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Post by Captain Jayho on Mar 29, 2018 20:09:40 GMT
Lehmann falling on his sword, Bancroft not coming to Somerset.
Lehmann says no cheating took place in the Ashes. How can he say that when he didn't even know about the sandpaper in SA!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 30, 2018 8:10:50 GMT
Thankfully Somerset have made the right decision. Jayho, did SS press conference start to change Australian opinion once they were faced with a broken man? I hope someone is giving SS and CB a lot of support, they were man enough to face the music and looked awful. I certainly felt sympathy for Smith now that he realises what he’s lost, hope they keep an eye on him. Warner on the other hand, carried his daughter which meant he hid behind her. Cowardly tactic of a man who knows it’s all over?
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Post by Captain Jayho on Mar 30, 2018 10:36:13 GMT
Thankfully Somerset have made the right decision. Jayho, did SS press conference start to change Australian opinion once they were faced with a broken man? I hope someone is giving SS and CB a lot of support, they were man enough to face the music and looked awful. I certainly felt sympathy for Smith now that he realises what he’s lost, hope they keep an eye on him. Warner on the other hand, carried his daughter which meant he hid behind her. Cowardly tactic of a man who knows it’s all over? Yes there's been a definite change in mood over here. People saying the bans are too harsh etc and players mental health should come first. Smith did look broken and whilst I feel for him he also presided over his vice-captain co-ercing a junior player into taking sandpaper onto the field in a pre-meditated attempt to cheat - and he did nothing to stop it. Yes it is sad to see the fallout at a human level but at the end of the day he undermined the entire ethos of captaining Australia and thats what he will have to live with now. He's got his family to look after him and no doubt he will be back. Apparently he and Warner were booked on seperate flights for a reason. Expecting some additional fireworks in that regard. Pass the popcorn somebody...
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Post by stevethepirate on Mar 30, 2018 10:39:42 GMT
At least the barmy army can have a new chant. "Same old Aussies always cheating "
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Post by Captain Jayho on Mar 30, 2018 11:22:39 GMT
At least the barmy army can have a new chant. "Same old Aussies always cheating " Yes, Smith in particular is going to get FLOGGED by the barmy army when he comes back, no doubt about that.
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Post by irishrover on Apr 2, 2018 13:24:41 GMT
At least the barmy army can have a new chant. "Same old Aussies always cheating " Yes, Smith in particular is going to get FLOGGED by the barmy army when he comes back, no doubt about that. Of course it's interesting that the bans run out just in time for the World Cup and Ashes in England next summer....
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 2, 2018 17:13:51 GMT
True, but I’m not convinced it will be that long. Rumblings that CA will shorten the bans if they threaten to appeal. If it kept to 12 months will they be in the sort of form that would lead to their selection?
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Post by irishrover on Apr 2, 2018 18:29:52 GMT
True, but I’m not convinced it will be that long. Rumblings that CA will shorten the bans if they threaten to appeal. If it kept to 12 months will they be in the sort of form that would lead to their selection? Hard to see how Aussies could leave out Smith for World Cup/Ashes I think. Personally, I think the bans probably are a bit harsh (although the stick they are getting probably isn't). People have gotten less than this for match fixing!
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Post by Captain Jayho on Apr 3, 2018 10:38:14 GMT
They pre-meditated cheating and they got handed their punishments by their own cricketing body. They should just sit down, shut up and take their medicine. It will make a total mockery of CA if they appeal and CA drop their bundle and backtrack on the punishments. Who is actually driving the bus here ffs?
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 3, 2018 12:21:35 GMT
They pre-meditated cheating and they got handed their punishments by their own cricketing body. They should just sit down, shut up and take their medicine. It will make a total mockery of CA if they appeal and CA drop their bundle and backtrack on the punishments. Who is actually driving the bus here ffs? You are 100% correct but unfortunately that doesn’t mean that CA won’t backtrack. They should do all the things you say but I fear that when the publicity has died down in about 3/4 months if CA know that appeals are going to happen then on a very busy news day when it wouldn’t get much press space CA will knock the bans down so that they are ready to go in September / October. They will hope that no one picks it up when other things are happening and it’s lost in amongst other news. I hope I’m wrong and it will make a mockery of CA but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Im looking forward with hope, not expectation, that the ICC will come down strongly on this. Time will tell I guess.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 3, 2018 12:21:59 GMT
offer to reduce their bans if they reveal who else was in on it. Trouble is they might lose most of their team
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Post by Captain Jayho on Apr 4, 2018 8:16:21 GMT
Smith has accepted his ban and won't appeal - confirmed by him today. And fair play to him, I respect him for that. I do feel like his error was in not standing up to Warner - as opposed to wanting to actually cheat himself - but it still irks that he said it was tape and not sandpaper in the press conference though. Why lie?
Good on him for accepting his ban though. I doubt Warner will!
Edit: Bancroft also accepts his ban.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 4, 2018 9:07:56 GMT
Yes, I saw that. Accepting it is good and would make Warner’s likely appeal more likely to fail. Warner, I would imagine, will use the ICC not punishing him as the reason for his appeal. If it comes. The more that comes out and the reaction of the players makes it seem apparent that there is a divide amongst them.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Apr 4, 2018 9:13:41 GMT
Yeah, just on Warner - I've noticed some noises coming out of a few of our players and ex-players over the last 4-5 years that have indicated that they are really not that happy with certain members of the Australian team. Graeme Swann, Michael Vaughan, Jonathon Trott and a few others have all given some fairly big hints that they have felt that some of the stuff going on on the field of play (either directly when they were playing or told to them by current players) was beyond this wonderful imaginary line of acceptability. Swanny in particular was pretty vocal about it at one point. I always assumed at the time that they were talking about Warner although it could be more than that of course. Either way he has been a ticking timebomb for quite a while now. I think CA are bricking themselves because he literally could do anything from this point onwards. They clearly want him out of the setup but they are also in damage control.
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Post by warehamgas on May 3, 2018 11:57:11 GMT
Didn’t really want to bump this back up but I was interested today to see Justin Langer appointed Australian Coach in the wake of the cheating scandal. This comes some days after CA announce that they are holding a review into the Australians previous behaviour and the way they will conduct themselves in the future. With all these attempts at trying to re-invent themselves I have to say I am finding it all a bit of a sideshow. Im sure this review is a genuine attempt to rewrite the way they do things but I will be surprised if anything tangible comes out of it now that JL has been appointed. I really like the guy, I think he was the best thing to happen to Somerset for a long time when he was appointed but he was a very uncompromising cricketer who shook Somerset up and really instilled into them a “win-at-all-costs-within-the rules-policy”. On the field he really pressed the opposition, I seem to remember very few friendly, banter like moments. I have no problem with that and we became a very well oiled cricketing team which steamrolled the opposition in Division 2 to win and gain promotion and do very well in Division 1. But he was very hard on the opposition always chirping at them and on his own players, patrolling mid on and mid off with a pretty stern countenance. With his appointment I suspect we will see a very determined side who will not give an inch and who will press the opposition on the field. But he is a stickler, imo, for doing things the correct way and he wouldn’t be part of what happened in South Africa. He will play by the rules although he might stretch them a bit, but that would not include cheating or doing something that could be construed as such. I think Australia will become a much harder, meaner team who will still comment and give the opposition some grief, although they will do it with a bit of a smile on their faces. It will be much more attritional I would imagine. I also expect to see Cameron Bancroft back in the squad as soon as his ban has finished. It was Langer who advised Somerset over Bancroft in the first place and Langer and Andy Hurry, the Somerset Cricket Director, are friendly and with both being Western Australians I expect Bancroft to come back. Steve Smith will also get a recall. But with David Warner I’m not so sure, I have a feeling Langer will do without him.
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Post by irishrover on May 3, 2018 13:27:46 GMT
Didn’t really want to bump this back up but I was interested today to see Justin Langer appointed Australian Coach in the wake of the cheating scandal. This comes some days after CA announce that they are holding a review into the Australians previous behaviour and the way they will conduct themselves in the future. With all these attempts at trying to re-invent themselves I have to say I am finding it all a bit of a sideshow. Im sure this review is a genuine attempt to rewrite the way they do things but I will be surprised if anything tangible comes out of it now that JL has been appointed. I really like the guy, I think he was the best thing to happen to Somerset for a long time when he was appointed but he was a very uncompromising cricketer who shook Somerset up and really instilled into them a “win-at-all-costs-within-the rules-policy”. On the field he really pressed the opposition, I seem to remember very few friendly, banter like moments. I have no problem with that and we became a very well oiled cricketing team which steamrolled the opposition in Division 2 to win and gain promotion and do very well in Division 1. But he was very hard on the opposition always chirping at them and on his own players, patrolling mid on and mid off with a pretty stern countenance. With his appointment I suspect we will see a very determined side who will not give an inch and who will press the opposition on the field. But he is a stickler, imo, for doing things the correct way and he wouldn’t be part of what happened in South Africa. He will play by the rules although he might stretch them a bit, but that would not include cheating or doing something that could be construed as such. I think Australia will become a much harder, meaner team who will still comment and give the opposition some grief, although they will do it with a bit of a smile on their faces. It will be much more attritional I would imagine. I also expect to see Cameron Bancroft back in the squad as soon as his ban has finished. It was Langer who advised Somerset over Bancroft in the first place and Langer and Andy Hurry, the Somerset Cricket Director, are friendly and with both being Western Australians I expect Bancroft to come back. Steve Smith will also get a recall. But with David Warner I’m not so sure, I have a feeling Langer will do without him. Pretty sure Warner is done as an international player - he has had an absolute monstering and I think the Aussie press and public will demand some kind of head on a spike here and he's the likely candidate. The thing is you don't want to see that Aussie hard-nosed cricket culture disappear - it's a key part of the game. No one could surely have an issue with Border, Waugh, Taylor, Ponting etc and their give no quarter approach. For decades English cricket tried their utmost to ape this because of the quality of cricket that it was associated with - I think you make a good point that it isn't just about getting in the face of the opposition, it's also about 100% personal responsibility and honest reflections on your own performance. A no excuses approach. For years English cricket suffered from an excuses culture which was extremely annoying. 'It was the dodgy overseas umpires', 'it was doctored balls', 'it was crap ground conditions' etc etc. It wasn't until we dropped all of that crap in the early 2000s that we started competing again properly. The problem about Australian cricket as I see it though is that they began to believe their own mythology. Ie. That the reason they won games and were successful was because they were so macho and hyped up and had this aggressive culture. When the reality is that it was the other way round. The culture developed as a by-product of their success. Case in point - England team in the mid-90s tried to copy Aussie aggressive onfield antics and ended up looking like completely pratts in front of everyone because they weren't good enough to make it stand up. So they just looked like a bunch of angry losers. Which is kind of what happened to Australia in South Africa. Nothing wrong with having swagger, nothing all that wrong with being aggressive up to a point. But you must have some humility too - that's what they forgot.
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