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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 15:30:06 GMT
I understand all the comments but did all the players play to their potential yesterday no not 1 of them it's when all the players play to their potential and still get beaten that's when you have serious problems all these team changes have knocked the stuffing out of them as an example Easter has played his best football for the gas since signing playing just behind the forwards now he can't get a look in after doing nothing wrong you cannot treat professional footballers like that and expect them to do the business when picked Stewart and yeates cannot be on board all this nonsense they need to step up to the plate and be counted and change things Clarke seems out of his depth with in my opinion an embarrassment of riches to choose from mildenhall mildenhall !
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 18, 2016 16:28:25 GMT
I agree with your assessment of yesterday. One of the worst away days I remember was losing 6-1 at Walsall first time I walked out 30 minutes early! WEre you not on a free coach? Was that the free coach in 1980s reward the fans for loyalty in support of the club in hard times? Where we lost 5-0? My oh my, hard times have certainly been redefined since then..
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 18, 2016 17:14:57 GMT
I understand all the comments but did all the players play to their potential yesterday no not 1 of them it's when all the players play to their potential and still get beaten that's when you have serious problems all these team changes have knocked the stuffing out of them as an example Easter has played his best football for the gas since signing playing just behind the forwards now he can't get a look in after doing nothing wrong you cannot treat professional footballers like that and expect them to do the business when picked Stewart and yeates cannot be on board all this nonsense they need to step up to the plate and be counted and change things Clarke seems out of his depth with in my opinion an embarrassment of riches to choose from mildenhall mildenhall ! Many said Colkett had to play, the present system appears to be to fity him in, can't play Easter as well! Suspect the fans could not pick a team either from this squad.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Dec 18, 2016 17:21:31 GMT
I understand all the comments but did all the players play to their potential yesterday no not 1 of them it's when all the players play to their potential and still get beaten that's when you have serious problems all these team changes have knocked the stuffing out of them as an example Easter has played his best football for the gas since signing playing just behind the forwards now he can't get a look in after doing nothing wrong you cannot treat professional footballers like that and expect them to do the business when picked Stewart and yeates cannot be on board all this nonsense they need to step up to the plate and be counted and change things Clarke seems out of his depth with in my opinion an embarrassment of riches to choose from mildenhall mildenhall ! Many said Colkett had to play, the present system appears to be to fity him in, can't play Easter as well! Suspect the fans could not pick a team either from this squad. Arguably Easter let his manager/team mates/fans down the night we visited Bramall Lane. So yeh, certainly did something wrong there. Not sure he's regained his place since.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 18:12:15 GMT
Easter as an example !
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Post by kwoodgas on Dec 18, 2016 18:34:49 GMT
Steve, you've been harsh on Gaffney who ran himself into the ground once again. The reason he didn't get himself into more scoring positions is probably because he was too busy running the channels due to the absence of any other width.
Taylor played like a man who knows he's got a move in January and doesn't want an injury, James Clarke was made a mug of by a very average winger, Boateng useless, Ollie Clarke, Sinclair and Colkett not much better.
I'd stop short of criticising Hartley and Lockyer for the volume of goals we're conceding; no-one in midfield is picking up the second balls after they make the initial clearance.
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks something has gone off behind the scenes with some of the senior players, we're crying out for leadership and Macca and Mansell have been a mile off the team for much of the season, Easter has gone from being a favourite to unused sub fodder and Lines dropped despite probably being our player of the season so far.
DC has been critical of performances, but he needs to look at his selection and tactics. The amount of early subs to rectify selection mistakes is getting ridiculous and leaves us with limited options later in the game.
I really hope this recruitment expert comes up with the goods in January, because we don't want a repeat of Trollope replacing the players who'd taken us as far as they could with the likes of Blizzard, Regan and Wright. The summer signings are looking poorer by the game.
Wasn't overly impressed by our support yesterday, seemed like the lunatic asylum had their Christmas day out with plenty of foul language (I'm not advocating banning swearing, but at least be creative with it, the c word every other word isn't cool); lots of abuse was directed towards stewards who in the main seemed pretty good in that they allowed standing as long as it wasnt in the gangways, saw a few trying to sneak beer into the stands and the highlight was a belter dressed as a snowman trying to fight Shrewsbury fans despite their being a 2m fence between them.
All in all not a good day!
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Post by Igitur on Dec 18, 2016 18:45:16 GMT
It's a funny old game, we were poor, yet the goals came from Duddy gift wrapping the ball to their player and a ball to hand incident; without those it might have been a 0-0 bore draw!!!
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Post by DudeLebowski on Dec 18, 2016 20:26:18 GMT
Anyone in attendance definitely has a right to be fuming with whatever went on yesterday. But there appears to be an actual meltdown occuring about Wael & 'the state of the club'. *i point you to the gaschat forum*
For me, best position off the field we've been in for a long long time. On the pitch, mid table league 1 is very decent. I'm a happy dude.
As I've said in previous posts, maybe it's all been too much too soon for some folk. Win a few, we're going up, lose a few & there's a major crisis. Maybe one day they'll spark up a doobie & chill the hell out.
Anyway, roll on Boxing Day and some festive beverages!
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Post by Rex on Dec 18, 2016 20:36:51 GMT
Some people need to get a bit of a grip on reality. We are certainly on a poor run of form, and I hate to state the bleedin obvious, but we have just had back to back promotions, and sit just 5 points of a play off place at the halfway stage of the season. By the toughest of standards, that is some turnaround. Of course DC and the players won't get it right every time, because- and again I'm stating the bleedin obvious- no one can. I suspect we do need a bit of a freshen up- and maybe that will come in January, but the very least this manager and squad of players deserve, is to be judged at the end of the season, and not halfway through it after a blip in form.
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 18, 2016 20:47:01 GMT
Rex I do agree but our history shows us the difficulties of promotions. Meson and Francis took us up with teams with spirit but we then lacked quality and a plan to stay there. Trollope took us up and tried to find quality but we lost the team ethic.
No idea how you can do both, bring in quality for the step up but maintain the team bonding that drives teams on.
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Post by Rex on Dec 18, 2016 20:56:54 GMT
Rex I do agree but our history shows us the difficulties of promotions. Meson and Francis took us up with teams with spirit but we then lacked quality and a plan to stay there. Trollope took us up and tried to find quality but we lost the team ethic. No idea how you can do both, bring in quality for the step up but maintain the team bonding that drives teams on.And there's the rub. However, I would say a starting point is not to panic after a bit of a sticky patch.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 18, 2016 21:19:08 GMT
funny thing is we are just five points off the play offs in league one....just be positive because its Christmas and City have lost six out of their last seven and awarded Johnson with a one year contract extension !
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 18, 2016 21:20:00 GMT
Kwoodgas, Some interesting points and yes maybe I was being tough on Gaffney and maybe it is down to DCs tactics or lack of them but for me we need him more in the middle because that is where the majority of our passes from the back go. I did give him higher than most!!! Id agree with your comments on the midfield and Taylor but as for the midfielders not picking up the second ball from Lockyer for instance the truth is the passing of ockyer and clearing just isn't good enough.
Taylor played like a man who knows he's got a move in January and doesn't want an injury, James Clarke was made a mug of by a very average winger, Boateng useless, Ollie Clarke, Sinclair and Colkett not much better.
Your comments on DC are spot on this season.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 18, 2016 22:19:44 GMT
and the highlight was a belter dressed as a snowman trying to fight Shrewsbury fans despite their being a 2m fence between them. Haha! Classic! I hope this is included in future Memories of.. series?!
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 18, 2016 22:52:00 GMT
I haven't watched Rovers in three years (being overseas). Therefore, your understanding of how the club is performing both as a collective and within departments is formed largely by reports, articles and the media streamed via YouTube.
Rovers have had a great 2 and a half years and we are continuing on an upwards trajectory. However, as we progress up the leagues then each success brings with it dilemmas for the club's administration, it's football management team and the players. In a way it's bittersweet that a team, whose greater than the sum of their parts, may achieve promotion to a higher level but then this increases the players job insecurity if they cannot perform at a higher level. In someways, the job security of a player is better if a team finishes in the same place in the same division over a number of years - for example, Mark Noble wouldn't last in a top 5 team but he'll always have a job in an average to below-average west ham team.
The current position being 5 points from the play-offs in league 1 is fantastic, it's better than any supporter would have imagined at the time Darrel first took over from Ward in that eponymous season. Most if not all supporters look at our position in this context. We are by no means a supporter base who wins the lottery in one week then agonises how our new boat suddenly looks so much smaller than the others in the harbour. However, as a progressive club we are having to face difficulties such as upskilling the squad but keeping the positive culture that has achieved so much. It's a hard task when the players who helped achieve that success are the ones that may end up having to leave and they may not entirely agree with the decision of the club. Darrel's task is to be honest, open and human to the players without suddenly losing the dressing room. I remember taking on a role at a company and identifying employees who did not fit the skill level of where I wanted the company to be yet had been there for 20 years - removing them could lose the will of the rest of the company yet continuing to favour their experience over ability could alienate new recruits - the job of a manager can be hard and needs a lot of emotional intelligence.
Darrell comes across as an honest guy who will fight for his players but will be very clear about his principles from the outset. At least any players who may be moved on will be in a position to command a wage of a promotion-achieving player and all will have the highest regards from the supporters.
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 18, 2016 23:32:20 GMT
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks something has gone off behind the scenes with some of the senior players, we're crying out for leadership and Macca and Mansell have been a mile off the team for much of the season, Easter has gone from being a favourite to unused sub fodder and Lines dropped despite probably being our player of the season so far. The summer signings are looking poorer by the game. got to agree with those bits. Up til recently we've had buckets of fight and a team spirit. No evidence of it yesterday based on reports, and I'm wondering why
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Post by mrbluesky on Dec 18, 2016 23:42:41 GMT
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks something has gone off behind the scenes with some of the senior players, we're crying out for leadership and Macca and Mansell have been a mile off the team for much of the season, Easter has gone from being a favourite to unused sub fodder and Lines dropped despite probably being our player of the season so far. The summer signings are looking poorer by the game. got to agree with those bits. Up til recently we've had buckets of fight and a team spirit. No evidence of it yesterday based on reports, and I'm wondering why how about loss of confidence?
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 18, 2016 23:51:30 GMT
got to agree with those bits. Up til recently we've had buckets of fight and a team spirit. No evidence of it yesterday based on reports, and I'm wondering why how about loss of confidence? yup, could be
its not what DC has been hinting at though. Which might be his mid-judgement, I suppose
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 23:53:39 GMT
Cheer up you fannies, it's only football.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 19, 2016 8:09:39 GMT
Rex I do agree but our history shows us the difficulties of promotions. Meson and Francis took us up with teams with spirit but we then lacked quality and a plan to stay there. Trollope took us up and tried to find quality but we lost the team ethic. No idea how you can do both, bring in quality for the step up but maintain the team bonding that drives teams on. In some ways last years promotion was to early (not that you can turn the opportunity down) WAQ had just taken over and I don't think he was expecting to go up. In some ways it may have benefitted to stay in the 4td division another season, with a few additions to the squad and had a promotion push whilst WAQ and the new board got their feet under the table.
The promotion whilst not a bad thing was just another thing for the new ownership to deal with alongside squaring the off field sh*t. Who knows what the difference would have been in planned budgets for recruitment under NH had we gone up? who knows how the new tech guy would have planned recruitment for league one had he been here for 12 months etc
But, people need to take a step back and breath. We have done okay. We need to improve but hopefully that will come in January with some movements in the squad, with fringe players going and re-enforcements coming in.
If we finish 11th, most sane fans will be happy this year and hopefully next summer and season will lead to a more strategized and settled recruitment stategy
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