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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 9, 2016 10:00:21 GMT
the below from the Beeb today. Statistically, it looks like we're more likely to be on the list than not?
There are now 83 potential suspects and 98 clubs involved in the inquiry into child abuse in football, police chiefs have said.
The investigations span all tiers of football, "from premier clubs through to amateur", the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) said.
Police forces across the country are continuing to receive calls, it added.
The NPCC's lead for child protection said the allegations were "being swiftly acted upon" by police.
Of the identified victims, 98% were male, and the age range of potential victims at the time of the abuse was between seven and 20, police said.
A total of 639 referrals had been received from the NSPCC helpline and directly from police forces.
The FA is supporting a hotline set up by the NSPCC. It is available 24 hours a day on 0800 0232642.
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Post by Igitur on Dec 9, 2016 10:23:47 GMT
It does little help to speculate.
The process is looking at premier sides through to amateur clubs, and so Rovers statistically are as likely as my local Sunday morning football club with teams at all ages, each with two or three 'coaches' and/or helpers.
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Post by matealotblue on Dec 9, 2016 10:44:31 GMT
May I respectfully suggest that this is a subject that is too sensitive to be speculated about on this, or any other forum, until any facts are out there in the public domain. Let those that need to do their work and let us get on with supporting. Thank you.
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 9, 2016 10:50:07 GMT
my own view is that speculation may not help, but avoiding the subject/turning a blind eye has been the traditional response which has done little good
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Post by matealotblue on Dec 9, 2016 11:14:11 GMT
my own view is that speculation may not help, but avoiding the subject/turning a blind eye has been the traditional response which has done little good Couldn't agree more. And if anyone has anything that they think should be reported then please take it to the Authorities. But the subject is now out there, being treated (at last it seems) with the action it deserves and I don't think that we can add anything more/useful at this stage on a forum. Apart from more heat than light. When facts are known then that is a different matter. Just my view on it. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 9, 2016 11:15:35 GMT
Unfortunately I suspect the whole investigation will focus on the past and take focus / resources away from current practices. But it will grab headlines, people and past practices will be investigated and the conclusion will be that the system has changed beyond recognition. Would prefer that resources were directed at current not historical issues, if after that there still remain resources to look at historical claims then go for it.
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Post by Igitur on Dec 9, 2016 11:46:10 GMT
The present scrutiny of the past (and present,) will, I feel, make the future even more robust. CRB checks are already mandatory and clubs require a Protection Officer otherwise they can not be affiliated to a league. In an increasing litigious society and the press climbing over everything clubs cannot afford to be complacent mind you the FA is involved...
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 9, 2016 11:56:15 GMT
the below from the Beeb today. Statistically, it looks like we're more likely to be on the list than not?
There are now 83 potential suspects and 98 clubs involved in the inquiry into child abuse in football, police chiefs have said.
The investigations span all tiers of football, "from premier clubs through to amateur", the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) said.
Police forces across the country are continuing to receive calls, it added.
The NPCC's lead for child protection said the allegations were "being swiftly acted upon" by police.
Of the identified victims, 98% were male, and the age range of potential victims at the time of the abuse was between seven and 20, police said.
A total of 639 referrals had been received from the NSPCC helpline and directly from police forces.
The FA is supporting a hotline set up by the NSPCC. It is available 24 hours a day on 0800 0232642.
There are over 5,000 football clubs in England alone, so you've got your probabilities wrong mucker.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 13:36:19 GMT
Can admin do something about the title of this thread please? On the content, it's being presented in the media as some kind of secret that nobody has done anything about, ever, that's not quite the case. Here, Christopher Flavin, football coach from Bristol, convicted in 2015, www.bristolpost.co.uk/bristol-teacher-jailed-child-sexual-offences/story-28241576-detail/story.htmlRoy Morris, boys' team coach in Gloucester, jailed in 2011, www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-13619702Loads of other examples to be found with a quick search on Google. |
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Post by strung out on Dec 9, 2016 15:51:19 GMT
Can admin do something about the title of this thread please? Agreed - have edited the title of the thread because there's no suggestion that Rovers have any involvement in this at the moment. For the moment best not to feed sensationalism and go with the facts as established by the authorities. |
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Post by irishrover on Dec 9, 2016 16:57:37 GMT
Can admin do something about the title of this thread please? On the content, it's being presented in the media as some kind of secret that nobody has done anything about, ever, that's not quite the case. Here, Christopher Flavin, football coach from Bristol, convicted in 2015, www.bristolpost.co.uk/bristol-teacher-jailed-child-sexual-offences/story-28241576-detail/story.htmlRoy Morris, boys' team coach in Gloucester, jailed in 2011, www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-13619702Loads of other examples to be found with a quick search on Google. That's absolutely right. There's this Media tendency to use historic scandals to hammer present structures as fatally flawed, which is potentially quite dangerous and unjust. Anyone who has spent any time in amateur sport and youth coaching in the last decade or more will be aware of the extensive child protection legislation and the safeguards that are in place. Now there may be a debate about whether these are adequate or not but it's completely ridiculous to conflate past cover-ups and inadequacies to imply that there is a wide-ranging institutional ignorance of these issues. You could end up with the daft situation where the media calls for the resignation of chariman/directors/officials etc of organisations for things that happened donkey's years before they were appointed. It's happened before. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 17:26:17 GMT
Can admin do something about the title of this thread please? Agreed - have edited the title of the thread because there's no suggestion that Rovers have any involvement in this at the moment. For the moment best not to feed sensationalism and go with the facts as established by the authorities. Well, it was partly that, but also one of the words used was pretty distasteful in all honesty. Either way, thank you  |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 9, 2016 17:59:53 GMT
Agreed - have edited the title of the thread because there's no suggestion that Rovers have any involvement in this at the moment. For the moment best not to feed sensationalism and go with the facts as established by the authorities. Well, it was partly that, but also one of the words used was pretty distasteful in all honesty. Either way, thank you ah, taste. Too chintzy, perhaps? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 9, 2016 18:01:03 GMT
There's this Media tendency to use historic scandals to hammer present structures as fatally flawed possibly with a view to distracting attention from in-house historic failings, in some cases |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 9, 2016 18:03:36 GMT
I posted this thread to see what people would have to say
its an interesting mix so far. I suppose the best case would have been something along the lines of 'I know something of the club's procedures and, while no system (or contract!) is ever watertight, I think they are doing all that they can and are at the forefront of efforts in sport'
no knowledge shared so far though, just general opinions on approaches to the subject matter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 19:57:35 GMT
Well, it was partly that, but also one of the words used was pretty distasteful in all honesty. Either way, thank you ah, taste. Too chintzy, perhaps? Just crass and a bit unpleasant, especially so when dealing with a sensitive subject. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 9, 2016 20:21:12 GMT
ah, taste. Too chintzy, perhaps? Just crass and a bit unpleasant, especially so when dealing with a sensitive subject. whereas 'sexual abuse of children' or 'child molestation' are somehow less unpleasant?
not to my ear. As you say, taste
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Post by Igitur on Dec 10, 2016 11:24:22 GMT
In, what was for it, a good Comment article in The Metro, citing priests, choirmasters, scout leaders and others, it wrote that "...it's not football that's sick, it's society..."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 12:51:41 GMT
In, what was for it, a good Comment article in The Metro, citing priests, choirmasters, scout leaders and others, it wrote that "...it's not football that's sick, it's society..." Steady on, because these people seek out victims across the whole of society that doesn't make society 'sick', does it? Thinking I'm glad I've never bothered to read The Metro |
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Post by Igitur on Dec 10, 2016 13:02:55 GMT
In, what was for it, a good Comment article in The Metro, citing priests, choirmasters, scout leaders and others, it wrote that "...it's not football that's sick, it's society..." Steady on, because these people seek out victims across the whole of society that doesn't make society 'sick', does it? Thinking I'm glad I've never bothered to read The Metro Sick means having some kind of malaise, not necessarily terminal. Also you've misread the quote, it's various parts of society seeking out victims. I did indicate that The Metro was certainly not The Times. Anyway each to their own, and that's where I'll leave it. |
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