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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 5, 2016 12:04:19 GMT
'Rubbish' rules, giggling goalkeepers and dismal attendances - how the EFL trophy became a laughing stock
www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/05/rubbish-rules-giggling-goalkeepers-and-dismal-attendances---how/
some of my favourite bits...
Supporters of lower league clubs despaired at their tournament being turned into a training ground for the biggest teams’ youngsters but even they could not have imagined just how dismal the tournament has become.
As MK Dons manager Karl Robinson said: "I think the rules need to change drastically, or don't have the competition. "I don't think it is conducive to development anymore. I think it's rubbish.
On Tuesday night Bradford stuck a metaphorical middle finger up at the competition by substituting their goalkeeper Colin Doyle after just three minutes. "I thought he [Doyle] had a poor 45 seconds" Bradford's assistant manager Kenny Black said after the match.
on Tuesday night Portsmouth had their lowest ever post-war crowd as 1,355 spectators pitched up for their 2-2 draw with Reading Under-23s. By way of comparison almost 17,000 were at Fratton Park on Saturday to see Portsmouth’s League Two match against Doncaster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 12:05:45 GMT
Karl Robinson can jog on. I think MK Dons is rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 12:24:30 GMT
Karl Robinson w**ks off dogs.
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Post by crater on Oct 5, 2016 14:49:29 GMT
He's still right though
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 5, 2016 15:55:35 GMT
Karl Robinson w***s off dogs. Dave that's a pretty childish comment ...you not been taking your medicine again? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 16:33:04 GMT
Yes he is. I just think MK Dons are part of the same blight on our game as the FLT reforms; total disrespect for the football pyramid structure. |
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 5, 2016 18:37:01 GMT
And the complicated rules mean supporters will need a degree in computer science to figure out if their team has made it through to the next round. Oh for the days of a straightforward win,lose or draw. FROM THE EVIL POST:
If Rovers win at Fratton ParkA victory at Fratton Park would mean that Rovers will qualify for the knockout stages if Yeovil, who are currently placed second in the group, lose against Reading Under21 at the Madejski Stadium. If Yeovil win at the Madejski Stadium If Yeovil win the game at Reading they would top the group. Rovers could still qualify, but they would need to win at Fratton Park and then goal difference would decide who claims the second qualifying spot between them and the Reading Under21 side. If Reading and Yeovil draw
Rovers could still qualify on goal difference but would need the penalty shoot-out bonus point to go to Reading. If the match is drawn and Yeovil win on penalties, Rovers would be out regardless of what happens at Fratton Park. As it stands  If Rovers drawIf Rovers draw at Fratton Park they could still qualify. They would need to win the penalty shoot-out and get the bonus point. Rovers would also need Reading to beat Yeovil by more than two goals for Rovers to qualify by way of goal difference. If Rovers loseRovers' participation in the competition will be over at the end of the group stage if they lose at Fratton Park. Read more at www.bristolpost.co.uk/what-needs-to-happen-for-bristol-rovers-to-qualify-for-the-knockout-stages-of-the-efl-trophy/story-29780544-detail/story.html#4lhzEjmoyhmDKBPR.99 |
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 6, 2016 7:16:08 GMT
exciting times !
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Post by c4h10 on Oct 6, 2016 9:14:54 GMT
Well worth clicking on the link within the Telegraph link (The Set Pieces), as well. A brilliant summing-up of the situation.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 7, 2016 12:21:43 GMT
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Post by matealotblue on Oct 7, 2016 12:31:36 GMT
Well worth clicking on the link within the Telegraph link (The Set Pieces), as well. A brilliant summing-up of the situation. Couldn't agree more. Says it all. |
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 7, 2016 12:38:53 GMT
Hi Mike (I think you are Mike Jay?). Big big fan of your books, well written comprehensive histories of the club.
I do have to ask though - you've surly read the arguments against the changes to the EFL trophy, as it's now called. You've expressed your support for these changes on numerous occasions, but as far a I can see, you've never really given your reasons for supporting the changes. So I am intrigued - how do you counter the arguments against the changes to this competion?
I really am interested to hear the arguments from the other side of the fence.
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Post by Igitur on Dec 6, 2016 15:46:30 GMT
One U21 side through to the next round (the ghastly named last of 16) after last night, one more tonight for sure and definitely another next week.
The Jocks are doing slightly better, with just the one 'interloper' getting through to the semis of their version of the Trophy (the Scots Challenge Cup), but a Welsh side could still win it.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 6, 2016 17:03:02 GMT
One U21 side through to the next round (the ghastly named last of 16) after last night, one more tonight for sure and definitely another next week. The Jocks are doing slightly better, with just the one 'interloper' getting through to the semis, but a Welsh side could still win it. I thought you'd lost the plot with your second sentence, until I looked up the results from the Scottish Challenge Cup, of which I was previously unaware. The world has run mad.  |
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Post by Igitur on Dec 6, 2016 19:04:28 GMT
One U21 side through to the next round (the ghastly named last of 16) after last night, one more tonight for sure and definitely another next week. The Jocks are doing slightly better, with just the one 'interloper' getting through to the semis, but a Welsh side could still win it. I thought you'd lost the plot with your second sentence, until I looked up the results from the Scottish Challenge Cup, of which I was previously unaware. The world has run mad. I've made an amendment, but any way it is written it still does not make sense - the world went mad some time ago! |
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Post by Igitur on Dec 9, 2016 12:08:57 GMT
OK I have become obsessed by this nonsensical trophy, perhaps I should go to yoga with my wife. But surprise surprise, Shaun Harvey who, it is alleged, ran away from the circus to join the EFL, has said that errors were made, but overall it was a good thing for youth football, but as for changes for next year, in: www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/08/checkatrade-trophy-english-football-leaguewe have the lovely statement: When asked if this meant the cup could be scrapped after a single season, Harvey said: “There’s as much potential that it won’t as it will.”Who knows what dog's dinner will be served up next, as after all the EFL produced this year's rubbish? Meanwhile clubs will be encouraged by receiving grants to field youngsters: Harvey was speaking at the launch of EFL Futures, another new initiative to help develop young, homegrown talent. A prize fund of £2.25m is to be distributed across Football League clubs over the next three seasons according to the number of appearances made by English players under the age of 21 (for Newport County and Cardiff, the players must be Welsh).
Funded from the EFL’s 1% youth development levy, the league hopes to nudge clubs into giving academy talent more first team opportunities. The scheme will also be supported by Sky, who will mark the names of young prospects with a red F when they appear on live broadcasts.
Perhaps the EFL Futures iniative should have been named The Sir Matt Busby, If They Are Good Enough They Are Old Enough Scheme. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 9, 2016 12:46:11 GMT
More likely to be renamed The Peter Crouch Future of England Fund
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Post by irishrover on Dec 9, 2016 16:51:02 GMT
OK I have become obsessed by this nonsensical trophy, perhaps I should go to yoga with my wife. But surprise surprise, Shaun Harvey who, it is alleged, ran away from the circus to join the EFL, has said that errors were made, but overall it was a good thing for youth football, but as for changes for next year, in: www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/08/checkatrade-trophy-english-football-leaguewe have the lovely statement: When asked if this meant the cup could be scrapped after a single season, Harvey said: “There’s as much potential that it won’t as it will.”Who knows what dog's dinner will be served up next, as after all the EFL produced this year's rubbish? Meanwhile clubs will be encouraged by receiving grants to field youngsters: Harvey was speaking at the launch of EFL Futures, another new initiative to help develop young, homegrown talent. A prize fund of £2.25m is to be distributed across Football League clubs over the next three seasons according to the number of appearances made by English players under the age of 21 (for Newport County and Cardiff, the players must be Welsh).
Funded from the EFL’s 1% youth development levy, the league hopes to nudge clubs into giving academy talent more first team opportunities. The scheme will also be supported by Sky, who will mark the names of young prospects with a red F when they appear on live broadcasts.
Perhaps the EFL Futures iniative should have been named The Sir Matt Busby, If They Are Good Enough They Are Old Enough Scheme. Ah - he seems to have fed this problem into the 'Microsoft corporate excuse making statement generator'. Maybe this was all part of a secret conspiracy to kill the competition off......I mean it's just nonsense - when in hole stop digging. Admitting it was a badly thought out failure would be a good start. But this sits on the fence - kind of admits it was badly thought about but still seems desperate to salvage something from the wreckage. The point about youth development is absurd because the competition has actually been designed to stifle lower ranking EFL clubs using the competition for that purpose as they are penalised for fielding weakened teams. The point therefore remains - why is it in the interests of clubs in Leagues 1 and 2 to help develop the U21 systems of Championship clubs? and Why on earth should fans of those clubs pay to watch this? If you can't provide an adequate answer to that then you need to scrap the thing and go back to the drawing board. |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 28, 2016 17:55:08 GMT
I know a few teams had to catch up some League One fixtures, so I dug into the BBC results pages to see who had played in the last week or so.
On 21st December, Millwall went above us, following their 3-1 win over Charlton.
No doubt we can all be consoled by knowing that, the same night, our Checkatrade conquerors Reading U21 proceeded to the third round of the trophy, knocking out Southampton U21 4-3 on penalties. I can't find a record of the attendance, but in several photos of the game, I can only see one person sat in the stands at St Mary's.
Only Oldham and Peterborough haven't played 23 games in League One to date. The game at Boundary Park last month was called off as the pitch was frozen.
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Post by Igitur on Jan 8, 2017 14:56:21 GMT
Klopp has reduced the FA Cup to the level of the EFL Trophy by fielding Liverpool's youngest team ever with an average age of 21, perhaps that's why its academy was not entered into the Checkatrade.
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