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Post by stevek192 on Jan 2, 2020 11:11:55 GMT
I will start this report by immediately slating anybody who has already written off the Manager. We are supposed to be Bristol Rovers SUPPORTERS but in truth the reaction to yesterdays defeat by many on Facebook and on here and other sites is way worse than "the other lot" in their treatment of a Manager who has done wonders really transforming them from yearly relegation fight to definite challengers but at least they have given him plenty of chances!! Gasheads make no mistake it was always going to be a far from easy task to take over from a Manager who result wise had brought us a magnificent return in a year with a brand of football which though many disliked was the ONLY way you could play with the players we had. The obstacles which Coughlan faced are still there now but worsened by an injury list that would hit any team in the country. I don't care if we had appointed Steve Cotterell, Ian Holloway or ANother they would struggle with the task ahead because the players have all been playing to their limits within a strict defensive system which lots didn't like but was very effective. OK somebody comes in and plays exactly the same way and maintain results is that really what you want??
The bloke has had three games in a hectic period where there is only time to recover and go again- no time for coaching or for players to get over injuries and no transfers available until now anyway. Put yourself in his position- Could you have done anything about it- I would say that even Sir Alex Ferguson would struggle at this time with almost an entire team on the injured list and pretty well handcuffed into playing one way. Get a grip of yourselves and give him a Fair chance because I am telling you it will take little short of a miracle to be able to blend this team into a formidable unit whilst playing a completely different brand of football. I would go as far as to say that Ian Holloway and other Managers would have shied away from the job anyway! Just look at the injured list now Jaakkola, Little, Davies, Hare, Matthews, THD, Ollie Clarke, Ogogo, Smith and a 50% fit Clarke-Harris. Now think about how we can bring even more players in if you add to those Reilly, Mensah and Deon Moore who have all been on loan
Anyway enough of that- on to yesterdays match- yes it was pretty awful but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that the MK Dons team put out yesterday were a bottom four team-yes the table pre match showed them as that but they are a team who have been playing with no attack whatsoever due to injuries to key players- a position that we are now in! even yesterday could have been so different if Anssi hadn't had to go off after 4 minutes and if Leahy had put away the simple chance that followed which Nichols should have been given no chance whatsoever of saving.
Jaakkola NOLE Really hope he isn't going to be out long because he has been a rock in goal and it proved yesterday what happens if his regular worldies are not made!
Menayese 2 Looked like a man in a dream world totally lost for the entire period he was on the field. This can happen to a young player and he should have been replaced much earlier but what options were available? We have to stick with him because he won't play that bad again and we certainly were no better when the change was made .
Craig 4 Had a real off game where his lack of pace was really shown up and he should never have been turned so easily for the first goal but it really was a day where nobody played to their full capability and most were nowhere near it.
Kilgour 4.5 The best of a very poor central three or I could just as easily have said a poor entire team as we were lucky to get away with only three!
Rodman 2 No positive comment to make other than he wasn't injured!
Upson 4 This was his worst game of the season. He was played into trouble too often and his weaknesses were exposed rather than his strength. In truth he needs pacy players with him but that doesn't account for an unusual amount of poor passes he made.
Ogogo 1 Was not fit from the off but wanted to play. This would be my only criticism of the Manager yesterday- he shouldn't have played and didn't play.
Sercombe 5 The best of the midfield but even that wasn't a good performance.
Leahy 2.5 Missed a straightforward chance that could have changed the game and like the rest of the team it was just a well below par performance
Nichols 5 Normal Nichols game with nil goal return but showed a bit more skill than some around him.
Clarke-Harris 2 Arrogance personified. Lots of waving of arms and strolling about but on this performance we would be better off without him but only at the right price. the fact nobody else scores many goals makes his full fitness so important to us.
Subs: van Stappershoef 3 difficult to tell from so far away but looked at fault in some way on both second half goals especially the second where their striker appeared to just pass through him. May be being harsh but it certainly looked that way and I just can't be bothered to look at a replay of a terrible afternoon- once was enough!.
Hargreaves 5 showed some good skills but was never going to really influence the game where so many went missing.
Bennett NOLE
Crowd 5 A big following of over a 1000 did not deserve to have to witness this. As for MK Dons well all I can say is that their stadium is far far too big for them and a 8500 crowd seemed like about 2500.
Ref 1 Missed so many obvious decisions and got so much wrong - the only other person on the field who was as bad as us.
MK 6 I would say they are a middle to top ten team who are well capable of pushing on now.
Nobody deserved MOM as all were poor irrespective of the marks.
So what can Ben Garner do? As regards Sunday probably not much but longer term to change the style of football it is my belief that he will really have to do some wheelin' and dealin' but it won't be easy as we have too many players who are either injured or not good enough. Take the strikers- if we lose JCH I would if I could have a complete clear out because none of the existing ones have the capability to score goals regularly. In midfield we seriously lack any pace whatsoever and that is what BG needs to find whichever style of football he plans to play.
I firmly believe that given the chance by both supporters and the owners that BG could become a good Manager but I would say that a minimum of 5 players need to come in and that is with keeping JCH. I even think we may have to get another loan keeper in as well!
Despite all this doom and gloom I am looking forward to Sunday. UTG
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Post by bloogas on Jan 2, 2020 11:34:44 GMT
Thanks for the report Steve and I agree almost totally with it. I would only add that I was disappointed, as the third goal went in, to see what seemed like half the Gasheads around me walk out. Given the difficult circumstances the performance shouldn't have been a surprise. Credit must also go, as you say, to MK, who have just beaten Portsmouth and Oxford so obviously aren't that bad a team. Re BG, he's obviously been brought in to build a team by bringing on castoffs and our own youth. That would (in theory at least) save on transfer fees and pull the wages bill down. As you rightly say though - will he be given enough time?
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 2, 2020 11:43:13 GMT
Thanks Steve. I agree that criticism of the manager is unfair after just 3 games and we do have a lot of players on the treatment table.
But even when we have a fully fit starting XI you have to wonder where we'll end up this season. 50 points should see us safe! Only 14 to collect over 21 games. UTG.
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Post by vaughan on Jan 2, 2020 11:54:48 GMT
Thanks Steve.
It's almost that we have forgotten how poor we were in achieving 4th.
Outplayed by Bromley, Plymouth, Southend in first half and Bolton. Am I wrong?
So let's not re-write History. We were and still are a very average team in a poor League 1.
The only future we have is to develop younger players and to do this we need a Coach and a good Academy system. Otherwise you end up with the Kyle Bennetts of this world on inflated wages.
Football is a farce. Look at City - they have so many of their youngsters out on loan - O'Leary, Vyner, Morrell, Bakinson,Sanneh, Hinds, with Semenyo to follow. I lose count.
Let us go back to basics. Find youngsters, play youngsters, improve youngsters, sell a few youngsters and survive.
It's the only viable model.
I did laugh when someone objected to his puffer jacket. Please don't blame Garner, blame me instead. Since I was bought the Rovers gnome and he arrived in the house on Christmas Day, we haven't won. 😂
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Post by Trowbridge_Gas on Jan 2, 2020 14:55:53 GMT
Only the second time I’ve seen us this season (apart from TV games) and the performance backed up my feeling from afar that we’re in a false position in the table and will fade. Understand we aren’t normally that bad but blimey we were poor. Agree with the ratings except 2.5 for Leahy is pretty generous! Re: Nichols; easily our best player first half (admittedly a very low bar) but faded second - every time I’ve seen him he looks a decent player technically but his goal record speaks for itself ... prob needs to go elsewhere now as it’s just not going to happen for him here now. As for MK, still the soulless s**t bowl I remember from 10 years back, can’t see how there was 8k in there!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 15:12:10 GMT
Not having apologetics for instantly taking the team back to worse performances than we suffered when Clarke left.
Arsenal have the same injury problems, and the same schedule, OK, they have better players, but are facing better opposition, so the problem is the same. They've lost all of their back line, Tierney, Mustafi, Chambers and Bellerin.
Yesterday they were reduced to playing a back line of Papastathopoulos, David Luiz, Kolasinac, Maitland-Niles, that shower wouldn't start at any other PL club. But they are now harder to score against because they are better organised and a little bit fitter, and the players have respect for their new Gaffer.
These are professional athletes, if the club has competent fitness staff not only is the workload no issue, players can improve fitness as well, even at this time of year.
There's no excuse whatsoever for the feeble performances we've put in since our new manager has arrived.
Another point. Under the last manager, it would be interesting to see what our goals per-game ratio was when JCH didn't play, my gut feeling is that it was slightly better without him.
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Post by vaughan on Jan 2, 2020 15:26:38 GMT
I'm waiting for Garner has "lost the dressing room" garbage.
The best performance of the season was against Peterborough. So bin him off and appoint Maher instead. However, they have now lost 3 on the trot. Ferguson out?
It's all a pantomime, as proven by the unlucky gnome on my bedside Cabinet and Holloway talking up Grimsby.
Seriously, it's going to get worse for us. See our next set of League fixtures. All top half, apart from Bolton (don't scoff).
I reckon the gnome could be accidentally smashed by end of Jan. It's a results business and none of us can afford to be over-sentimental. I need to hold my nerve? Metaphor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 15:50:09 GMT
I'm waiting for Garner has "lost the dressing room" garbage. The best performance of the season was against Peterborough. So bin him off and appoint Maher instead. However, they have now lost 3 on the trot. Ferguson out? It's all a pantomime, as proven by the unlucky gnome on my bedside Cabinet and Holloway talking up Grimsby. Seriously, it's going to get worse for us. See our next set of League fixtures. All top half, apart from Bolton (don't scoff). I reckon the gnome could be accidentally smashed by end of Jan. It's a results business and none of us can afford to be over-sentimental. I need to hold my nerve? Metaphor. And we should be worried about teams in the top half of a very poor 3rd division because? If it's still like this after 3 more games then it will be fair to assume that new bloke has taken a team that was hard to beat and, in the blink of the eye, turned them in to a soft touch. At that point he should be thanked for having a go and sent on his way. We've made excuses for this type of situation in the past, you may remember, we ended up playing against part time teams as a result. Am I saying we are in danger of dropping out of the League? Of course not, what I'm saying is that it's apologetics of the type you and Steve are writing that lead clubs to sleepwalk into oblivion. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 2, 2020 15:51:37 GMT
Thank you for your report Steve, as with all the others last year and ones you continue to do in future.
I disagree though.
The manager picks the team, formation strategy and everything, ultimately the buck stops with him.
It always will do.
The Xmas period is busy for everyone, we can all say that, so why didn't he keep training and schedule to as before, then wait for a window to exert changes?
Maybe he's lost the dressing room...? 🎣
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Post by Global Gas on Jan 2, 2020 16:01:20 GMT
Great assessment, as always, Steve.
Garner has been here 10 days and had 3 games. That's down to 7 and then take away recovery days that's now 4. 1 day for preparing for the specific opposition leaves 1 day of actual training.
I think things would be very different if he hadn't come in at such a packed time and our current dip in form is 100% down to GC. Whether or not he left for the right reasons, the dip is his fault.
We need to give BG a good run of games AND training sessions before making any snap judgments.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 2, 2020 16:07:49 GMT
I will start this report by immediately slating anybody who has already written off the Manager. We are supposed to be Bristol Rovers SUPPORTERS but in truth the reaction to yesterdays defeat by many on Facebook and on here and other sites is way worse than "the other lot" in their treatment of a Manager who has done wonders really transforming them from yearly relegation fight to definite challengers but at least they have given him plenty of chances!! Gasheads make no mistake it was always going to be a far from easy task to take over from a Manager who result wise had brought us a magnificent return in a year with a brand of football which though many disliked was the ONLY way you could play with the players we had. The obstacles which Coughlan faced arestill there now but worsened by an injury list that would hit any team in the country. I don't care if we had appointed Steve Cotterell, Ian Holloway or ANother they would struggle with the task ahead because the players have all been playing to their limits within a strict defensivepp system which lots didn't like but was very effective. OK somebody comes in and plays exactly the same way and maintain results is that really what you want?? The bloke has had three games in a hectic period where there is only time to recover and go again- no time for coaching or for players to get over injuries and no transfers available until now anyway. Put yourself in his position- Could you have done anything about it- I would say that even Sir Alex Ferguson would struggle at this time with almost an entire team on the injured list and pretty well handcuffed into playing one way. Get a grip of yourselves and give him a Fair chance because I am telling you it will take little short of a miracle to be able to blend this team into a formidable unit whilst playing a completely different brand of football. I would go as far as to say that Ian Holloway and other Managers would have shied away from the job anyway! Just look at the injured list now Jaakkola, Little, Davies, Hare, Matthews, THD, Ollie Clarke, Ogogo, Smith and a 50% fit Clarke-Harris. Now think about how we can bring even more players in if you add to those Reilly, Mensah and Deon Moore who have all been on loan Anyway enough of that- on to yesterdays match- yes it was pretty awful but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that the MK Dons team put out yesterday were a bottom four team-yes the table pre match showed them as that but they are a team who have been playing with no attack whatsoever due to injuries to key players- a position that we are now in! even yesterday could have been so different if Anssi hadn't had to go off after 4 minutes and if Leahy had put away the simple chance that followed which Nichols should have been given no chance whatsoever of saving. Jaakkola NOLE Really hope he isn't going to be out long because he has been a rock in goal and it proved yesterday what happens if his regular worldies are not made! Menayese 2 Looked like a man in a dream world totally lost for the entire period he was on the field. This can happen to a young player and he should have been replaced much earlier but what options were available? We have to stick with him because he won't play that bad again and we certainly were no better when the change was made . Craig 4 Had a real off game where his lack of pace was really shown up and he should never have been turned so easily for the first goal but it really was a day where nobody played to their full capability and most were nowhere near it. Kilgour 4.5 The best of a very poor central three or I could just as easily have said a poor entire team as we were lucky to get away with only three! Rodman 2 No positive comment to make other than he wasn't injured! Upson 4 This was his worst game of the season. He was played into trouble too often and his weaknesses were exposed rather than his strength. In truth he needs pacy players with him but that doesn't account for an unusual amount of poor passes he made. Ogogo 1 Was not fit from the off but wanted to play. This would be my only criticism of the Manager yesterday- he shouldn't have played and didn't play. Sercombe 5 The best of the midfield but even that wasn't a good performance. Leahy 2.5 Missed a straightforward chance that could have changed the game and like the rest of the team it was just a well below par performance Nichols 5 Normal Nichols game with nil goal return but showed a bit more skill than some around him. Clarke-Harris 2 Arrogance personified. Lots of waving of arms and strolling about but on this performance we would be better off without him but only at the right price. the fact nobody else scores many goals makes his full fitness so important to us. Subs: van Stappershoef 3 difficult to tell from so far away but looked at fault in some way on both second half goals especially the second where their striker appeared to just pass through him. May be being harsh but it certainly looked that way and I just can't be bothered to look at a replay of a terrible afternoon- once was enough!. Hargreaves 5 showed some good skills but was never going to really influence the game where so many went missing. Bennett NOLE Crowd 5 A big following of over a 1000 did not deserve to have to witness this. As for MK Dons well all I can say is that their stadium is far far too big for them and a 8500 crowd seemed like about 2500. Ref 1 Missed so many obvious decisions and got so much wrong - the only other person on the field who was as bad as us. MK 6 I would say they are a middle to top ten team who are well capable of pushing on now. Nobody deserved MOM as all were poor irrespective of the marks. So what can Ben Garner do? As regards Sunday probably not much but longer term to change the style of football it is my belief that he will really have to do some wheelin' and dealin' but it won't be easy as we have too many players who are either injured or not good enough. Take the strikers- if we lose JCH I would if I could have a complete clear out because none of the existing ones have the capability to score goals regularly. In midfield we seriously lack any pace whatsoever and that is what BG needs to find whichever style of football he plans to play. I firmly believe that given the chance by both supporters and the owners that BG could become a good Manager but I would say that a minimum of 5 players need to come in and that is with keeping JCH. I even think we may have to get another loan keeper in as well! Despite all this doom and gloom I am looking forward to Sunday. UTG A lot here that I don't agree with. Firstly I haven't seen anything on here that compares in any way with the "other lot". Normally when you change a manager you get a positive reaction even if short lived. We've gone completely the opposite way and our performances and results have tanked with every player performing more poorly than before. I was no great enthusiast of Coughlan's brand of football but it was effective and it seems to me that he simplified things for the players. Yesterday's performance looked like all that had been removed and it looked like things had been over complicated for them, especially in defence where the whole back line was at sixes and sevens and it appeared that no one knew who was marking who. Who knows what has gone on behind closed doors but if BG has radically tried to transform the system we've been using overnight then we should be very worried that he's completely out of his depth. I hope I am seriously wrong about this and that in ten games time I am eating my words but all the red lights are flashing at the moment in my opinion. The injury list is an excuse as far as I am concerned. It is an opportunity for some of the fringe players and academy players to stake a claim for a place the way Rollin and Alfie have done. If they are good enough they'll make the most of the chance they get. If the way to maintain results is to play the same way as before BG arrived then I'm all for that. Re performances yesterday I too thought van Stappershoef could have done better on all 3 goals but they were not as a result of mistakes he made and made a good save from the free kick so gets 5 from me. Rodders and Craig I agree on. Kilgour had a stinker and was at fault for two (possibly all 3) of the goals so gets 2 from me. He is young though and has performed well to date so put that one down to a bad day at the office. Menayese was the best of a bad bunch at the back so gets 6 in my book. Leahy curate's egg performance - some good and some poor bits. Good blocks, clearance off the line but easily outpaced by their winger - 4.5 in my book. Upson was terrible - invisible and no impact whatsoever so 2 from me. Ogogo at least put a few tackles in when on the pitch so 4. Agree on Sercs, JCH. Would give Nichols 6 mainly for first half effort but he too faded in 2nd half. Thought Hargreaves was poor with no impact whatsoever - 3 but excusable with lack of experience. Bennett did liven us up but as ever no end product from him. I thought us supporters were as flat as the team and very quiet - in marked contrast to a similar sized away following at Ipswich, so 2 for us. Thought the ref was one of the better ones we've had and like the fact that he wasn't card happy so 7 from me. MK club stealers were not very good but didn't need to be as we gift wrapped the game for them. 3 in my opinion, but liked the look of Healey who made a mug of Alfie and TC in the first half. First visit to this Stadium and in no hurry to return - plastic club with no amosphere in a Stadium far too big for them (we should take care to avoid this trap if ever in the next 1000 years we get a new home ourselves). They can stick their fecking drum up their arses sideways too. |
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Post by vaughan on Jan 2, 2020 16:33:34 GMT
After 9 days, Steve K, who is a Captain Sensible IMHO, is guilty of "sleepwalking into oblivion" with his demand for patience?
I have promised to smash the gnome, so please don't tar me with the same brush.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 2, 2020 16:33:52 GMT
I would genuinely rather stay at the Mem than get stuck in a soulless bowl like Franchise FC. (Oh - and remember the crowd size also includes everyone who went into Primark, KFC and River Island over the Christmas period).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 16:56:25 GMT
After 9 days, Steve K, who is a Captain Sensible IMHO, is guilty of "sleepwalking into oblivion" with his demand for patience? I have promised to smash the gnome, so please don't tar me with the same brush. 😂😂😂 But you were making the same sounds as him. Anyway, things have been woeful since this new geezer landed, don't let losing become a habit that's difficult to break, that's all. We did that before, it ended up with us playing against plasterers and electricians. I'll promise you this much, if we are up to our necks in trouble, there's nobody going to come out of the owners' box and give a Churchillian speech to rouse the squad, it's going to be down to the players and the coaching staff. |
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Post by vaughan on Jan 2, 2020 17:04:12 GMT
There is nothing too wrong with the attitude of this squad. They have over-achieved as a consequence.
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Post by Rex on Jan 2, 2020 17:04:42 GMT
Thanks Steve. It's almost that we have forgotten how poor we were in achieving 4th. Outplayed by Bromley, Plymouth, Southend in first half and Bolton. Am I wrong?So let's not re-write History. We were and still are a very average team in a poor League 1. The only future we have is to develop younger players and to do this we need a Coach and a good Academy system. Otherwise you end up with the Kyle Bennetts of this world on inflated wages. Football is a farce. Look at City - they have so many of their youngsters out on loan - O'Leary, Vyner, Morrell, Bakinson,Sanneh, Hinds, with Semenyo to follow. I lose count. Let us go back to basics. Find youngsters, play youngsters, improve youngsters, sell a few youngsters and survive. It's the only viable model. I did laugh when someone objected to his puffer jacket. Please don't blame Garner, blame me instead. Since I was bought the Rovers gnome and he arrived in the house on Christmas Day, we haven't won. 😂 In the overall point you seem to be trying to make, yes, I think you are. Of the games you mentioned, two were cup games that we ultimately progressed in, one we won and the other we lost (one of only five games all season lost under GC) Who cares whether we had a grim first half against Southend, it's irrelevant because we tore them a new one in the second half and won the game. Coughlan was a decent manager who got FA in the way of support from the board and little from the terraces as well , something which I believe, was a significant factor in his departure. I will get behind Garner because there is no alternative, but I will be amazed if he does as well as GC did here. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 3, 2020 9:46:34 GMT
I'm waiting for Garner has "lost the dressing room" garbage. The best performance of the season was against Peterborough. So bin him off and appoint Maher instead. However, they have now lost 3 on the trot. Ferguson out? It's all a pantomime, as proven by the unlucky gnome on my bedside Cabinet and Holloway talking up Grimsby. Seriously, it's going to get worse for us. See our next set of League fixtures. All top half, apart from Bolton (don't scoff). I reckon the gnome could be accidentally smashed by end of Jan. It's a results business and none of us can afford to be over-sentimental. I need to hold my nerve? Metaphor. And we should be worried about teams in the top half of a very poor 3rd division because? If it's still like this after 3 more games then it will be fair to assume that new bloke has taken a team that was hard to beat and, in the blink of the eye, turned them in to a soft touch. At that point he should be thanked for having a go and sent on his way. We've made excuses for this type of situation in the past, you may remember, we ended up playing against part time teams as a result. Am I saying we are in danger of dropping out of the League? Of course not, what I'm saying is that it's apologetics of the type you and Steve are writing that lead clubs to sleepwalk into oblivion. We had the revolving door of managers whilst under NH and that ended with us being relegated out if the league |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 11:01:02 GMT
And we should be worried about teams in the top half of a very poor 3rd division because? If it's still like this after 3 more games then it will be fair to assume that new bloke has taken a team that was hard to beat and, in the blink of the eye, turned them in to a soft touch. At that point he should be thanked for having a go and sent on his way. We've made excuses for this type of situation in the past, you may remember, we ended up playing against part time teams as a result. Am I saying we are in danger of dropping out of the League? Of course not, what I'm saying is that it's apologetics of the type you and Steve are writing that lead clubs to sleepwalk into oblivion. We had the revolving door of managers whilst under NH and that ended with us being relegated out if the league Chicken and egg KP. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 3, 2020 11:09:05 GMT
We had the revolving door of managers whilst under NH and that ended with us being relegated out if the league Chicken and egg KP. Fair comment but I just don’t see our current owners being the type to change a manager. It would cost too much at a time when they close a stand due to costs. I’ve a feeling there is more to Mike Turner going than is being talked about. We shall see |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 3, 2020 11:20:41 GMT
Thanks for the time Steve. Have kept away since the match. Don’t disagree with your judgements but with no goals from open play in three matches BG is definitely under pressure already. We do need to be patient with him as it is obviously a long term appointment. I guess a bit of a free hit in the next two cup matches but he needs to come up with an answer pretty soon. In the end the players we have are the players we have and he needs to use what we’ve got to get some results.
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