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Post by gasser on Nov 30, 2018 21:28:26 GMT
I have been waiting for some mention about Olly’s article in the Evil Post.
apart from being a wonderful Olly metaphor-fest, it does say what many fans are thinking.
As Olly seems to havengreat respect for D.C. and vice versa... is a director of football role a possibility?
With His contacts and profile we might be able to attract some decent players?
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Post by DudeLebowski on Nov 30, 2018 22:31:46 GMT
I’m sure DC would rather walk.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 1, 2018 12:26:46 GMT
I’m sure DC would rather walk. As Greavsie said, it’s a funny old game. what use is this Withrington guy if we haven’t got funds to buy ? Seems we could look at cutting some of these experts first. That should give us a few quid |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 1, 2018 14:53:25 GMT
I’m sure DC would rather walk. As Greavsie said, it’s a funny old game. what use is this Withrington guy if we haven’t got funds to buy ? Seems we could look at cutting some of these experts first. That should give us a few quid Brilliant! Exactly this point, why employ someone when you can't afford the advice they give?! Unless of course, we are all being deceived. ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 16:41:25 GMT
As Greavsie said, it’s a funny old game. what use is this Withrington guy if we haven’t got funds to buy ? Seems we could look at cutting some of these experts first. That should give us a few quid Brilliant! Exactly this point, why employ someone when you can't afford the advice they give?! Unless of course, we are all being deceived. ? Surely at league one level and below the head of recruitment is looking for players that cost very little or nothing but turn out to be gems. Like ronan curtis who pompey signed from derry city for £100,000 or lee brown who they snapped up on a free from bristol rovers. Both players have been outstanding this season by all accounts. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 2, 2018 11:18:16 GMT
I have been waiting for some mention about Olly’s article in the Evil Post. apart from being a wonderful Olly metaphor-fest, it does say what many fans are thinking. As Olly seems to havengreat respect for D.C. and vice versa... is a director of football role a possibility? With His contacts and profile we might be able to attract some decent players? Is this the article that basically said why cant we be more like City |
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Post by LPGas on Dec 3, 2018 17:50:38 GMT
The problem with Rovers fans, and to be honest Bristol in general they are always looking back. Indeed the Supporters club has an 92 night or so on. If you want a better club then you need to constantly move forward. It's the same with players, Sinclair's best days are behind them Noooo says the crowd we cannot do without him. Well actually we can. We made a mistake asking Gerry back, and then made another mistake asking Ward back. The last thing we need is Holloway back. remember he won noting with us despite spending a lot of money, and he has been sacked from every job since.
No doubt he is hanging around hoping
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 4, 2018 0:57:42 GMT
The problem with Rovers fans, and to be honest Bristol in general they are always looking back. Indeed the Supporters club has an 92 night or so on. If you want a better club then you need to constantly move forward. It's the same with players, Sinclair's best days are behind them Noooo says the crowd we cannot do without him. Well actually we can. We made a mistake asking Gerry back, and then made another mistake asking Ward back. The last thing we need is Holloway back. remember he won noting with us despite spending a lot of money, and he has been sacked from every job since. No doubt he is hanging around hoping Spot on |
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 4, 2018 8:57:21 GMT
The problem with Rovers fans, and to be honest Bristol in general they are always looking back. Indeed the Supporters club has an 92 night or so on. If you want a better club then you need to constantly move forward. It's the same with players, Sinclair's best days are behind them Noooo says the crowd we cannot do without him. Well actually we can. We made a mistake asking Gerry back, and then made another mistake asking Ward back. The last thing we need is Holloway back. remember he won noting with us despite spending a lot of money, and he has been sacked from every job since. No doubt he is hanging around hoping Spot on every manager gets sacked except Wenger and Ferguson who both retired an occupational hazard. Even Mark Hughes knows that! |
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Post by Blue Mist on Dec 4, 2018 13:34:37 GMT
The problem with Rovers fans, and to be honest Bristol in general they are always looking back. Indeed the Supporters club has an 92 night or so on. If you want a better club then you need to constantly move forward. It's the same with players, Sinclair's best days are behind them Noooo says the crowd we cannot do without him. Well actually we can. We made a mistake asking Gerry back, and then made another mistake asking Ward back. The last thing we need is Holloway back. remember he won noting with us despite spending a lot of money, and he has been sacked from every job since. No doubt he is hanging around hoping I guess he learnt nothing managing in the prem and championship and didnt make any useful contacts or improved any skills whatsoever? |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Dec 4, 2018 13:39:22 GMT
The club never recovered from Ian Hollloway.
I’ll take him back if he has £10m of his own money to invest.
He is a legend but I think started playing up to his media personality too much and it became a bit tired and boring.
We want a hungry young manager who has had some success and is on the way up. I wonder where we might find one of those?
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Post by irishrover on Dec 4, 2018 14:39:40 GMT
I think it says something about the relative decline in Olly's reputation in recent years that there aren't more people clamouring for this. A few years ago this kind of scenario would have precipitated full on 'return of the king' demands from all sides.
Olly's had a decent career as a manager-much better than nearly anyone would have expected when he left Rovers - but his recent record has been quite underwhelming and he's probably slipped off the Championship managerial carosal now and is clearly heading the wrong way in his career. I think at this stage Olly's career pattern is quite clear - give him a team of young and ambitious players who he can mould and get to buy into his approach and he'll galvanise them and the whole club with it. Give him money to spend, grizzled pros or the grind of a relegation battle and the results are not nearly as impressive. If we were to get rid of a manager now we'd want one with a proven record of coming straight in mid-season and producing an instant turnaround in an attempt to stay-up. This is not something that is easy to find. Holloway's record in that scenario throughout his career has been flat out poor - he's never been able to turn around a sinking ship, that's just not his strength. He's not the man we would need.
But it is a fair challenge to those who want rid of DC - name the replacement you want because that's the more important part of the equation. Sacking the manager is the easy scapegoating bit of it - finding a replacement that would turn us around is the much harder job and one we've never done well with. If Holloway is the best idea that anyone can come up with then I'll take a pass thanks.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 4, 2018 15:21:35 GMT
IMHO the best option we have is to stick with DC, besides which there is no way Dwane Sports will sack him. It's pretty clear that the tide has turned against them. It started turning on August 3rd 2017 - but you know what... these things take time. There is an interesting poll at the other place: www.gaschat.co.uk/thread/13369/wael-hamer-out. 114 votes is a pretty decent sample. Sack DC and all the vitriol gets aimed at Box 1. (Some might get aimed at the players - but that isn't going to help anyone). UTG. |
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Post by vaughan on Dec 4, 2018 15:30:14 GMT
It's the level of disrespect for a former darling that disappoints me.
Our life would have been a lot duller without that man in our lives.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Dec 4, 2018 16:54:13 GMT
It's the level of disrespect for a former darling that disappoints me. Our life would have been a lot duller without that man in our lives. As a footballer, yes definitely. As a manager, I don’t agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 17:07:57 GMT
every manager gets sacked except Wenger and Ferguson who both retired an occupational hazard. Even Mark Hughes knows that! Even Mark Hughes. |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 4, 2018 17:36:32 GMT
It's the level of disrespect for a former darling that disappoints me. Our life would have been a lot duller without that man in our lives. As that comment followed mine - I thought you were talking about Wael! |
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Post by irishrover on Dec 4, 2018 17:52:27 GMT
It's the level of disrespect for a former darling that disappoints me. Our life would have been a lot duller without that man in our lives. It would have been but that doesn't mean he has some kind of permanent claim on the Rovers dugout.
The point that it seems reasonable to ask anyone who wants the manager out mid-season who they would like to see bought in as replacement and on what basis you could expect improvement. It's easy and somewhat consequence free to cry 'sack the manager' - a lot harder to identify one that will come in and improve the situation. Otherwise there is a false choice being presented between DC and some fantasy potential managerial saviour; clubs trade off this fantasy every year to temporarily appease their fanbases. The role of manager was originally created by club owners to provide a buffer between themselves and disgruntled fans and that remains a key part of it - the magic alternative manager remains one of the most powerful myths in football.
When the club is struggling people understandably like the idea of 'current manager vs some vague potential person who is not the current manager'. But the real choice is between DC and an actual named individual and then it isn't neccesarily so popular. We can all get the pitch forks out but is there an alternative that most people like better (and it's a bit of a cop out saying anyone is better because we 100% know that isn't true from our past)?
So far the names I've seen suggested by those who would axe DC have been of the usual 'proper Rovers people' variety; Holloway, Steve Yates and Marcus Stewart. Given the choice betwee DC and those 3 I'd stick with DC every time.
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Post by jets4 on Dec 4, 2018 17:56:36 GMT
It's the level of disrespect for a former darling that disappoints me. Our life would have been a lot duller without that man in our lives. It would have been but that doesn't mean he has some kind of permanent claim on the Rovers dugout.
The point that it seems reasonable to ask anyone who wants the manager out mid-season who they would like to see bought in as replacement and on what basis you could expect improvement. It's easy and somewhat consequence free to cry 'sack the manager' - a lot harder to identify one that will come in and improve the situation. Otherwise there is a false choice being presented between DC and some fantasy potential managerial saviour; clubs trade off this fantasy every year to temporarily appease their fanbases. The role of manager was originally created by club owners to provide a buffer between themselves and disgruntled fans and that remains a key part of it - the magic alternative manager remains one of the most powerful myths in football.
When the club is struggling people understandably like the idea of 'current manager vs some vague potential person who is not the current manager'. But the real choice is between DC and an actual named individual and then it isn't neccesarily so popular. We can all get the pitch forks out but is there an alternative that most people like better (and it's a bit of a cop out saying anyone is better because we 100% know that isn't true from our past)?
So far the names I've seen suggested by those who would axe DC have been of the usual 'proper Rovers people' variety; Holloway, Steve Yates and Marcus Stewart. Given the choice betwee DC and those 3 I'd stick with DC every time.
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Post by jets4 on Dec 4, 2018 17:56:51 GMT
Steve Claridge ?
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