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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:22:30 GMT
The club doesnt need a "professional business person" It needs capital and a plan for a sustainable future that provides for an exit route for that capital. In my opinion, no such exit route exists Hence chancers, fly by nights and dreamers get involved. Nobody, no one, with an ounce of common sense will touch our club with barge pole. Had a long chat today and at the end of it I asked the person if he would rather have taken the club over in 2006 with £2.5m of debt directly linked to the stadium purchase or today? The reply was, we all know who has ****** it up. I think there will be a massive need for fan involvement in the near future but I doubt it will be for ownership. There is a chance the club will survive but it wont be pretty for quite a few years. I cannot imagine who that was....🤣🤣 I agree with you, as you know. I do query whether fans who espouse fan involvement are truly committed to it and understand the commitment required.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2020 18:24:52 GMT
The club doesnt need a "professional business person" It needs capital and a plan for a sustainable future that provides for an exit route for that capital. In my opinion, no such exit route exists Hence chancers, fly by nights and dreamers get involved. Nobody, no one, with an ounce of common sense will touch our club with barge pole. Had a long chat today and at the end of it I asked the person if he would rather have taken the club over in 2006 with £2.5m of debt directly linked to the stadium purchase or today? The reply was, we all know who has ****** it up. I think there will be a massive need for fan involvement in the near future but I doubt it will be for ownership. There is a chance the club will survive but it wont be pretty for quite a few years. one possible explanation for the recent developments with SH and KM is that WAQ is panicking. I hadn't thought that to be the case, although it seems to me that it could have happened at any time since MS rocked up do you think it was a factor phil?
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 17, 2020 18:25:16 GMT
Football in general has become stale. When you have been on R.A.T.S special at 14, you understand the meaning of edge. true, but I can't think of any examples, outside of maybe St Pauli, of this type of 'edge' bringing money into football and it's a thing that football has tried very very hard to move away from for a very long time I think Mr Gorringe is heading in the right direction. And, if nothing else, it's a direction of which his boss is likely to approve - which is probably crucial for his survival in the job St Pauli are soooooooo last decade AMPG. Please keep up. Looking for a blue print - I give you Union Berlin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1._FC_Union_Berlin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:26:18 GMT
Had a long chat today and at the end of it I asked the person if he would rather have taken the club over in 2006 with £2.5m of debt directly linked to the stadium purchase or today? The reply was, we all know who has ****** it up. I think there will be a massive need for fan involvement in the near future but I doubt it will be for ownership. There is a chance the club will survive but it wont be pretty for quite a few years. I cannot imagine who that was....🤣🤣 I agree with you, as you know. I do query whether fans who espouse fan involvement are truly committed to it and understand the commitment required. Funnily enough we all discussed the fact that when the time comes you can fill a room with lots of well meaning intelligent people who will each have 101 brilliant ideas but as soon as you say right lets do it the room will empty. Are you up for a beer soon, perhaps meet up at The Bell Hanger?
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2020 18:26:24 GMT
true, but I can't think of any examples, outside of maybe St Pauli, of this type of 'edge' bringing money into football and it's a thing that football has tried very very hard to move away from for a very long time I think Mr Gorringe is heading in the right direction. And, if nothing else, it's a direction of which his boss is likely to approve - which is probably crucial for his survival in the job St Pauli are soooooooo last decade AMPG. Please keep up. Looking for a blue print - I give you Union Berlin: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1._FC_Union_Berlinmore of a Hertha man, myself
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:28:04 GMT
Had a long chat today and at the end of it I asked the person if he would rather have taken the club over in 2006 with £2.5m of debt directly linked to the stadium purchase or today? The reply was, we all know who has ****** it up. I think there will be a massive need for fan involvement in the near future but I doubt it will be for ownership. There is a chance the club will survive but it wont be pretty for quite a few years. one possible explanation for the recent developments with SH and KM is that WAQ is panicking. I hadn't thought that to be the case, although it seems to me that it could have happened at any time since MS rocked up do you think it was a factor Phil? I know why it was but its not for me to say. Perhaps Jim Chappell will explain all during his interview with Twentyman tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:28:55 GMT
I cannot imagine who that was....🤣🤣 I agree with you, as you know. I do query whether fans who espouse fan involvement are truly committed to it and understand the commitment required. Funnily enough we all discussed the fact that when the time comes you can fill a room with lots of well meaning intelligent people who will each have 101 brilliant ideas but as soon as you say right lets do it the room will empty. Are you up for a beer soon, perhaps meet up at The Bell Hanger? Sounds great mate. Let me know when it suits.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 17, 2020 19:41:47 GMT
one possible explanation for the recent developments with SH and KM is that WAQ is panicking. I hadn't thought that to be the case, although it seems to me that it could have happened at any time since MS rocked up do you think it was a factor Phil? I know why it was but its not for me to say. Perhaps Jim Chappell will explain all during his interview with Twentyman tomorrow. Is that a joke or is JC also due on air, if so, what time is he due on the show?
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 17, 2020 19:48:11 GMT
I know why it was but its not for me to say. Perhaps Jim Chappell will explain all during his interview with Twentyman tomorrow. Is that a joke or is JC also due on air, if so, what time is he due on the show? Doubt Jim would do an interview while legal proceedings are happening. Funny how Jim and Ken were ridiculed by many on here and are now the subject of much debate!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 20:18:42 GMT
3-2-1 you're back in the room. 3-2-1 might be our formation when the debts are called in.
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Post by fanatical on Jan 17, 2020 20:33:32 GMT
So you suggest that TG and MS have found it easy to do their job and the money just flows? I do not - they need better than they get. nope, I suggested that they have made their mark/put their stamp on things
nowhere did I make reference to whether or not they found it easy to do their job, or whether the money 'just flows'. That's all your words explain - where? how?
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2020 20:40:08 GMT
nope, I suggested that they have made their mark/put their stamp on things
nowhere did I make reference to whether or not they found it easy to do their job, or whether the money 'just flows'. That's all your words explain - where? how? given your tone, I'm not very tempted to and, frankly, for a person of your maturity I'd have expected better 'please explain', or 'could you add some detail' would seem to me to be normal and appropriate
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2020 20:41:34 GMT
given your tone, I'm not very tempted to and, frankly, for a person of your maturity I'd have expected better 'please explain', or 'could you add some detail' would seem to me to be normal and appropriate PS I did originally provide some hints, I think, with 'it seems to me that TG has done some good stuff, and MS in interviews is refreshingly clear '
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Post by manchestergas on Jan 17, 2020 21:43:23 GMT
Is that a joke or is JC also due on air, if so, what time is he due on the show? Doubt Jim would do an interview while legal proceedings are happening. Funny how Jim and Ken were ridiculed by many on here and are now the subject of much debate! So are legal proceedings happening? There is vast difference between ‘consulting with our solicitors’ and issuing legal proceedings. Its not like the telly ‘see you in court’. There is a whole raft of questions to be considered. Who will pay for it? How will it be funded, different possibly to the first question? Who pays the costs as they are incurred? Cash flow issues. There was some throw away comment on the other forum, oh there are plenty of no win no fee’ solicitors, I suspect not for this sort of action, it’s not a personal injury claim, what is the basis of the claim? What monetary compensation if any will they get? You know the winning party usually only gets 70 percent of their costs back. They will be out of pocket even if they win. The other sides solicitors are probably going to be Taylor Wessing a big international law firm who could easily choose to have a policy of incurring maximum costs to drive the SC into the ground, a legitimate litigation tactic and what law firm do the SC choose? What happens if they lose, it could possibly bankrupt the SC in costs. Above all what is the objective of any litigation, get Ken back in Box 1, get Ken back in the boardroom? Is that achievable? even if achievable what is the point? He and BSS admitted board meetings were few and far between and they didn’t attend, they could just ignore him. You don’t launch legal proceedings based on principle alone. You have to have a clear objective, funding, and a strategy both legal and PR. This could take months and months if not a year. Can the SC manage it? What would be the impact of the SC suing the football club amongst the wider fan base? I may be wrong but my prediction no legal proceedings will be issued, nothing will happen, I suspect this will end with a whimper.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 17, 2020 22:22:03 GMT
You are most likely correct but their could be a case of KM suing as the ban is a slight on his reputation (don't laugh), the question must be what evidence does Wael have of wrong doing by KM? It's OK banning him because he thinks he's a mole (or whatever he's done) but does he have 100% proof that's the case? Regardless what a mess when we have the SC threathening to sue the club, you couldn't make it up!
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Post by manchestergas on Jan 17, 2020 22:34:55 GMT
Then the argument is if Ken’s reputation is defamed it’s for him to launch the action personally not the SC. Also general comment on defamation cases, they are not nice to be involved in for either side. They can go disastrous wrong, ask Oscar Wilde, Archer and Aitken. Also what happens if KM wins, got little in the way of damages but still had to fund the costs?
As I say legal proceedings are not something you enter into lightly.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 18, 2020 9:51:22 GMT
Then the argument is if Ken’s reputation is defamed it’s for him to launch the action personally not the SC. Also general comment on defamation cases, they are not nice to be involved in for either side. They can go disastrous wrong, ask Oscar Wilde, Archer and Aitken. Also what happens if KM wins, got little in the way of damages but still had to fund the costs? As I say legal proceedings are not something you enter into lightly. As there is obvious fans interest should we crowd fund to raise the legal fees perhaps get a top lawyer and maybe some fans protest at the aFleetwood game with posters Ken is innocent or Bring back Masters. Bambi could lead a group of gasheads down Gloucester Road holding up the traffic?
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Post by manchestergas on Jan 18, 2020 9:58:55 GMT
Then the argument is if Ken’s reputation is defamed it’s for him to launch the action personally not the SC. Also general comment on defamation cases, they are not nice to be involved in for either side. They can go disastrous wrong, ask Oscar Wilde, Archer and Aitken. Also what happens if KM wins, got little in the way of damages but still had to fund the costs? As I say legal proceedings are not something you enter into lightly. As there is obvious fans interest should we crowd fund to raise the legal fees perhaps get a top lawyer and maybe some fans protest at the aFleetwood game with posters Ken is innocent or Bring back Masters. Bambi could lead a group of gasheads down Gloucester Road holding up the traffic? But didn’t you earlier say it’s only the SC’s business not non-members? So maybe the demo or crowd funding can only be SC members? Contrary to what Boris says you can’t have your cake and eat it. The fans representative either represents the interests of all fans, or just those of SC members. i predict sweet FA will happen either legally, demos or otherwise. This incident will be a small postscript in the ‘official history’ of BRFC in years to come, assuming the club still exists then.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jan 18, 2020 10:21:06 GMT
Then the argument is if Ken’s reputation is defamed it’s for him to launch the action personally not the SC. Also general comment on defamation cases, they are not nice to be involved in for either side. They can go disastrous wrong, ask Oscar Wilde, Archer and Aitken. Also what happens if KM wins, got little in the way of damages but still had to fund the costs? As I say legal proceedings are not something you enter into lightly. As there is obvious fans interest should we crowd fund to raise the legal fees perhaps get a top lawyer and maybe some fans protest at the aFleetwood game with posters Ken is innocent or Bring back Masters. Bambi could lead a group of gasheads down Gloucester Road holding up the traffic? I’ll do the same for Ken as he has done for at least 95% during his tenure. Sweet Fanny Adams.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 18, 2020 10:40:43 GMT
I may be wrong but my prediction no legal proceedings will be issued, nothing will happen I'll be amazed if you're wrong what's really surprised me is that 'The matter has been placed in the hands of the Supporters Club’s solicitors' so it sounds like action is being taken by the Supporters Club, rather than an individual. Which seems bonkers. My take is that the SC don't know what they're doing, maybe beyond a bit of puffery in support of a friend and long-time contributor to aspects of the club
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