or creating that expenditure from somewhere. If something is too much for one person, actively seek other members who can help. Given the way remote working has been utilised by every business worldwide, it should make volunteering easier if one has internet access and am operable laptop or pad. The successful FD should be looking at dynamically improving the subscription, specifically targeting groups of people that have not and probably will not subscribe, looking at diversity, events, additional incomes, sponsorship, business relationships, improving social media communication across Facebook, instagram, TikTok and google (yes google, it has little to no ranking presence currently) and building an interactive fan app that can work in conjunction with matchday events for things like man of the match, in match play competitions, offers and fun experiences for kids. One of the key targets should be looking at the female fanbase and widening that, expanding on the work it has done with gasgirls to involve the youngest female fan that comes to a game. The focus should also be on lowering the age subscription to the SC. At the last AGM there wasn’t one person there under the age of 50 I don’t think and the majority of opinion came from people from the halcyon days of Dunford and Co where a paperclip and shoelace was used to fix everything. Today I learned that one of the reasons an AGM hasn’t been done is because some some have the inability to access the Internet (my assumption would be that this would be age related that they don’t need it so won’t pay for it...) now of course you don’t want anyone to feel left out, but by the same token you cannot stand still, if every business took that approach in March the world would have been bankrupt in days. If the total number of people that can’t access is 10% or less than the subscribed membership then it’s a pointless position and poor excuse for not cracking on and getting down to business. It’s that exact viewpoint and attitude that has seen the SC in its current guise spiral into irrelevance. It’s just not proactive enough. Now I have a list of things, some of which I have mentioned, and others I haven’t that are such obvious things to start up that with a bit of proactivity, help from others and a bit of passion we can zoom the SC into the 21st century and make it more relevant to everyone. The more that get involved, the greater the success will be all round. And it needs to start with all the nonsense from the past being left there. Whether you are trolling me or not, I can say I don’t know much about the inner workings of the SC, the SS or why there seems to be a reluctance to drag it forward. But I’m a quick learner with a bag of experience which the SC could benefit from. Whether it’s me or someone else that gets the gig, it needs to be done vastly differently from previous otherwise it will disappear into obscurity. I didn't ask for your election manifesto. The reason that you need to understand who / what you are getting involved in / going up against, is that it will be quite easy to discredit someone who doesn't understand the basics of the machine that they want to sit at the top table of. It sounds to me as if SC Chairman is the role that you actually want?
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 1, 2020 23:28:20 GMT
Bamber, I wish I could sit with someone over a coffee or zoom and have an hour of their time to find out what I need to know from someone with a degree of influence. In some scores to know the inner workings of the club is like looking at the inner workings of a business. In essence, you can only do that when you’re in and looking at facts, figures, rules by which the company has previously played by etc. In fact the SC should have people in place to look after such things already. The role of the director shouldn’t be to memorise history of past rulership or set up for fear of losing some face in some hustings, the detailed ins and outs can be worked out once in the role. The applying candidate should be able to demonstrate what they plan to do to build its future alongside the football club from this point going forward. Knowing how many people are in the SS, how much they put in, why, and how it’s now longer as valuable is really, a bit moot. What the role requires firstly is to make sure people are doing each job properly and maximising their role, and if they’re not, finding out why, improving them, giving them help or additional resources within a set budget of expenditure, or creating that expenditure from somewhere. If something is too much for one person, actively seek other members who can help. Given the way remote working has been utilised by every business worldwide, it should make volunteering easier if one has internet access and am operable laptop or pad. The successful FD should be looking at dynamically improving the subscription, specifically targeting groups of people that have not and probably will not subscribe, looking at diversity, events, additional incomes, sponsorship, business relationships, improving social media communication across Facebook, instagram, TikTok and google (yes google, it has little to no ranking presence currently) and building an interactive fan app that can work in conjunction with matchday events for things like man of the match, in match play competitions, offers and fun experiences for kids. One of the key targets should be looking at the female fanbase and widening that, expanding on the work it has done with gasgirls to involve the youngest female fan that comes to a game. The focus should also be on lowering the age subscription to the SC. At the last AGM there wasn’t one person there under the age of 50 I don’t think and the majority of opinion came from people from the halcyon days of Dunford and Co where a paperclip and shoelace was used to fix everything. Today I learned that one of the reasons an AGM hasn’t been done is because some some have the inability to access the Internet (my assumption would be that this would be age related that they don’t need it so won’t pay for it...) now of course you don’t want anyone to feel left out, but by the same token you cannot stand still, if every business took that approach in March the world would have been bankrupt in days. If the total number of people that can’t access is 10% or less than the subscribed membership then it’s a pointless position and poor excuse for not cracking on and getting down to business. It’s that exact viewpoint and attitude that has seen the SC in its current guise spiral into irrelevance. It’s just not proactive enough. Now I have a list of things, some of which I have mentioned, and others I haven’t that are such obvious things to start up that with a bit of proactivity, help from others and a bit of passion we can zoom the SC into the 21st century and make it more relevant to everyone. The more that get involved, the greater the success will be all round. And it needs to start with all the nonsense from the past being left there. Whether you are trolling me or not, I can say I don’t know much about the inner workings of the SC, the SS or why there seems to be a reluctance to drag it forward. But I’m a quick learner with a bag of experience which the SC could benefit from. Whether it’s me or someone else that gets the gig, it needs to be done vastly differently from previous otherwise it will disappear into obscurity. I didn't ask for your election manifesto. The reason that you need to understand who / what you are getting involved in / going up against, is that it will be quite easy to discredit someone who doesn't understand the basics of the machine that they want to sit at the top table of. It sounds to me as if SC Chairman is the role that you actually want? And I didn’t give it to you... 😉 I know what you are saying and thanks for the heads up on it. I’ve got no desire to be chairman and wouldn’t run for it if it was available.
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Post by bondigas on Sept 2, 2020 8:08:12 GMT
Are you the Elon Musk of Bristol, an hours worth of dental root canal work would be less painful than an hours zoom call with you. Disappearing up your own backside springs to mind with these rants you post.
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 2, 2020 8:55:44 GMT
Bamber, I wish I could sit with someone over a coffee or zoom and have an hour of their time to find out what I need to know from someone with a degree of influence. In some scores to know the inner workings of the club is like looking at the inner workings of a business. In essence, you can only do that when you’re in and looking at facts, figures, rules by which the company has previously played by etc. In fact the SC should have people in place to look after such things already. The role of the director shouldn’t be to memorise history of past rulership or set up for fear of losing some face in some hustings, the detailed ins and outs can be worked out once in the role. The applying candidate should be able to demonstrate what they plan to do to build its future alongside the football club from this point going forward. Knowing how many people are in the SS, how much they put in, why, and how it’s now longer as valuable is really, a bit moot. What the role requires firstly is to make sure people are doing each job properly and maximising their role, and if they’re not, finding out why, improving them, giving them help or additional resources within a set budget of expenditure, or creating that expenditure from somewhere. If something is too much for one person, actively seek other members who can help. Given the way remote working has been utilised by every business worldwide, it should make volunteering easier if one has internet access and am operable laptop or pad. The successful FD should be looking at dynamically improving the subscription, specifically targeting groups of people that have not and probably will not subscribe, looking at diversity, events, additional incomes, sponsorship, business relationships, improving social media communication across Facebook, instagram, TikTok and google (yes google, it has little to no ranking presence currently) and building an interactive fan app that can work in conjunction with matchday events for things like man of the match, in match play competitions, offers and fun experiences for kids. One of the key targets should be looking at the female fanbase and widening that, expanding on the work it has done with gasgirls to involve the youngest female fan that comes to a game. The focus should also be on lowering the age subscription to the SC. At the last AGM there wasn’t one person there under the age of 50 I don’t think and the majority of opinion came from people from the halcyon days of Dunford and Co where a paperclip and shoelace was used to fix everything. Today I learned that one of the reasons an AGM hasn’t been done is because some some have the inability to access the Internet (my assumption would be that this would be age related that they don’t need it so won’t pay for it...) now of course you don’t want anyone to feel left out, but by the same token you cannot stand still, if every business took that approach in March the world would have been bankrupt in days. If the total number of people that can’t access is 10% or less than the subscribed membership then it’s a pointless position and poor excuse for not cracking on and getting down to business. It’s that exact viewpoint and attitude that has seen the SC in its current guise spiral into irrelevance. It’s just not proactive enough. Now I have a list of things, some of which I have mentioned, and others I haven’t that are such obvious things to start up that with a bit of proactivity, help from others and a bit of passion we can zoom the SC into the 21st century and make it more relevant to everyone. The more that get involved, the greater the success will be all round. And it needs to start with all the nonsense from the past being left there. Whether you are trolling me or not, I can say I don’t know much about the inner workings of the SC, the SS or why there seems to be a reluctance to drag it forward. But I’m a quick learner with a bag of experience which the SC could benefit from. Whether it’s me or someone else that gets the gig, it needs to be done vastly differently from previous otherwise it will disappear into obscurity. I didn't ask for your election manifesto. The reason that you need to understand who / what you are getting involved in / going up against, is that it will be quite easy to discredit someone who doesn't understand the basics of the machine that they want to sit at the top table of. It sounds to me as if SC Chairman is the role that you actually want? Who within the current SC has any clue about the Share Scheme anyway in order to discredit? They have never given any impression they have a clue, unless Ken himself is going to stand up and babble inanely and tell everyone what he did (which is largely irrelevant to the position)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 9:45:44 GMT
I didn't ask for your election manifesto. The reason that you need to understand who / what you are getting involved in / going up against, is that it will be quite easy to discredit someone who doesn't understand the basics of the machine that they want to sit at the top table of. It sounds to me as if SC Chairman is the role that you actually want? And I didn’t give it to you... 😉 I know what you are saying and thanks for the heads up on it. I’ve got no desire to be chairman and wouldn’t run for it if it was available. Don't get it at all. You want to reform and modernise the SC, but don't want to take up the most relevant position that would allow you to do that.
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