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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 13:19:30 GMT
with 'real' football fast approaching, is there any update on things BRSC? Tommy off Gascast was hoping for some sort of hustings, I think? Been wondering the exact same thing. Lots of talk about a SC V2.0, then the person talking about it fell silent, that means he either talked with people and realised the enormity of the task, or he's actually cracking on with it. Anybody got any information?
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Post by manchestergas on Aug 30, 2020 20:11:20 GMT
with 'real' football fast approaching, is there any update on things BRSC? Tommy off Gascast was hoping for some sort of hustings, I think? Been wondering the exact same thing. Lots of talk about a SC V2.0, then the person talking about it fell silent, that means he either talked with people and realised the enormity of the task, or he's actually cracking on with it. Anybody got any information? The SC has spent the last 6 months trying to figure how to use Zoom.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 31, 2020 8:52:47 GMT
with 'real' football fast approaching, is there any update on things BRSC? Tommy off Gascast was hoping for some sort of hustings, I think? Been wondering the exact same thing. Lots of talk about a SC V2.0, then the person talking about it fell silent, that means he either talked with people and realised the enormity of the task, or he's actually cracking on with it. Anybody got any information? I didn’t fall silent.. I spoke with lots of people about doing it, I spoke to the club about doing it and The complexity of a SC2.0 isn’t so much a huge task to set up, but could cause all sorts of legal issues with the existing SC and also wouldn’t be able to have a direct in to the club like the existing club does. It was a bit of a messy minefield and it seemed pointless setting up another club to focus on a political minefield. So, not wishing to walk away and not to put my money where my opinion was I threw my hat into the ring for the SC Director role, got nominated and seconded, and have heard nothing since! I don’t even really know if my nomination has been officially accepted! I emailed the SC secretary a few weeks ago and was told there were a number of applicants so it would need to go to a vote, that they were waiting for covid to vanish so they could act within their own rules of meeting in a room and it would be done by Oct 31. I did say that it’s unlikely that is going to be possible by 31 Oct and would you consider bringing a date forward given the new position of ownership with the club and to give fans that won’t be able to attend games maximum representation. All of the above could be done very simply by Zoom... I didn’t get a reply....
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 31, 2020 9:28:30 GMT
Been wondering the exact same thing. Lots of talk about a SC V2.0, then the person talking about it fell silent, that means he either talked with people and realised the enormity of the task, or he's actually cracking on with it. Anybody got any information? I didn’t fall silent.. I spoke with lots of people about doing it, I spoke to the club about doing it and The complexity of a SC2.0 isn’t so much a huge task to set up, but could cause all sorts of legal issues with the existing SC and also wouldn’t be able to have a direct in to the club like the existing club does. It was a bit of a messy minefield and it seemed pointless setting up another club to focus on a political minefield. So, not wishing to walk away and not to put my money where my opinion was I threw my hat into the ring for the SC Director role, got nominated and seconded, and have heard nothing since! I don’t even really know if my nomination has been officially accepted! I emailed the SC secretary a few weeks ago and was told there were a number of applicants so it would need to go to a vote, that they were waiting for covid to vanish so they could act within their own rules of meeting in a room and it would be done by Oct 31. I did say that it’s unlikely that is going to be possible by 31 Oct and would you consider bringing a date forward given the new position of ownership with the club and to give fans that won’t be able to attend games maximum representation. All of the above could be done very simply by Zoom... I didn’t get a reply.... Ta for the update ITB. My guess is that if elected you will enter a different political minefield, but good luck to you and to the other applicants Maybe several of you might create a 'Zoom hustings' or similar alongside the Gascast peeps - it would create some transparency, and a sense of a breath of fresh air?
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 31, 2020 9:37:17 GMT
Been wondering the exact same thing. Lots of talk about a SC V2.0, then the person talking about it fell silent, that means he either talked with people and realised the enormity of the task, or he's actually cracking on with it. Anybody got any information? I didn’t fall silent.. I spoke with lots of people about doing it, I spoke to the club about doing it and The complexity of a SC2.0 isn’t so much a huge task to set up, but could cause all sorts of legal issues with the existing SC and also wouldn’t be able to have a direct in to the club like the existing club does. It was a bit of a messy minefield and it seemed pointless setting up another club to focus on a political minefield. So, not wishing to walk away and not to put my money where my opinion was I threw my hat into the ring for the SC Director role, got nominated and seconded, and have heard nothing since! I don’t even really know if my nomination has been officially accepted! I emailed the SC secretary a few weeks ago and was told there were a number of applicants so it would need to go to a vote, that they were waiting for covid to vanish so they could act within their own rules of meeting in a room and it would be done by Oct 31. I did say that it’s unlikely that is going to be possible by 31 Oct and would you consider bringing a date forward given the new position of ownership with the club and to give fans that won’t be able to attend games maximum representation. All of the above could be done very simply by Zoom... I didn’t get a reply.... Despite my slight misgivings about you being a little too close to Wael... I wish you good luck. The SC needs reform and fresh blood and fresh leadership. Shame that a 'brand new SCv2' wasn't viable.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 31, 2020 9:43:01 GMT
I didn’t fall silent.. I spoke with lots of people about doing it, I spoke to the club about doing it and The complexity of a SC2.0 isn’t so much a huge task to set up, but could cause all sorts of legal issues with the existing SC and also wouldn’t be able to have a direct in to the club like the existing club does. It was a bit of a messy minefield and it seemed pointless setting up another club to focus on a political minefield. So, not wishing to walk away and not to put my money where my opinion was I threw my hat into the ring for the SC Director role, got nominated and seconded, and have heard nothing since! I don’t even really know if my nomination has been officially accepted! I emailed the SC secretary a few weeks ago and was told there were a number of applicants so it would need to go to a vote, that they were waiting for covid to vanish so they could act within their own rules of meeting in a room and it would be done by Oct 31. I did say that it’s unlikely that is going to be possible by 31 Oct and would you consider bringing a date forward given the new position of ownership with the club and to give fans that won’t be able to attend games maximum representation. All of the above could be done very simply by Zoom... I didn’t get a reply.... Ta for the update ITB. My guess is that if elected you will enter a different political minefield, but good luck to you and to the other applicants Maybe several of you might create a 'Zoom hustings' or similar alongside the Gascast peeps - it would create some transparency, and a sense of a breath of fresh air? I’m aware what I’m letting myself in for. I don’t think the Chairman would want me elected either so I’m not expecting for one moment to get the gig. From what I understand you have to be interviewed by the board of the club afterwards and if your face doesn’t fit there they will veto you, so nothing is guaranteed. There won’t be a SC Director installed before Dec 1 By which time half the season would have gone and it will be hard to do anything worthwhile. IMO lockdown would have been the ideal time to get everything done via zoom and start getting things put in place ready for the start of the season.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 31, 2020 10:05:18 GMT
Ta for the update ITB. My guess is that if elected you will enter a different political minefield, but good luck to you and to the other applicants Maybe several of you might create a 'Zoom hustings' or similar alongside the Gascast peeps - it would create some transparency, and a sense of a breath of fresh air? I’m aware what I’m letting myself in for. I don’t think the Chairman would want me elected either so I’m not expecting for one moment to get the gig. From what I understand you have to be interviewed by the board of the club afterwards and if your face doesn’t fit there they will veto you, so nothing is guaranteed. There won’t be a SC Director installed before Dec 1 By which time half the season would have gone and it will be hard to do anything worthwhile. IMO lockdown would have been the ideal time to get everything done via zoom and start getting things put in place ready for the start of the season. do you know who else is standing, thus far at least?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 11:42:54 GMT
It went 'Silent' on here is what I meant.
Did I just miss posts explaining what was happening as this unfolded, if so, please accept my apologies.
Can you explain what the legal implications would be of setting up a new, wholly independent body please?
Of course, you couldn't use the name 'Supporters' Club', but that and the Share Scheme aside, what's the problem?
Ref process.
Do you qualify to stand for the position of Share Scheme Director?
As I'm sure you are aware, as you will have read the literature surrounding the election process, there is a candidates' address, where board members / club officials will meet with candidates, explain the role and responsibilities, ask and take any questions.
Then after the ballot the successful candidate needs to have his/her position ratified, I think that this is what you are thinking of?
It wouldn't matter if you missed half a season, you do know how long the term is for a Share Scheme Director, don't you? It's not 1 season.
Anyway, I wouldn't lose a huge amount of sleep if the SC did decide on legal action, according to their own website they still have the Share Scheme registered to an address that they haven't owned for some considerable time, if this is their level of record keeping and organisation, any High Street gumshoe solicitor should run rings around them;
Guessing that this 'meeting' is for the ballot, if we are waiting for that then it could be some time as, as far as I'm aware, that type of gathering is presently restricted to 30 people, so if the SC want this to happen they are going to have to vote through a rule change and do this ballot a different way this time.
I don't see the issue with having 'an in' to the club. The present SC is like a knackered Vauxhall Victor with a blown head gasket, not much use to anybody, V2.0 needs to be something very different (as demonstrated by you mentioning Zoom, them not responding, 2 salient points made right there), as soon as it's up and running and becomes a living, breathing thing and has value to the FC, they'll talk to you, not a problem.
Edit.
Are those still valid company details for Rovers?
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 31, 2020 14:21:17 GMT
It went 'Silent' on here is what I meant. Did I just miss posts explaining what was happening as this unfolded, if so, please accept my apologies. Can you explain what the legal implications would be of setting up a new, wholly independent body please? Of course, you couldn't use the name 'Supporters' Club', but that and the Share Scheme aside, what's the problem? Ref process. Do you qualify to stand for the position of Share Scheme Director? As I'm sure you are aware, as you will have read the literature surrounding the election process, there is a candidates' address, where board members / club officials will meet with candidates, explain the role and responsibilities, ask and take any questions. Then after the ballot the successful candidate needs to have his/her position ratified, I think that this is what you are thinking of? It wouldn't matter if you missed half a season, you do know how long the term is for a Share Scheme Director, don't you? It's not 1 season. Anyway, I wouldn't lose a huge amount of sleep if the SC did decide on legal action, according to their own website they still have the Share Scheme registered to an address that they haven't owned for some considerable time, if this is their level of record keeping and organisation, any High Street gumshoe solicitor should run rings around them; Guessing that this 'meeting' is for the ballot, if we are waiting for that then it could be some time as, as far as I'm aware, that type of gathering is presently restricted to 30 people, so if the SC want this to happen they are going to have to vote through a rule change and do this ballot a different way this time. I don't see the issue with having 'an in' to the club. The present SC is like a knackered Vauxhall Victor with a blown head gasket, not much use to anybody, V2.0 needs to be something very different (as demonstrated by you mentioning Zoom, them not responding, 2 salient points made right there), as soon as it's up and running and becomes a living, breathing thing and has value to the FC, they'll talk to you, not a problem. Edit. Are those still valid company details for Rovers? The idea was put to Taylor Wessing, the clubs legal team and it was advised it wasn't done. I didn't actively pursue the reasons why and admittedly at the time, it was around the KM shenanigans so perhaps that had something to do with it. Either way a different avenue has opened up which already has a goodish structure in terms of people who want to be involved, volunteers etc, it just needs modernising, energising and changing to fit the current dynamic. Do I qualify in terms of being a director from a legal perspective do you mean? If so, yes I do. Im aware of the length of term of office, that's not what I meant however. What I meant was that at the moment there is no appointed fans director, there has been a change of ownership as well as changes to the finances, the shareholding has been diluted, and the relationship is in tatters. By lagging the procedure out means that any effective changes will only be benefitted from Season 21/22. The season is starting later, everyone has been locked down mostly with time on their hands, it would have been an ideal opportunity to call the AGM earlier, get everything done in the close season so we can start rebuilding everything sooner rather than later. As far as I'm aware, the SC is now registered at the Mem according to the website anyway.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 31, 2020 14:23:30 GMT
I’m aware what I’m letting myself in for. I don’t think the Chairman would want me elected either so I’m not expecting for one moment to get the gig. From what I understand you have to be interviewed by the board of the club afterwards and if your face doesn’t fit there they will veto you, so nothing is guaranteed. There won’t be a SC Director installed before Dec 1 By which time half the season would have gone and it will be hard to do anything worthwhile. IMO lockdown would have been the ideal time to get everything done via zoom and start getting things put in place ready for the start of the season. do you know who else is standing, thus far at least? The only other person I know is Steve Lamble. I don't know whether he is still in the running. Seems a nice enough chap from the phone conversation I had with him. Ash Belsten was in the running, but he's had to pull out as he has a sensitive personal situation going on which needs his time and focus.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 31, 2020 14:40:17 GMT
do you know who else is standing, thus far at least? The only other person I know is Steve Lamble. I don't know whether he is still in the running. Seems a nice enough chap from the phone conversation I had with him. Ash Belsten was in the running, but he's had to pull out as he has a sensitive personal situation going on which needs his time and focus. ta I wonder if anyone else on here knows of anyone else running? I still think that a Zoom hustings might be a good way to kick off a new era
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 14:48:35 GMT
It went 'Silent' on here is what I meant. Did I just miss posts explaining what was happening as this unfolded, if so, please accept my apologies. Can you explain what the legal implications would be of setting up a new, wholly independent body please? Of course, you couldn't use the name 'Supporters' Club', but that and the Share Scheme aside, what's the problem? Ref process. Do you qualify to stand for the position of Share Scheme Director? As I'm sure you are aware, as you will have read the literature surrounding the election process, there is a candidates' address, where board members / club officials will meet with candidates, explain the role and responsibilities, ask and take any questions. Then after the ballot the successful candidate needs to have his/her position ratified, I think that this is what you are thinking of? It wouldn't matter if you missed half a season, you do know how long the term is for a Share Scheme Director, don't you? It's not 1 season. Anyway, I wouldn't lose a huge amount of sleep if the SC did decide on legal action, according to their own website they still have the Share Scheme registered to an address that they haven't owned for some considerable time, if this is their level of record keeping and organisation, any High Street gumshoe solicitor should run rings around them; Guessing that this 'meeting' is for the ballot, if we are waiting for that then it could be some time as, as far as I'm aware, that type of gathering is presently restricted to 30 people, so if the SC want this to happen they are going to have to vote through a rule change and do this ballot a different way this time. I don't see the issue with having 'an in' to the club. The present SC is like a knackered Vauxhall Victor with a blown head gasket, not much use to anybody, V2.0 needs to be something very different (as demonstrated by you mentioning Zoom, them not responding, 2 salient points made right there), as soon as it's up and running and becomes a living, breathing thing and has value to the FC, they'll talk to you, not a problem. Edit. Are those still valid company details for Rovers? The idea was put to Taylor Wessing, the clubs legal team and it was advised it wasn't done. I didn't actively pursue the reasons why and admittedly at the time, it was around the KM shenanigans so perhaps that had something to do with it. Either way a different avenue has opened up which already has a goodish structure in terms of people who want to be involved, volunteers etc, it just needs modernising, energising and changing to fit the current dynamic. Do I qualify in terms of being a director from a legal perspective do you mean? If so, yes I do. Im aware of the length of term of office, that's not what I meant however. What I meant was that at the moment there is no appointed fans director, there has been a change of ownership as well as changes to the finances, the shareholding has been diluted, and the relationship is in tatters. By lagging the procedure out means that any effective changes will only be benefitted from Season 21/22. The season is starting later, everyone has been locked down mostly with time on their hands, it would have been an ideal opportunity to call the AGM earlier, get everything done in the close season so we can start rebuilding everything sooner rather than later. As far as I'm aware, the SC is now registered at the Mem according to the website anyway. So let's get this straight, your primary, and therefore by definition preferred route was advised against but you didn't ask why. I can't see why you would initially pursue something that wasn't your optimum option. But OK then. No, my enquiry didn't relate to whether you were a 'fit and proper person', it related to your status within the existing SC. I didn't ask where the SC was registered, I was making the point that they appear incapable of keeping information up to date. I did ask whether the information on their Share Scheme pages relating to the FC was accurate though. Now I'm totally confused. You said earlier that a SC V2 was problematic, now you are claiming that planning for it is at an advanced stage?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 31, 2020 15:01:15 GMT
Guessing that this 'meeting' is for the ballot, if we are waiting for that then it could be some time as, as far as I'm aware, that type of gathering is presently restricted to 30 people, so if the SC want this to happen they are going to have to vote through a rule change and do this ballot a different way this time. I presume that proxy forms could be issued to BRSC members with the nominees and a postal vote be taken. If there were 'Trump' like concerns about postal proxy voting perhaps an independent third party could be brought in to supervise... Don't see why Covid should be constantly used as an excuse to delay things. Unless of course proxy votes aren't allowed, although I believe they have been used in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 15:32:08 GMT
Guessing that this 'meeting' is for the ballot, if we are waiting for that then it could be some time as, as far as I'm aware, that type of gathering is presently restricted to 30 people, so if the SC want this to happen they are going to have to vote through a rule change and do this ballot a different way this time. I presume that proxy forms could be issued to BRSC members with the nominees and a postal vote be taken. If there were 'Trump' like concerns about postal proxy voting perhaps an independent third party could be brought in to supervise... Don't see why Covid should be constantly used as an excuse to delay things. Unless of course proxy votes aren't allowed, although I believe they have been used in the past. Surely though, it's all irrelevant? One shareholder owns more than 92% of the company that owns the club. There is no room for manoeuvre, any remarks about the current board is pure lip service surely?
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 31, 2020 16:09:43 GMT
I presume that proxy forms could be issued to BRSC members with the nominees and a postal vote be taken. If there were 'Trump' like concerns about postal proxy voting perhaps an independent third party could be brought in to supervise... Don't see why Covid should be constantly used as an excuse to delay things. Unless of course proxy votes aren't allowed, although I believe they have been used in the past. Surely though, it's all irrelevant? One shareholder owns more than 92% of the company that owns the club. There is no room for manoeuvre, any remarks about the current board is pure lip service surely? bit defeatist
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 16:32:54 GMT
I presume that proxy forms could be issued to BRSC members with the nominees and a postal vote be taken. If there were 'Trump' like concerns about postal proxy voting perhaps an independent third party could be brought in to supervise... Don't see why Covid should be constantly used as an excuse to delay things. Unless of course proxy votes aren't allowed, although I believe they have been used in the past. Surely though, it's all irrelevant? One shareholder owns more than 92% of the company that owns the club. There is no room for manoeuvre, any remarks about the current board is pure lip service surely? I still maintain that if a nominee has some skill set that's of use to the FC, they will most likely utilise that person's ability. If nothing else, that person should be a channel of communication. If no formal meetings are held for the SC Director to attend then this should be reported to the remaining SC contributors, they can then make an informed decision regarding continued membership. Nothing to lose. Anyway, my understanding is that there's an obligation to advertise vacant positions and seek applications?
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Post by manchestergas on Aug 31, 2020 20:18:01 GMT
Been wondering the exact same thing. Lots of talk about a SC V2.0, then the person talking about it fell silent, that means he either talked with people and realised the enormity of the task, or he's actually cracking on with it. Anybody got any information? I didn’t fall silent.. I spoke with lots of people about doing it, I spoke to the club about doing it and The complexity of a SC2.0 isn’t so much a huge task to set up, but could cause all sorts of legal issues with the existing SC and also wouldn’t be able to have a direct in to the club like the existing club does. It was a bit of a messy minefield and it seemed pointless setting up another club to focus on a political minefield. So, not wishing to walk away and not to put my money where my opinion was I threw my hat into the ring for the SC Director role, got nominated and seconded, and have heard nothing since! I don’t even really know if my nomination has been officially accepted! I emailed the SC secretary a few weeks ago and was told there were a number of applicants so it would need to go to a vote, that they were waiting for covid to vanish so they could act within their own rules of meeting in a room and it would be done by Oct 31. I did say that it’s unlikely that is going to be possible by 31 Oct and would you consider bringing a date forward given the new position of ownership with the club and to give fans that won’t be able to attend games maximum representation. All of the above could be done very simply by Zoom... I didn’t get a reply.... This bit made me laugh: I emailed the SC secretary a few weeks ago and was told there were a number of applicants so it would need to go to a vote, that they were waiting for covid to vanish so they could act within their own rules of meeting in a room and it would be done by Oct 31. Maybe Ken Masters is working on a vaccine in a secret laboratory under the Mem (I think he would be allowed under the West Stand and the Directors Boxes as long as he is not in them).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 11:38:07 GMT
Surely though, it's all irrelevant? One shareholder owns more than 92% of the company that owns the club. There is no room for manoeuvre, any remarks about the current board is pure lip service surely? I still maintain that if a nominee has some skill set that's of use to the FC, they will most likely utilise that person's ability. If nothing else, that person should be a channel of communication. If no formal meetings are held for the SC Director to attend then this should be reported to the remaining SC contributors, they can then make an informed decision regarding continued membership. Nothing to lose. Anyway, my understanding is that there's an obligation to advertise vacant positions and seek applications? I don't disagree with your logic But I just don't see the point of it and all, not now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 13:17:06 GMT
I still maintain that if a nominee has some skill set that's of use to the FC, they will most likely utilise that person's ability. If nothing else, that person should be a channel of communication. If no formal meetings are held for the SC Director to attend then this should be reported to the remaining SC contributors, they can then make an informed decision regarding continued membership. Nothing to lose. Anyway, my understanding is that there's an obligation to advertise vacant positions and seek applications? I don't disagree with your logic But I just don't see the point of it and all, not now. It's all dependant on what this new bloke reckons he can transform the SC into I guess? I'm thoroughly confused by what's going on though. He's saying that he thinks that Wael would oppose him being appointed as SC Director, yet he also claims to have access to the club's own solicitors to gain opinion on the implications of forming a new SC. Add to that, he's put himself forward without, it would appear, fully understanding the distinction between a candidates' address and ratification, and I'm afraid I don't hold out too much hope for anything coming from all of this. But hey, I've been wrong plenty of times in the past, so I wish him well with his efforts.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 1, 2020 13:37:31 GMT
He's saying that he thinks that Wael would oppose him being appointed as SC Director if you are talking about ITB I read it as him saying that the existing SC leadership ('Chairman' = Jim Chappell I think) wouldn't have him as their preferred colleague, nowt to do with Wael ('President')
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