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Post by matealotblue on Nov 1, 2016 8:43:01 GMT
I am somewhat bemused by the (almost) annual ritual arguments over the wearing/display of Poppies on club/National shirts. Once again there is discussions n over what England/Scotland may/may not wear on their shirts for the upcoming international. What fine/sanction that may ensue from this. No doubt the PL will start their annual will we/won't we discussion shortly.
Its a farce. I'm no historical buff but even by my calculation WW1 ended nearly 100 years ago - and we still can't come to a decision on this?
There is no need to have this annual discussion - make a decision and get on with it.
PS - Clearly the poppy symbolises sacrifices in all conflicts not just WWI, just to clarify.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 9:04:03 GMT
The PL doesn't have a debate, all the teams wear one except for James McClean at West Brom who thinks he's clever.
The national team debate is boring I agree. If its against the rules then just don't wear one. The argument is undignified, in my opinion.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 1, 2016 10:21:31 GMT
The PL doesn't have a debate, all the teams wear one except for James McClean at West Brom who thinks he's clever. The national team debate is boring I agree. If its against the rules then just don't wear one. The argument is undignified, in my opinion. Thanks, maybe getting the PL issue mixed up with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 11:38:06 GMT
I mean, it doesn't really matter does it.
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Post by Rex on Nov 1, 2016 14:00:35 GMT
The PL doesn't have a debate, all the teams wear one except for James McClean at West Brom who thinks he's clever. The national team debate is boring I agree. If its against the rules then just don't wear one. The argument is undignified, in my opinion. No, he just chooses not to wear one.
I wish we could go back to the days when if you wanted to wear a poppy you bought one, and if you didn't want to wear one, you didn't buy one. Quite why we have to have poppies on everything in some sort of 'I'm a bigger patriot than you' bollocks is beyond me.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 1, 2016 16:22:38 GMT
The PL doesn't have a debate, all the teams wear one except for James McClean at West Brom who thinks he's clever. The national team debate is boring I agree. If its against the rules then just don't wear one. The argument is undignified, in my opinion. No, he just chooses not to wear one.
I wish we could go back to the days when if you wanted to wear a poppy you bought one, and if you didn't want to wear one, you didn't buy one. Quite why we have to have poppies on everything in some sort of 'I'm a bigger patriot than you' bollocks is beyond me.
Largely I think it's to do with social media (wrongly in my view) taking over over our social/moral conciense. If you don't say/do what the armchair critics want you to do woe betide you. Not allowed to have a view that is different without being blasted to kingdom come by the twatterati. So the default is to show extreme the other way. Well that's my view.....other views/opinions are available. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2016 22:19:09 GMT
No, he just chooses not to wear one.
I wish we could go back to the days when if you wanted to wear a poppy you bought one, and if you didn't want to wear one, you didn't buy one. Quite why we have to have poppies on everything in some sort of 'I'm a bigger patriot than you' bollocks is beyond me.
Largely I think it's to do with social media (wrongly in my view) taking over over our social/moral conciense. If you don't say/do what the armchair critics want you to do woe betide you. Not allowed to have a view that is different without being blasted to kingdom come by the twatterati. So the default is to show extreme the other way. Well that's my view.....other views/opinions are available. I agree fully. I was in the Army for 22 years and whilst the poppy represents the loss, it does not stop the feeling of loss I feel for comrades in arms that I knew that are no longer with us. I used to be a RBL welfare officer but gave it up. The poppy has become too commercialised, poppy with corps / regiment on it etc. I have not attended a remembrance service since leaving the forces, not because I think they are wrong as I think about the fallen often, but do we need to be reminded every year? Also do we need to buy that top that donates say a fraction to the \RBL whilst the supplier is still making a nice profit? (Army v Navy with poppy on it, as an example) I often will stop at cenotaphs and have a quiet prayer. The stupid thing is do not FIFA look at dates? 11th November in Europe, no that's not a good date! |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Nov 2, 2016 18:21:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 22:48:34 GMT
If FIFA could ever drag themselves away from the important work of awarding each other millions for work that nobody has ever done, they may notice this and they would not be amused! |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 4, 2016 9:25:10 GMT
FIFA can GTF. Personally - I would like to see both sides wear the poppy on the shirt (not on an armband). Who are we offending exactly? The wearing of the poppy (in it's various guises) helps filter some money towards worth while causes.
And if FIFA fine or dock us points, so what. (Scotland might not be able to suffer the loss of points though!).
The right to remember the war dead on November 11th is more important. And I think the Keepmoat Stadium looks great.
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Post by shakes on Nov 6, 2016 3:45:30 GMT
I think Fifa is correct. Sport is about competition for the moment and should try to be seen as non-political, non-religious and non-discriminatory.
In wars all sides suffer and we, as nations, should never forget our history. However, if all nations started commemorating historical war events using logos on football tops then this could serve as antagonism in the modern world. I wouldn't expect Kosovo v Serbia to be a calm event if both teams turned the football match into a greater political event by wearing religious and cultural symbolism on their sporting kit. Would we feel comfortable as englanders if the many countries that 'Brittania ruled' started visually symbolising the brutal acts of the British empire through their equivalent of a poppy.
FIFA are absolutely not opposing remembrance but are trying to apply a rule to all countries removing politics from the game of football. The little englanders don't like being told what to do by an international body, they love a tabloid campaign and will follow the social-media herd in jumping on a bang wagon to destination nowhere.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Nov 6, 2016 13:05:48 GMT
Interesting article by Rod Liddle in to-day's Sunday Times in which he praises FIFA for encouraging middle eastern females to play football at last but points out they have to wear headscarves in accordance with islamic Ideology.
NB.Few Rover's connections in Sunday's FA Cup matches.AngeloBalanta,Jamie Lucas,Sean Rigg,Steve Parkes,Matt Lund etc.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 21:35:41 GMT
I think Fifa is correct. Sport is about competition for the moment and should try to be seen as non-political, non-religious and non-discriminatory. In wars all sides suffer and we, as nations, should never forget our history. However, if all nations started commemorating historical war events using logos on football tops then this could serve as antagonism in the modern world. I wouldn't expect Kosovo v Serbia to be a calm event if both teams turned the football match into a greater political event by wearing religious and cultural symbolism on their sporting kit. Would we feel comfortable as englanders if the many countries that 'Brittania ruled' started visually symbolising the brutal acts of the British empire through their equivalent of a poppy. FIFA are absolutely not opposing remembrance but are trying to apply a rule to all countries removing politics from the game of football. The little englanders don't like being told what to do by an international body, they love a tabloid campaign and will follow the social-media herd in jumping on a bang wagon to destination nowhere. May as well ban the colours that a lot of international teams play in, and their crests whilst you're at it. Let's start with the 3 lions, all derived from standards carried in to battle. I see your 'social media herd jumping on a band wagon' and I raise you 'a clutch of hysterical SJWs all desperate to take offence to something, anything, as many times as possible every day'. |
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Post by chelt_gas on Nov 8, 2016 8:15:34 GMT
I think Fifa is correct. Sport is about competition for the moment and should try to be seen as non-political, non-religious and non-discriminatory. In wars all sides suffer and we, as nations, should never forget our history. However, if all nations started commemorating historical war events using logos on football tops then this could serve as antagonism in the modern world. I wouldn't expect Kosovo v Serbia to be a calm event if both teams turned the football match into a greater political event by wearing religious and cultural symbolism on their sporting kit. Would we feel comfortable as englanders if the many countries that 'Brittania ruled' started visually symbolising the brutal acts of the British empire through their equivalent of a poppy. FIFA are absolutely not opposing remembrance but are trying to apply a rule to all countries removing politics from the game of football. The little englanders don't like being told what to do by an international body, they love a tabloid campaign and will follow the social-media herd in jumping on a bang wagon to destination nowhere. May as well ban the colours that a lot of international teams play in, and their crests whilst you're at it. Let's start with the 3 lions, all derived from standards carried in to battle. I see your 'social media herd jumping on a band wagon' and I raise you 'a clutch of hysterical SJWs all desperate to take offence to something, anything, as many times as possible every day'. You're absolutely correct. Nations colours, emblems and flags are nearly always based on historical politics but any debate can digress to the unsolveable if any or all sides take their argument to the nth degree. The compromise Fifa look to be achieving is in removing political symbols that have intentionally been used to evoke or provoke a reaction beyond the game of football. In the first world war the english and germans played a game of football to take their minds away from war, we shouldn't be using football to remind us of war. The FA should take the moral high ground and understand the wider objective of world football. There's a good article in today's football365 on this matter www.football365.com/news/fifa-right-on-poppies-they-are-political |
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 8, 2016 10:41:23 GMT
I am not saying what is right or wrong, but if we wore a Poppy on our shirts and we were playing Argentina this weekend.....
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Post by Rex on Nov 8, 2016 21:11:09 GMT
I think Fifa is correct. Sport is about competition for the moment and should try to be seen as non-political, non-religious and non-discriminatory. In wars all sides suffer and we, as nations, should never forget our history. However, if all nations started commemorating historical war events using logos on football tops then this could serve as antagonism in the modern world. I wouldn't expect Kosovo v Serbia to be a calm event if both teams turned the football match into a greater political event by wearing religious and cultural symbolism on their sporting kit. Would we feel comfortable as englanders if the many countries that 'Brittania ruled' started visually symbolising the brutal acts of the British empire through their equivalent of a poppy. FIFA are absolutely not opposing remembrance but are trying to apply a rule to all countries removing politics from the game of football. The little englanders don't like being told what to do by an international body, they love a tabloid campaign and will follow the social-media herd in jumping on a bang wagon to destination nowhere. May as well ban the colours that a lot of international teams play in, and their crests whilst you're at it. Let's start with the 3 lions, all derived from standards carried in to battle. I see your 'social media herd jumping on a band wagon' and I raise you 'a clutch of hysterical SJWs all desperate to take offence to something, anything, as many times as possible every day'. SJW? (and yes I did try Google) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 21:25:10 GMT
May as well ban the colours that a lot of international teams play in, and their crests whilst you're at it. Let's start with the 3 lions, all derived from standards carried in to battle. I see your 'social media herd jumping on a band wagon' and I raise you 'a clutch of hysterical SJWs all desperate to take offence to something, anything, as many times as possible every day'. SJW? (and yes I did try Google) Social Justice Warrior, I think your Google thingy must be broked. |
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Post by Rex on Nov 8, 2016 21:39:41 GMT
SJW? (and yes I did try Google) Social Justice Warrior, I think your Google thingy must be broked. Oddly now when I try it I get the right answer, I wonder if there is a direct correlation between the amount of gin I have had, and my ability to type correctly. |
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 9, 2016 20:32:19 GMT
I am not saying what is right or wrong, but if we wore a Poppy on our shirts and we were playing Argentina this weekend..... .....we would beat them again. Simples! (Assuming the hand of God wasn't involved this time) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 14:17:25 GMT
May as well ban the colours that a lot of international teams play in, and their crests whilst you're at it. Let's start with the 3 lions, all derived from standards carried in to battle. I see your 'social media herd jumping on a band wagon' and I raise you 'a clutch of hysterical SJWs all desperate to take offence to something, anything, as many times as possible every day'. You're absolutely correct. Nations colours, emblems and flags are nearly always based on historical politics but any debate can digress to the unsolveable if any or all sides take their argument to the nth degree. The compromise Fifa look to be achieving is in removing political symbols that have intentionally been used to evoke or provoke a reaction beyond the game of football. In the first world war the english and germans played a game of football to take their minds away from war, we shouldn't be using football to remind us of war. The FA should take the moral high ground and understand the wider objective of world football. There's a good article in today's football365 on this matter www.football365.com/news/fifa-right-on-poppies-they-are-political Looks like FIFA have backed down and are trying to spin their way out of a corner. As for 'moral high ground', you hand away your right to show respect for those who were brave enough to take up arms and protect us whilst we sleep, but don't try to do it in my name, I'll wear a poppy where and when I want and to hell with anyone who tries to instruct my national team not to do likewise. |
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