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Post by Igitur on Dec 4, 2017 17:34:48 GMT
When the first plans to renovate the Mem were opened up to the fans to look at there was a display in the Bristol Room. I quizzed the main 'architect' (or whatever) about the madness of away and home fans crossing in the car park and also about safe-standing in the 'new' stadium. As the responses became more and more ludicrous I asked, "Have you built one of these before?" and he said, "Yes."
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 4, 2017 18:28:19 GMT
Bulls*** or they just don't know what to do Treading water is where I think we are at the moment Sprout. with the investment tide having gone out
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 20:31:07 GMT
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 4, 2017 21:35:49 GMT
The consensus of the "wake up and smell the coffee brigade" following Steve Hamer's radio session and Wael's pathetic interview yesterday is that we are being treated as mugs. I agree. Sad but true. What can we do? We can use the free press to ensure that the message gets out that all is not rosey with Smiley Waely's pipedream and that the supporters and manager feel betrayed by the promises that have culminated in the spectacular investment of a new club shop. That press outlet has to be The Gulf News and the like which impacts on the reputation of ALQs. The manager is now in open conflict and even the Chairman has been critical of the owners. Good material that will make the owner feel uncomfortable and will precipitate more investment or an acceleration of the end game. If the latter, let's get on with it. Not prepared to put up with years of stagnation whilst Wael comes up with crap like that. Not when there is planning permission for a new stadium and the greatest opportunity for investment that we have ever had. Marathon versus Sprint, it takes a long time etc. Who do they think we are? It's now or never. So what do you want to achieve? You want to harm the reputation of Wael and the Al Qadi family... for what purpose? I think you need to slow down a little, because this petulant course of action is going to cause nothing but harm to the club. If the UWE stadium, under the terms that the university were imposing, was "the greatest opportunity for investment that we ever had", then it was not much. We haven't got the Venky's, let alone the Oyston's in charge. Why is no one asking why we were told the feasibility study came back positively yet the deal fell through ?
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 4, 2017 22:10:52 GMT
So what do you want to achieve? You want to harm the reputation of Wael and the Al Qadi family... for what purpose? I think you need to slow down a little, because this petulant course of action is going to cause nothing but harm to the club. If the UWE stadium, under the terms that the university were imposing, was "the greatest opportunity for investment that we ever had", then it was not much. We haven't got the Venky's, let alone the Oyston's in charge. Why is no one asking why we were told the feasibility study came back positively yet the deal fell through ? When were we told that? Can't recall them every saying it came back positive? Might have missed it though.
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 4, 2017 22:25:59 GMT
What's indefensible?? Another person moaning, without knowing anything. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes. But because they are professional and keep things private, everything must be bad. Still not one person has given a half decent answer of what they have done that is so bad. In that case bearing in mind the last 2 interviews by chairman and president doing nothing to dispel the feeling most fans have about any developments all we are getting fed is it all takes time. And you haven't given any reason why you believe they are going to do anything apart from 2 caravans serving alcohol and another tent.now we are being told they are getting the decorators in to touch up the paintwork. Big deal and you are still promulgating the myth of evolution not revolution Because I don't know if it will happen. I'm not going to say they should leave though, because I don't know. They have held meetings with local residents though etc. Why bother, if they are not planning on changing it. If they are planning on doing the work, it will take time to plan in properly. So unless anyone personally knows the family, or has a crystal ball, we won't know for ages one way or another. You can only judge them on what they have done so far, not what might or might not happen. Spent more on any player, since we bought Tilson. Bought the Colony land, improved the back room staff, created a developing side, hired new coaches, including a highly rated coach to over see all the coaching aiding our youth development. Improved and expanded the medical team. It's not all about the stadium. We need it long term, but the other stuff is more important in the short term. How many years was Higgs working on Uwe before it became public knowledge. For years they worked with Uwe and Sainsburys and plans were drawn up for both sites, without anyone knowing. Same at most clubs, so I expect everything to be quiet until there is something significant to announce. That does not mean nothings happening though.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 4, 2017 22:28:20 GMT
Why is no one asking why we were told the feasibility study came back positively yet the deal fell through ? When were we told that? Can't recall them every saying it came back positive? Might have missed it though. It was said by both Wael and Steve Hamer. I am pretty sure SH said it first but, to be honest, I can’t be bothered at this time of night to find the interviews. I think it was a part of the landing lights speech but am not 100 percent on that but we were told the feasability study was favourable. What happened after that is something I know many would like an answer too. My own guess, based upon the demeanour, body language, DC’s very direct and open near criticisms of the situation and now saying he’s only hanging around for the fans is that the contract he signed is not being kept to and that a huge rift has opened up between Hani ( I dint even like football) and his younger sibling, with Daddy ALQ siding with the eldest. That’s my take on it. I kind of put it out there the other day but I wonder what WAQ is worth singularly as he has a golden opportunity to go into Rovers folklore here, if he could do this himself. Just me dreaming of course
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Post by vaughan on Dec 4, 2017 22:42:47 GMT
There is a Guardian article from 31st October 2016 which clearly states the dynamics between the brothers.
Dead Pan Hani versus Smiley Waely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 22:50:04 GMT
In that case bearing in mind the last 2 interviews by chairman and president doing nothing to dispel the feeling most fans have about any developments all we are getting fed is it all takes time. And you haven't given any reason why you believe they are going to do anything apart from 2 caravans serving alcohol and another tent.now we are being told they are getting the decorators in to touch up the paintwork. Big deal and you are still promulgating the myth of evolution not revolution Because I don't know if it will happen. I'm not going to say they should leave though, because I don't know. They have held meetings with local residents though etc. Why bother, if they are not planning on changing it. If they are planning on doing the work, it will take time to plan in properly. So unless anyone personally knows the family, or has a crystal ball, we won't know for ages one way or another. You can only judge them on what they have done so far, not what might or might not happen. Spent more on any player, since we bought Tilson. Bought the Colony land, improved the back room staff, created a developing side, hired new coaches, including a highly rated coach to over see all the coaching aiding our youth development. Improved and expanded the medical team. It's not all about the stadium. We need it long term, but the other stuff is more important in the short term. How many years was Higgs working on Uwe before it became public knowledge. For years they worked with Uwe and Sainsburys and plans were drawn up for both sites, without anyone knowing. Same at most clubs, so I expect everything to be quiet until there is something significant to announce. That does not mean nothings happening though. The money spent on Nicholls and Sercombe came from that earn the from the sale of taylor and the extra revenue from the Chelsea game and even then it wasn't all spent. So the extra 100m has covered the cost of a lot of extra staff and players.as for the uwemail plans it was common knowledge that things were happening long before the press got hold of it.but if you want to believe everything is hunky dory that's you choice but bear in mind 2 contacting comments by Wael on the take over one was the club was heading to bankruptcy and the other was they beat off 10 other bidders only one can be true
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 23:03:50 GMT
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 4, 2017 23:04:21 GMT
Because I don't know if it will happen. I'm not going to say they should leave though, because I don't know. They have held meetings with local residents though etc. Why bother, if they are not planning on changing it. If they are planning on doing the work, it will take time to plan in properly. So unless anyone personally knows the family, or has a crystal ball, we won't know for ages one way or another. You can only judge them on what they have done so far, not what might or might not happen. Spent more on any player, since we bought Tilson. Bought the Colony land, improved the back room staff, created a developing side, hired new coaches, including a highly rated coach to over see all the coaching aiding our youth development. Improved and expanded the medical team. It's not all about the stadium. We need it long term, but the other stuff is more important in the short term. How many years was Higgs working on Uwe before it became public knowledge. For years they worked with Uwe and Sainsburys and plans were drawn up for both sites, without anyone knowing. Same at most clubs, so I expect everything to be quiet until there is something significant to announce. That does not mean nothings happening though. The money spent on Nicholls and Sercombe came from that earn the from the sale of taylor and the extra revenue from the Chelsea game and even then it wasn't all spent. So the extra 100m has covered the cost of a lot of extra staff and players.as for the uwemail plans it was common knowledge that things were happening long before the press got hold of it.but if you want to believe everything is hunky dory that's you choice but bear in mind 2 contacting comments by Wael on the take over one was the club was heading to bankruptcy and the other was they beat off 10 other bidders only one can be true They still didn't have to spend it. Did we spend the millions we made on selling players like Roberts, Ellington, Lambert Stewart etc??? We have received more money than that previously and have not spent as much. They could have decided to just put the money towards bills, so give credit where it's due. Plus the extra staff, coaches, players and the Colony all cost. The club were heading for bankruptcy and other fans have said they new other consortiums wanted to buy us. Plus Higgs said there were others interested. Does not mean they would have agreed terms though. So not sure how only one can be true? They can both be true. I didn't say all was OK. I said I don't know, but obviously, you do! They have improved a lot, but you choose to ignore that and focus on a few rumours. That's your choice. I choose to give them time. If things stop progressing, I will moan, however, even recently we have been taking on new staff etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 10:33:18 GMT
The money spent on Nicholls and Sercombe came from that earn the from the sale of taylor and the extra revenue from the Chelsea game and even then it wasn't all spent. So the extra 100m has covered the cost of a lot of extra staff and players.as for the uwemail plans it was common knowledge that things were happening long before the press got hold of it.but if you want to believe everything is hunky dory that's you choice but bear in mind 2 contacting comments by Wael on the take over one was the club was heading to bankruptcy and the other was they beat off 10 other bidders only one can be true They still didn't have to spend it. Did we spend the millions we made on selling players like Roberts, Ellington, Lambert Stewart etc??? We have received more money than that previously and have not spent as much. They could have decided to just put the money towards bills, so give credit where it's due. Plus the extra staff, coaches, players and the Colony all cost. The club were heading for bankruptcy and other fans have said they new other consortiums wanted to buy us. Plus Higgs said there were others interested. Does not mean they would have agreed terms though. So not sure how only one can be true? They can both be true. I didn't say all was OK. I said I don't know, but obviously, you do! They have improved a lot, but you choose to ignore that and focus on a few rumours. That's your choice. I choose to give them time. If things stop progressing, I will moan, however, even recently we have been taking on new staff etc. So apart from yet another tent.now new hand driers in toilets and a couple of mobile bars one of which was closed due to a fault with the licence oh and a new screen and a field nearly ready for cutting for sillage and an overload of staff which is increasing our losses to 2 million a year what else have they done. My problem is I am more worried about the clubs future than I was 3 months ago because we now have no one who will save the club when this lot do a bunk
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Post by siamman on Dec 5, 2017 10:56:53 GMT
I am with the majority on here and believe the Al-Qadis are merely buying time to formulate the best exit strategy for themselves.A piecemeal rebuild? Leave it out,what investors would be prepared to get on board a project that has an 8/10/12 year target date? It would have to be solely Al-Q money and that's very clearly not going to happen.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 5, 2017 10:58:05 GMT
Give Wael a break he is trying his best...overreaction he has already spent £12m what more can we honestly expect ...we have our own stadium a great manager and Bodin a million pound player 12 million harry? Let's see about that. 6 million in directors loans which we owed to previous board now still a debt but to Dwane Sports. 2.7 million to wonga which was allegedly paid off but is now still a debt to Dwane sports 1 million to buy some grass which we will enjoy watching grow but on the books as a debt to Dwane sporto so far that is 8.7 million the club owed before the take over that we still owe and a field that is better suited to livestock than football at present Before the take over we owed about 8.5 million now it's closer to 12 and the home shrewdly bought by the late GD is now at risk because it is being used as collateral to cover the debts. I don't see any money being spent on players that which was spent in the summer was more than covered by the Taylor transfer and the Chelsea fixture Have you forgot the last 2 years of running at a loss in your calculations as well, that would add £1m-£2m per year as well
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 5, 2017 11:01:15 GMT
If Uwe is such a good deal, then why do they not want to do it? Still only seen a loads of rumours and stuff that does not even make sense. If Uwe was that good a deal for the club, they would have built it, as they could have sold us on for a profit, if that's what they wanted to do. If it's not a good deal and would lose us money, why would anyone want to build it? Why would it be such a good deal for us if someone else was in charge, but not now? I'm sure every one of you fans moaning on here have seen the terms Uwe wanted though? No you just like to guess and have a good moan. If it was such a bad deal why were they so close to deal they thought they actually had a deal? Have you seen the terms? Where is the training ground with catagory 2 academy status that would have cost £10m they were promising? Care to defend that? These are great questions but I think you should be directing them at the owners.But he is asking you with all your inside knowledge
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 11:14:38 GMT
If it was such a bad deal why were they so close to deal they thought they actually had a deal? Have you seen the terms? Where is the training ground with catagory 2 academy status that would have cost £10m they were promising? Care to defend that? These are great questions but I think you should be directing them at the owners.But he is asking you with all your inside knowledge I thought you were the one with that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 11:16:56 GMT
12 million harry? Let's see about that. 6 million in directors loans which we owed to previous board now still a debt but to Dwane Sports. 2.7 million to wonga which was allegedly paid off but is now still a debt to Dwane sports 1 million to buy some grass which we will enjoy watching grow but on the books as a debt to Dwane sporto so far that is 8.7 million the club owed before the take over that we still owe and a field that is better suited to livestock than football at present Before the take over we owed about 8.5 million now it's closer to 12 and the home shrewdly bought by the late GD is now at risk because it is being used as collateral to cover the debts. I don't see any money being spent on players that which was spent in the summer was more than covered by the Taylor transfer and the Chelsea fixture Have you forgot the last 2 years of running at a loss in your calculations as well, that would add £1m-£2m per year as well So when in your expert insider knowledge do we reach the point where the debts outstrip the value of the mem and what is the plan .b.then
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 5, 2017 11:18:36 GMT
But he is asking you with all your inside knowledge I thought you were the one with that i only know about the planning side my good friend, i know f... all about the club side of it, like everybody else on here
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 5, 2017 11:19:19 GMT
Have you forgot the last 2 years of running at a loss in your calculations as well, that would add £1m-£2m per year as well So when in your expert insider knowledge do we reach the point where the debts outstrip the value of the mem and what is the plan .b.then We know about plan "b" March 2018
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 5, 2017 11:30:12 GMT
Have you forgot the last 2 years of running at a loss in your calculations as well, that would add £1m-£2m per year as well So when in your expert insider knowledge do we reach the point where the debts outstrip the value of the mem and what is the plan .b.then They either keep funding it or they don't
Just the same as any other owner would
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