kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 17, 2020 15:31:02 GMT
WM Gas - with you all the way. It has to be distinctive. For example, there is a supporter called Caz May on Twitter. She is glam and sometimes has the mouth of a sewer (showing my age and apologies to Caz), but she is the type of person that I would "employ" to recruit / grow our fan base. Young, social media savvy, passionate, gets it. BTW Our adopted song should be "No-one rates us, we don't care". Football in general has become stale. When you have been on R.A.T.S special at 14, you understand the meaning of edge. Caz is fantastic and has been interviewed by points west a couple of times, she came across really well and, as you say, she really does get it. I have always enjoyed the twitter messages with her. She really is so strongly passionate about the club. It’s a crying shame that no one seems to have noticed the potential within her
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 15:59:29 GMT
I’ve never heard of her but if she is big on youth engagement then she is surely a useful asset.
But saying that maybe the club are well aware of what she can bring but they want to go in a different direction? It’s certainly not surprising that Gorringe would market the club in the same direction as city as, with all due respect, his career so far would suggest that what he knows best is the safe, anodyne footballing experience that you get at a stadium like the Amex. Differentiating yourself using a “cool” and “edgy” emblem like a pirate is probably out of his comfort zone perhaps. It certainly seems that we are targeting families strongly given the addition of the family tent and the recent video about “step up”. That would be fine if we were Newport or a lower league club with a city to ourselves but we are the poor relation with a sleeping giant on our doorstep being bank rolled by a billionaire.
We have to play to our strengths and our major strength is being City’s ginger step-brother who has an interest in Pirate lore. We should be marketed as such and I would have thought it should be quite easy to market ourselves as such. I mean everyone loves pirates don’t they?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 16:02:14 GMT
The edge is right there: the pirate. Why the hell we aren’t marketing the **** out of that to the youth I don’t know. Gorringe has done alright to a point with the bland corporate videos but until we have a slick new stadium we can’t really play the corporate, professional football club card, appealing to families who want a day out. That’s City’s role and it’s arguable whether, as one of two clubs in the same city, we should be marketing ourselves in a way that competes with them anyway. With our ageing fan base our core target supporter should be young lads, preferably local but could appeal to the student population too and you can appeal to them by taking a leaf out of St Pauli’s book and going the whole hog on the appeal of the Pirate/Jolly Roger counter-culture aspect. The very antithesis of a slick, corporate day out. I’d surmise there is a big market for that amongst the youth of Bristol. Certainly enough to swell the crowds and bring a younger generation into the fold. I’ve said the same & for a long time. When I did away games, we got many try to buy our coach flag. We have never used it in any way, for PR yet it’s such an obvious thing. I was hoping TG would recognise this and start to work on it but no, we really are crap at PR That’s really useful info right there- people love the pirate symbolism, it’s cool and much better than a ****ing Robin. Yet no-one at the club does anything with it to make it part of our identity, bar having a camp pirate on the badge as some sort of token gesture. A massive missed opportunity.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2020 16:36:45 GMT
Football in general has become stale. When you have been on R.A.T.S special at 14, you understand the meaning of edge. true, but I can't think of any examples, outside of maybe St Pauli, of this type of 'edge' bringing money into football and it's a thing that football has tried very very hard to move away from for a very long time I think Mr Gorringe is heading in the right direction. And, if nothing else, it's a direction of which his boss is likely to approve - which is probably crucial for his survival in the job
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 16:37:16 GMT
Total unknown bloke called ken masters 223 replies New signing ginnelly 5 replies. Weird place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 16:37:29 GMT
If we're going to use a Pirate, can we use a proper one and not the camp vaudeville effort we have now?
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2020 16:38:14 GMT
If we're going to use a Pirate, can we use a proper one and not the camp vaudeville effort we have now? have you looked at your avatar?
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 17, 2020 16:54:50 GMT
I’ve never heard of her but if she is big on youth engagement then she is surely a useful asset. But saying that maybe the club are well aware of what she can bring but they want to go in a different direction? It’s certainly not surprising that Gorringe would market the club in the same direction as city as, with all due respect, his career so far would suggest that what he knows best is the safe, anodyne footballing experience that you get at a stadium like the Amex. Differentiating yourself using a “cool” and “edgy” emblem like a pirate is probably out of his comfort zone perhaps. It certainly seems that we are targeting families strongly given the addition of the family tent and the recent video about “step up”. That would be fine if we were Newport or a lower league club with a city to ourselves but we are the poor relation with a sleeping giant on our doorstep being bank rolled by a billionaire. We have to play to our strengths and our major strength is being City’s ginger step-brother who has an interest in Pirate lore. We should be marketed as such and I would have thought it should be quite easy to market ourselves as such. I mean everyone loves pirates don’t they?! She is always on Having a gas with Twentyman always says Positive things about the team so far from edgy We need Bambi shaking things up suggesting changes initiatives in marketing etc Tell Tom G what needs sorting. Get behind Bambi and let’s start a revolution
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Post by Blue Mist on Jan 17, 2020 17:09:31 GMT
If we're going to use a Pirate, can we use a proper one and not the camp vaudeville effort we have now? Yeah we should probably use the image of Ching Shih instead, would appeal more to the female and far east market but then we’d have to change the colour of our strip. In your opinion, what does a ‘proper’ pirate look like?
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Post by vaughan on Jan 17, 2020 17:25:51 GMT
So Caz is young, fashionable and forthright. When she goes to football, she has fun.
Edge? Discuss, but it's more an image thing.
One of my favourite moments was some skin-head offering me a tenner for my black Crombie in the Tote. I refused (it was cold!), but loved the kudos.Relevance? It's about funny stories, memories, passion which are instilled when you are young and impressionable.
Perhaps an oath of allegiance to The Pirate for the young whilst I mutter to the Rovers gnome bought for me?
There will be some in the SC thinking of the term "whipper-snappers" whilst reading this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 17:27:18 GMT
WM Gas - with you all the way. It has to be distinctive. For example, there is a supporter called Caz May on Twitter. She is glam and sometimes has the mouth of a sewer (showing my age and apologies to Caz), but she is the type of person that I would "employ" to recruit / grow our fan base. Young, social media savvy, passionate, gets it. BTW Our adopted song should be "No-one rates us, we don't care". Football in general has become stale. When you have been on R.A.T.S special at 14, you understand the meaning of edge. Caz is fantastic and has been interviewed by points west a couple of times, she came across really well and, as you say, she really does get it. I have always enjoyed the twitter messages with her. She really is so strongly passionate about the club. It’s a crying shame that no one seems to have noticed the potential within her Her brother thinks that she is an idiot (she knows)
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Post by fanatical on Jan 17, 2020 17:58:20 GMT
I am also pessimistic about the future. As a good friend of mine explained: the Soul of the Club has been ripped out and we are left with a mute Fanatasist. However, imagine the Club under fan ownership, given the toxic state of our supporter base, reflected on here and especially the other Forum. The thing that people overlook is our fan-base is dwindling as we are not attracting a younger fan base. To do this, it is not just about facilities, but creating an image of a football club that will attract younger supporters. Let us try not to emulate City, but offer something different. To do this, we need to pass the baton to that generation to market this FC but it needs a distinctive edge to it and we oldies will have to accept change. Excellent post Vaughan. Times have indeed changed and we desperately need a professional business person at the head of the Club, as opposed to a rich kid playing fantasy football. The Club is in a perilous place and changes need to happen NOW before one of our many creditors decides enough is enough. Previously when needed someone on the BOD as able to put his hand in his pocket and save the situation, but with a Board of only two Directors - what now? From what has been said I detect that TG and MS must feel as DC and GC did and have struggled to put their stamp on things? Vaughan may well be right in his thoughts on the next decade. Perhaps MS will give us the answers to GT tomorrow at 2.15 pm ? I guess we will all be listening?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:00:52 GMT
Football in general has become stale. When you have been on R.A.T.S special at 14, you understand the meaning of edge. true, but I can't think of any examples, outside of maybe St Pauli, of this type of 'edge' bringing money into football and it's a thing that football has tried very very hard to move away from for a very long time I think Mr Gorringe is heading in the right direction. And, if nothing else, it's a direction of which his boss is likely to approve - which is probably crucial for his survival in the job Absolutely Ultimately it's very easy suggesting "off piste" ideas for marketing the club. But who is going to provide the capital to do this and be prepared to write it off? As for fan ownership, that ship sailed many moons ago on the back of fan apathy. What's different now? Nothing except the idea has been burned.
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 17, 2020 18:02:20 GMT
So Caz is young, fashionable and forthright. When she goes to football, she has fun. Edge? Discuss, but it's more an image thing. One of my favourite moments was some skin-head offering me a tenner for my black Crombie in the Tote. I refused (it was cold!), but loved the kudos.Relevance? It's about funny stories, memories, passion which are instilled when you are young and impressionable. Perhaps an oath of allegiance to The Pirate for the young whilst I mutter to the Rovers gnome bought for me? There will be some in the SC thinking of the term "whipper-snappers" whilst reading this. Whipper snappers can be fun but do they have they stamina for the long run. The Fa cup has shown us that youngsters are not into it anymore hence the very low gates. Our ageing fanbase want to be entertained on the pitch but clearly are now staying away.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2020 18:02:41 GMT
From what has been said I detect that TG and MS must feel as DC and GC did and have struggled to put their stamp on things? I have no insight, but that's the opposite of my impression - it seems to me that TG has done some good stuff, and MS in interviews is refreshingly clear they might not be able to affect the stadium etc, but within their remit they seem to me to have made their mark it will be interesting to hear MS tomoro
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:04:54 GMT
I am also pessimistic about the future. As a good friend of mine explained: the Soul of the Club has been ripped out and we are left with a mute Fanatasist. However, imagine the Club under fan ownership, given the toxic state of our supporter base, reflected on here and especially the other Forum. The thing that people overlook is our fan-base is dwindling as we are not attracting a younger fan base. To do this, it is not just about facilities, but creating an image of a football club that will attract younger supporters. Let us try not to emulate City, but offer something different. To do this, we need to pass the baton to that generation to market this FC but it needs a distinctive edge to it and we oldies will have to accept change. Excellent post Vaughan. Times have indeed changed and we desperately need a professional business person at the head of the Club, as opposed to a rich kid playing fantasy football. The Club is in a perilous place and changes need to happen NOW before one of our many creditors decides enough is enough. Previously when needed someone on the BOD as able to put his hand in his pocket and save the situation, but with a Board of only two Directors - what now? From what has been said I detect that TG and MS must feel as DC and GC did and have struggled to put their stamp on things? Vaughan may well be right in his thoughts on the next decade. Perhaps MS will give us the answers to GT tomorrow at 2.15 pm ? I guess we will all be listening? The club doesnt need a "professional business person" It needs capital and a plan for a sustainable future that provides for an exit route for that capital. In my opinion, no such exit route exists Hence chancers, fly by nights and dreamers get involved. Nobody, no one, with an ounce of common sense will touch our club with barge pole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:11:30 GMT
If we're going to use a Pirate, can we use a proper one and not the camp vaudeville effort we have now? have you looked at your avatar? Penelope is far from camp. Captain Jack maybe. Anyway, Ken Masters...club in crisis...Bert Tann out...various insults...time for tea.
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Post by fanatical on Jan 17, 2020 18:11:43 GMT
From what has been said I detect that TG and MS must feel as DC and GC did and have struggled to put their stamp on things? I have no insight, but that's the opposite of my impression - it seems to me that TG has done some good stuff, and MS in interviews is refreshingly clear they might not be able to affect the stadium etc, but within their remit they seem to me to have made their mark it will be interesting to hear MS tomoro So you suggest that TG and MS have found it easy to do their job and the money just flows? I do not - they need better than they get.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 17, 2020 18:14:15 GMT
I have no insight, but that's the opposite of my impression - it seems to me that TG has done some good stuff, and MS in interviews is refreshingly clear they might not be able to affect the stadium etc, but within their remit they seem to me to have made their mark it will be interesting to hear MS tomoro So you suggest that TG and MS have found it easy to do their job and the money just flows? I do not - they need better than they get. nope, I suggested that they have made their mark/put their stamp on things nowhere did I make reference to whether or not they found it easy to do their job, or whether the money 'just flows'. That's all your words
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 18:18:21 GMT
Excellent post Vaughan. Times have indeed changed and we desperately need a professional business person at the head of the Club, as opposed to a rich kid playing fantasy football. The Club is in a perilous place and changes need to happen NOW before one of our many creditors decides enough is enough. Previously when needed someone on the BOD as able to put his hand in his pocket and save the situation, but with a Board of only two Directors - what now? From what has been said I detect that TG and MS must feel as DC and GC did and have struggled to put their stamp on things? Vaughan may well be right in his thoughts on the next decade. Perhaps MS will give us the answers to GT tomorrow at 2.15 pm ? I guess we will all be listening? The club doesnt need a "professional business person" It needs capital and a plan for a sustainable future that provides for an exit route for that capital. In my opinion, no such exit route exists Hence chancers, fly by nights and dreamers get involved. Nobody, no one, with an ounce of common sense will touch our club with barge pole. Had a long chat today and at the end of it I asked the person if he would rather have taken the club over in 2006 with £2.5m of debt directly linked to the stadium purchase or today? The reply was, we all know who has ****** it up. I think there will be a massive need for fan involvement in the near future but I doubt it will be for ownership. There is a chance the club will survive but it wont be pretty for quite a few years.
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