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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2019 11:54:06 GMT
I leave the winks to Henbury Gas. I am much more prepared to believe DC (they are undertaking due diligence - Sept 2018) and Alistair Durden (credible source, coupled with Alistair's trustworthy face đ) than anyone on Gaschat. I will stick with my view on Wael Al Qadi though and his Fantasy Football world. I have not heard anyone from inside the club who disagrees with the essence of that sentiment. In the end, that disparity between words ans action is why DC left. If there's any truth in this rumour why is an individual who's prepared to invest upwards of ÂŁ100m in the club not prepared to go public, if he did then surely the ALQ's would be forced to sell PDQ by the supporters if they got wind Wael was trying to stop the club progressing? Also Topper, if this person is supposedly a Gashead and wants to be a 'White Knight' why don't they just buy the club now. Or is this someone who wants to wait and will only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium build.....
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 19, 2019 12:21:58 GMT
If there's any truth in this rumour why is an individual who's prepared to invest upwards of ÂŁ100m in the club not prepared to go public, if he did then surely the ALQ's would be forced to sell PDQ by the supporters if they got wind Wael was trying to stop the club progressing? Also Topper, if this person is supposedly a Gashead and wants to be a 'White Knight' why don't they just buy the club now. Or is this someone who wants to wait and will only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium build..... That's the more important question isn't it to so some degree.
People want the Al-Qadi's to sell up, or accuse Wael of trying to scupper a deal etc, but what are the intentions of said prospective new owner? Will we be better off, or just a side arm of some bigger vanity/ego project? a means to an end?
I almost don't give a s**t anymore. Happy watching and supporting the team whatever it's limitations, whatever the division and being old and boring about that
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Post by billyocean on Aug 20, 2019 9:45:54 GMT
Interesting that the length of the equivalent thread at the other place remains at approximately six times the length of this one over time. Felt it necessary to point this out and add something insightful Alas, even this insight was wrong in a thread devoid of anything insightful. Itâs now running at eight times the length at the other place. If left unchecked the server could run out of disk space and bring down the forum
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Post by irishrover on Aug 20, 2019 11:44:45 GMT
Interesting that the length of the equivalent thread at the other place remains at approximately six times the length of this one over time. Felt it necessary to point this out and add something insightful Alas, even this insight was wrong in a thread devoid of anything insightful. Itâs now running at eight times the length at the other place. If left unchecked the server could run out of disk space and bring down the forum No I'm pretty sure that when civilisation collapses, the internet conks out and we are forced into eking out an existance on the margins someone will still have taken the neccesary steps to ensure that a Rovers forum is out there somewhere to discuss stadium rumours. 'Hey, did anyone see that post over on the One Team in Westcountry Fallout Zone 7 forum by ZombieKidintheDarwinistdesperatescrambleforfood saying that the robotic killing machine that is currently using what is left of the Mem as its power up base has applied for planning permission to build a 20k stadium in the middle of the swamp that used to be the Downs. It claims that it needs to maximise non-matchday income and maiming opportunities by building hotel, conference facilities and a pit of despair. But residents are objecting it will spoil the view of the permanent inferno at Portishead and the council say its not in the right killing zone. Plus I'm not convinced the Robot is capable of raising the funding to pay for it as it has been promising the fans things it can't deliver for some time now. All clearly designed to distract from our dismal start to the season last week in which 4 players died of radiation poisoning in a 0-0 draw at Crewe. #I'll believe it when I'm sitting in it. #I'll never be undead to see this'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 12:41:12 GMT
If there's any truth in this rumour why is an individual who's prepared to invest upwards of ÂŁ100m in the club not prepared to go public, if he did then surely the ALQ's would be forced to sell PDQ by the supporters if they got wind Wael was trying to stop the club progressing?  Also Topper, if this person is supposedly a Gashead and wants to be a 'White Knight' why don't they just buy the club now. Or is this someone who wants to wait and will only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium build..... Of course they will wait and only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium. If you won 50 million on the lottery, being the staunch Gashead you are you would throw 20 million of it away buying the club out of all itâs debt and then maybe build it a stadium with the remaining 30 million wouldnât you? Wouldnât you?! Nevermind being a Rovers fan you would have to either be absolutely certifiably mental or rich on a Lansdown scale to buy into Rovers as things stand. The debt is just too big for anyone to get involved in because once the debt is paid off there is still epic work that needs to be done to build the remaining infrastructure, not just the stadium but the training facilities too. This is where the AQâs are not being given the criticism they richly deserve on the other forum. The whole reason that any potential sale is contingent on the stadium land is because they have pushed the barrier to entry so high with their inflation of the debt. The club in itâs current guise is a bloody atrocious value proposition. The best thing DS could do at this point is take a hit on their liabilities and pay the price for their reckless spending and sell the club at a realistic price. But with them being bankers you just know they will cling on until they can get the full value of their liability back, maybe even make a profit when the interest is factored in on top. It will be an expert lesson to everyone about how financial incompetence can pay handsomely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 13:44:38 GMT
If there's any truth in this rumour why is an individual who's prepared to invest upwards of ÂŁ100m in the club not prepared to go public, if he did then surely the ALQ's would be forced to sell PDQ by the supporters if they got wind Wael was trying to stop the club progressing? Also Topper, if this person is supposedly a Gashead and wants to be a 'White Knight' why don't they just buy the club now. Or is this someone who wants to wait and will only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium build..... Where was this person when Higgs had a funding gap with the Sainsbury's deal? It's all too tedious to even think about.
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Post by simonj on Aug 20, 2019 14:18:26 GMT
Also Topper, if this person is supposedly a Gashead and wants to be a 'White Knight' why don't they just buy the club now. Or is this someone who wants to wait and will only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium build..... Where was this person when Higgs had a funding gap with the Sainsbury's deal? It's all too tedious to even think about. We have had some good people with some good thoughts and intentions, but actions speak louder than words. In our new owners this was something I was definitely hanging my hope hat on, alas...âŚ.
One day our fortunes will change, but where we find ourselves at this point who knows. I for one, only hope for a new stand, a roof or so and a little more investment in the squad, another caring club manager with ability, a fanbase that is passionate and who love the club, creating an envious atmosphere on and off the field. My fear is we have lost nearly all that we were famed for, maybe not famed, but certainly respected for.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 20, 2019 14:43:48 GMT
Also Topper, if this person is supposedly a Gashead and wants to be a 'White Knight' why don't they just buy the club now. Or is this someone who wants to wait and will only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium build..... Of course they will wait and only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium. If you won 50 million on the lottery, being the staunch Gashead you are you would throw 20 million of it away buying the club out of all itâs debt and then maybe build it a stadium with the remaining 30 million wouldnât you? Wouldnât you?! Nevermind being a Rovers fan you would have to either be absolutely certifiably mental or rich on a Lansdown scale to buy into Rovers as things stand. The debt is just too big for anyone to get involved in because once the debt is paid off there is still epic work that needs to be done to build the remaining infrastructure, not just the stadium but the training facilities too. This is where the AQâs are not being given the criticism they richly deserve on the other forum. The whole reason that any potential sale is contingent on the stadium land is because they have pushed the barrier to entry so high with their inflation of the debt. The club in itâs current guise is a bloody atrocious value proposition. The best thing DS could do at this point is take a hit on their liabilities and pay the price for their reckless spending and sell the club at a realistic price. But with them being bankers you just know they will cling on until they can get the full value of their liability back, maybe even make a profit when the interest is factored in on top. It will be an expert lesson to everyone about how financial incompetence can pay handsomely. "This is where the AQâs are not being given the criticism they richly deserve on the other forum". Damn right. There are a few real Wael acolytes at the other place that just will not countenance any criticism of the owners. Because a couple of them are Mods they are 'leading' the debate so that some of the hard of understanding are still giving them (unbelievably) the benefit of doubt. These dullards believe that Hani, Wael, AQ Senior, and Sami take turns writing out a ÂŁ65k cheque each week to keep our club going. They just don't get it. Dwane Sports have squandered the equity that they inherited in the Memorial Stadium. We can't ever get that back. Any potential buyer would have to pay for Dwane Sports expensive mistakes, and the price tag goes up ÂŁ250k a month. Unless of course Dwane Sports walk away and take a financial hit. Yeah - bankers really like doing that. For this, I will never forgive them. Unless Dwane Sports want to start writing off the BRFC debt of course. Writing off the 6% interest they are charging BRFC would be a good starting point. Unlikely though it is that this will ever happen, I would of course re-evaluate my feelings towards them at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 15:09:02 GMT
Of course they will wait and only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium. If you won 50 million on the lottery, being the staunch Gashead you are you would throw 20 million of it away buying the club out of all itâs debt and then maybe build it a stadium with the remaining 30 million wouldnât you? Wouldnât you?! Nevermind being a Rovers fan you would have to either be absolutely certifiably mental or rich on a Lansdown scale to buy into Rovers as things stand. The debt is just too big for anyone to get involved in because once the debt is paid off there is still epic work that needs to be done to build the remaining infrastructure, not just the stadium but the training facilities too. This is where the AQâs are not being given the criticism they richly deserve on the other forum. The whole reason that any potential sale is contingent on the stadium land is because they have pushed the barrier to entry so high with their inflation of the debt. The club in itâs current guise is a bloody atrocious value proposition. The best thing DS could do at this point is take a hit on their liabilities and pay the price for their reckless spending and sell the club at a realistic price. But with them being bankers you just know they will cling on until they can get the full value of their liability back, maybe even make a profit when the interest is factored in on top. It will be an expert lesson to everyone about how financial incompetence can pay handsomely. "This is where the AQâs are not being given the criticism they richly deserve on the other forum". Damn right. There are a few real Wael acolytes at the other place that just will not countenance any criticism of the owners. Because a couple of them are Mods they are 'leading' the debate so that some of the hard of understanding are still giving them (unbelievably) the benefit of doubt.  These dullards believe that Hani, Wael, AQ Senior, and Sami take turns writing out a ÂŁ65k cheque each week to keep our club going. They just don't get it. Dwane Sports have squandered the equity that they inherited in the Memorial Stadium. We can't ever get that back. Any potential buyer would have to pay for Dwane Sports expensive mistakes, and the price tag goes up ÂŁ250k a month. Unless of course Dwane Sports walk away and take a financial hit. Yeah - bankers really like doing that. For this, I will never forgive them. Unless Dwane Sports want to start writing off the BRFC debt of course. Writing off the 6% interest they are charging BRFC would be a good starting point. Unlikely though it is that this will ever happen, I would of course re-evaluate my feelings towards them at that point. Yep, itâs interesting that one in particular was quite critical of Wael, one of the first to be critical of him in fact and yet now defends him to the point of almost being his PR spokesperson. It was also interesting that a member of the Hamer/Masters cartel indicated that the aforementioned mod has some sort of business relationship with Wael so that gives some indication perhaps why the poacher has suddenly turned gamekeeper so drastically. Itâs just yet another symptom of how dysfunctional this club has become. A board divided into two factions who are both on a charm offensive to spread their message and smear others on the clubâs main forum. Couple that with the glorified PE teacher who wears a Celtic tracksuit in the dugout, no goals in 3 league games and it really feels that, bar the fact we still play in league one all the good feeling that DC brought back has been utterly undone and we are in a savage mess that looks like it is going to culminate in another cycle of Ward and McGhee-esque managerial appointments once the PE teacher has been given his cards. Treading water until the inevitable relegation and root and branch review conducted by our esteemed President. The only thing that can now halt this sad decline is if a new owner can inject a bit of spirit but if the rumours are right that they are waiting for stadium land first (and why the hell shouldnât they?) and they have so far made just the one offer for the fruit market land then I wonât be holding my breath for a quick resolution. Itâs going to get a lot worse before it gets better, I feel.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 20, 2019 15:12:48 GMT
Also Topper, if this person is supposedly a Gashead and wants to be a 'White Knight' why don't they just buy the club now. Or is this someone who wants to wait and will only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium build..... Of course they will wait and only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium. If you won 50 million on the lottery, being the staunch Gashead you are you would throw 20 million of it away buying the club out of all itâs debt and then maybe build it a stadium with the remaining 30 million wouldnât you? Wouldnât you?! Nevermind being a Rovers fan you would have to either be absolutely certifiably mental or rich on a Lansdown scale to buy into Rovers as things stand. The debt is just too big for anyone to get involved in because once the debt is paid off there is still epic work that needs to be done to build the remaining infrastructure, not just the stadium but the training facilities too. This is where the AQâs are not being given the criticism they richly deserve on the other forum. The whole reason that any potential sale is contingent on the stadium land is because they have pushed the barrier to entry so high with their inflation of the debt. The club in itâs current guise is a bloody atrocious value proposition. The best thing DS could do at this point is take a hit on their liabilities and pay the price for their reckless spending and sell the club at a realistic price. But with them being bankers you just know they will cling on until they can get the full value of their liability back, maybe even make a profit when the interest is factored in on top. It will be an expert lesson to everyone about how financial incompetence can pay handsomely. One of the criticisms being aimed at the current owners (and I am not defending them just pointing out the hypocrisy) is that they are not supporters and are looking to make money our of the Gas. Therefore i those in the know believe this and they believe that the person interested is a supporter why doesn't that person put their money where their mouth is. Because that person (if they exist and the ITKs haven't proved they do) is looking to make money out of the Rovers just like the AQs are. So one is no better than the other. As a Gashead if I won the lottery as you say I would look for others to invest and seek the valued abilities and knowledge of the Gasheads out there who have in the past either been involved with Rovers or who have knowledge and skills necessary to build, operate and run a stadium and football team. They do exist. I would also contact the people I know involved with football and mergers and acquisitions for their views before making a bid. I wouldn't tell a few special people to spread gossip on football forums.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 16:19:50 GMT
Of course they will wait and only buy the club if they can make money out of a new stadium. If you won 50 million on the lottery, being the staunch Gashead you are you would throw 20 million of it away buying the club out of all itâs debt and then maybe build it a stadium with the remaining 30 million wouldnât you? Wouldnât you?! Nevermind being a Rovers fan you would have to either be absolutely certifiably mental or rich on a Lansdown scale to buy into Rovers as things stand. The debt is just too big for anyone to get involved in because once the debt is paid off there is still epic work that needs to be done to build the remaining infrastructure, not just the stadium but the training facilities too. This is where the AQâs are not being given the criticism they richly deserve on the other forum. The whole reason that any potential sale is contingent on the stadium land is because they have pushed the barrier to entry so high with their inflation of the debt. The club in itâs current guise is a bloody atrocious value proposition. The best thing DS could do at this point is take a hit on their liabilities and pay the price for their reckless spending and sell the club at a realistic price. But with them being bankers you just know they will cling on until they can get the full value of their liability back, maybe even make a profit when the interest is factored in on top. It will be an expert lesson to everyone about how financial incompetence can pay handsomely. One of the criticisms being aimed at the current owners (and I am not defending them just pointing out the hypocrisy) is that they are not supporters and are looking to make money our of the Gas. Therefore i those in the know believe this and they believe that the person interested is a supporter why doesn't that person put their money where their mouth is. Because that person (if they exist and the ITKs haven't proved they do) is looking to make money out of the Rovers just like the AQs are. So one is no better than the other. As a Gashead if I won the lottery as you say I would look for others to invest and seek the valued abilities and knowledge of the Gasheads out there who have in the past either been involved with Rovers or who have knowledge and skills necessary to build, operate and run a stadium and football team. They do exist. I would also contact the people I know involved with football and mergers and acquisitions for their views before making a bid. I wouldn't tell a few special people to spread gossip on football forums. Close to a perfect post. Look at Kroenke, probably can't tie his own shoe laces, but surrounds himself with experts, and makes deals happen. The last bit is critical as well, in my experience, serious people aren't one bit interested in impressing people on forums with gossip, they are driven by whatever they view to be success, that's normally either money, power, peer recognition or salvaging order out of chaos.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 20, 2019 17:24:28 GMT
Its not the hope that kills you, its all the ITK bolloxs
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2019 17:33:56 GMT
"This is where the AQâs are not being given the criticism they richly deserve on the other forum". Damn right. There are a few real Wael acolytes at the other place that just will not countenance any criticism of the owners. Because a couple of them are Mods they are 'leading' the debate so that some of the hard of understanding are still giving them (unbelievably) the benefit of doubt. These dullards believe that Hani, Wael, AQ Senior, and Sami take turns writing out a ÂŁ65k cheque each week to keep our club going. They just don't get it. Dwane Sports have squandered the equity that they inherited in the Memorial Stadium. We can't ever get that back. Any potential buyer would have to pay for Dwane Sports expensive mistakes, and the price tag goes up ÂŁ250k a month. Unless of course Dwane Sports walk away and take a financial hit. Yeah - bankers really like doing that. For this, I will never forgive them. Unless Dwane Sports want to start writing off the BRFC debt of course. Writing off the 6% interest they are charging BRFC would be a good starting point. Unlikely though it is that this will ever happen, I would of course re-evaluate my feelings towards them at that point. Yep, itâs interesting that one in particular was quite critical of Wael, one of the first to be critical of him in fact and yet now defends him to the point of almost being his PR spokesperson. It was also interesting that a member of the Hamer/Masters cartel indicated that the aforementioned mod has some sort of business relationship with Wael so that gives some indication perhaps why the poacher has suddenly turned gamekeeper so drastically. Itâs just yet another symptom of how dysfunctional this club has become. A board divided into two factions who are both on a charm offensive to spread their message and smear others on the clubâs main forum. Couple that with the glorified PE teacher who wears a Celtic tracksuit in the dugout, no goals in 3 league games and it really feels that, bar the fact we still play in league one all the good feeling that DC brought back has been utterly undone and we are in a savage mess that looks like it is going to culminate in another cycle of Ward and McGhee-esque managerial appointments once the PE teacher has been given his cards. Treading water until the inevitable relegation and root and branch review conducted by our esteemed President. The only thing that can now halt this sad decline is if a new owner can inject a bit of spirit but if the rumours are right that they are waiting for stadium land first (and why the hell shouldnât they?) and they have so far made just the one offer for the fruit market land then I wonât be holding my breath for a quick resolution. Itâs going to get a lot worse before it gets better, I feel. If the rumours are true and they have made just the one rejected offer it does make you wonder how intent they are on building the stadium/buying the club, if they can't even pay the full going rate for the land, then how are they going to fund a ÂŁ40m/ÂŁ50m stadium build plus buy out the ALQ's, unless they are now trying to force the ALQ's to sell the club at a lower price/at a loss to help fund the land etc, hence why the ITK'ers are making so much noise on the other forum, although using a couple of OAP's and a self confessed ex-Tote Ender to try and force though a deal seems a sad state of affairs.
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Post by billyocean on Aug 20, 2019 19:45:06 GMT
Initial interview and subsequent BBC report was August 3 and said the next 2-3 weeks critical. By my calculations August 24 marks the end of this critical period which is this Saturday so expect an announcement over the tannoy just before kick off
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 21, 2019 9:36:47 GMT
Initial interview and subsequent BBC report was August 3 and said the next 2-3 weeks critical. By my calculations August 24 marks the end of this critical period which is this Saturday so expect an announcement over the tannoy just before kick off And I thought I was the cynical and sarcastic one! And nice nod towards are non-functioning pa system. Quality guzzling.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 10:28:46 GMT
Roadman on the other forum now says end of September although there is growing confidence that the fruit market will be sold and things will start to happen. What is unclear is whether it will be sold to DS or a party interested in buying the club.
I know these things take time but for me, itâs yet more âjam tomorrowâ. Werenât we told October back in August 2018?
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Post by vaughan on Aug 22, 2019 8:16:25 GMT
In an amazing twist on the other Forum, Knowall has finally revealed himself to be Roy Cowell, 76, ex Pres Club member.
So we have Tote End Brian and Roy stoking the fires of intrigue.
Have fun.
My favourite line was some wag who said that his post was akin to an AA moment for ITKs. đ
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 8:37:43 GMT
In an amazing twist on the other Forum, Knowall has finally revealed himself to be Roy Cowell, 76, ex Pres Club member. I guess we'll all need a hobby when we retire. Model making, gardening, beasting with the SAS, talking utter s**te on football forums, that sort of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 9:51:18 GMT
In an amazing twist on the other Forum, Knowall has finally revealed himself to be Roy Cowell, 76, ex Pres Club member. I guess we'll all need a hobby when we retire. Model making, gardening, beasting with the SAS, talking utter s***e on football forums, that sort of thing. Don't need to retire for the latter.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 22, 2019 9:52:00 GMT
Maybe dad is the leak
Abdulkader Abdullah Al-Qadi, is the current President of The Bristol Rovers Presidentâs Club
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