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Post by stevek192 on Aug 11, 2016 7:01:51 GMT
For DC to turn around the one downside of his time as Manager as a complete and utter failure- an atrocrocious record in all cup competitions. OK people can throw back that this failure may be part of the reason why we have gained two promotions but what better time to turn the side then to take away from Bristol City the chance to play Chelsea!
I may be wrong but I cannot recall DC masterminding any good results against superior opposition during his tenure and I put this down to the way we play and allow the opposition to have too much of the ball in their own half and doing this their superior quality enables them to retain possession for long periods of the game and actually ends up with us defending very deep.
Tonight for me has now become a very important game for us with the result having such a bearing on our neighbours- what bigger incentive could there be then the chance to play at Chelsea in two weeks time and in doing so send City off to a big match in......Scunthorpe. Cardiff IMO are not the force they were a couple of years ago and although they must be respected as a Championship club I feel that DC almost gives the opposition the game in these matches and almost instils fear into the players with the way we set up.
For me it is the one area where I have concerns about DC's ability to take us further than a mid table League 1 side and before anyone says I am being unfair in that I am talking about beating teams from higher League positions - it may be difficult and asking too much but teams like Oxford, Bradford City have done it fairly regularly and many other lower clubs have beaten teams from higher divisions. IMO it is down to fear of losing by a big margin by taking a risk and changing the "normal" system. Better quality teams love time on the ball and we give teams that in abundance.
Tonight is DC's chance to prove me totally wrong and go out and hassle Cardiff from the kick off and stop them playing football from the back. Fortune favours the brave or so I have been told so ;lets not fear Cardiff Darrell and give it a real go rather than the usual cup game that sees us hugely outclassed. I know people won't like this criticism of DC but am I right or wrong? Is there a weakness in DC's armour or does he also have the ability to pull off Cup shocks in our favour? Is tonights game just a nothing cup game? I think not!!
What is peoples opinion on this?
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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 11, 2016 7:40:57 GMT
Iceland v England.
DC has motivation and team spirit on his side and let's not take away the fact that we have a few Welshy players who'd want to impress their hometown capital (and former club who cast them aside).
I'd be intrigued as to the conversation between the Russian oligarch and either a Jordanian Banker or a Channel Island W****r!
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 11, 2016 7:51:23 GMT
For DC to turn around the one downside of his time as Manager as a complete and utter failure- an atrocrocious record in all cup competitions. OK people can throw back that this failure may be part of the reason why we have gained two promotions but what better time to turn the side then to take away from Bristol City the chance to play Chelsea! I may be wrong but I cannot recall DC masterminding any good results against superior opposition during his tenure and I put this down to the way we play and allow the opposition to have too much of the ball in their own half and doing this their superior quality enables them to retain possession for long periods of the game and actually ends up with us defending very deep. Tonight for me has now become a very important game for us with the result having such a bearing on our neighbours- what bigger incentive could there be then the chance to play at Chelsea in two weeks time and in doing so send City off to a big match in......Scunthorpe. Cardiff IMO are not the force they were a couple of years ago and although they must be respected as a Championship club I feel that DC almost gives the opposition the game in these matches and almost instils fear into the players with the way we set up. For me it is the one area where I have concerns about DC's ability to take us further than a mid table League 1 side and before anyone says I am being unfair in that I am talking about beating teams from higher League positions - it may be difficult and asking too much but teams like Oxford, Bradford City have done it fairly regularly and many other lower clubs have beaten teams from higher divisions. IMO it is down to fear of losing by a big margin by taking a risk and changing the "normal" system. Better quality teams love time on the ball and we give teams that in abundance. Tonight is DC's chance to prove me totally wrong and go out and hassle Cardiff from the kick off and stop them playing football from the back. Fortune favours the brave or so I have been told so ;lets not fear Cardiff Darrell and give it a real go rather than the usual cup game that sees us hugely outclassed. I know people won't like this criticism of DC but am I right or wrong? Is there a weakness in DC's armour or does he also have the ability to pull off Cup shocks in our favour? Is tonights game just a nothing cup game? I think not!! What is peoples opinion on this? Well to be fair, he's only had a 3 chances to play higher league opposition, and they have all been lost by the odd goal. 2 were away and the one at home was against a side 2 divisions higher:
Southend 1 - 0 BRFC (FL Trophy, 11/11/15) BRFC 1 - 2 Brum (League Cup 11/8/15) Tranmere 1 - 0 BRFC (FA Cup, 8/11/14)
Probably average for a side in the divisions we were in at the time.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 11, 2016 8:02:22 GMT
I guess it's not just superior opposition in the cup matches we struggle with, it's cup matches full stop. Bath City, Chesham come to mind and there may be another that I've forgotten but I think it's only Dorchester when we won 7-1 and Wycombe JPT that we've won of cup matches. Yes, it would be good but DC has been on a mission regarding league positions and promotions and I for one won't criticise. We are now back at our historical expectation IMO. So a good cup run like 70/71/72 would be fantastic. In those days we just attacked them, I don't think Bill Dodgin employed too many different tactics!
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Post by mrbluesky on Aug 11, 2016 9:00:15 GMT
i would take the 2 promotions we have had combined with terrible cup results every time to be honest.
same applies to the modest results against top teams,dont care if we lose to the top teams but get promoted.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 11, 2016 10:13:35 GMT
I guess it's not just superior opposition in the cup matches we struggle with, it's cup matches full stop. Bath City, Chesham come to mind and there may be another that I've forgotten but I think it's only Dorchester when we won 7-1 and Wycombe JPT that we've won of cup matches. Yes, it would be good but DC has been on a mission regarding league positions and promotions and I for one won't criticise. We are now back at our historical expectation IMO. So a good cup run like 70/71/72 would be fantastic. In those days we just attacked them, I don't think Bill Dodgin employed too many different tactics! Not sure Bath counts. I don't think we really wanted to win that. Getting promoted was all that mattered |
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Post by Bridgeman on Aug 11, 2016 23:12:41 GMT
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 12, 2016 6:05:37 GMT
blows that theory out the water!!!  lets jut allow him to manage a team that has ,for the last two seasons "over achieved" according to some, this continual doubt and the need to tell all about it is somewhat tedious,..................... if you are unsure of the product........don't buy it  |
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 12, 2016 7:46:23 GMT
blows that theory out the water!!! lets jut allow him to manage a team that has ,for the last two seasons "over achieved" according to some, this continual doubt and the need to tell all about it is somewhat tedious,..................... if you are unsure of the product........don't buy it What a strange thing to say on an internet football forum. All are entitled to thier opinion, if you don't like that opinion then give a counter argument, rather than dismiss thier right to express it on a medium specifically set up for that purpose. |
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Post by belmontman on Aug 12, 2016 9:15:15 GMT
It's being as cheerful that keeps Stevek192 going: "one downside of his time as Manager as a complete and utter failure- an atrocrocious record in all cup competitions"
His match reports are a really good read. His pontificating has a whining tone that curdles what he has to say. Pity.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 12, 2016 9:17:45 GMT
It's being as cheerful that keeps Stevek192 going: "one downside of his time as Manager as a complete and utter failure- an atrocrocious record in all cup competitions" His match reports are a really good read. His pontificating has a whining tone that curdles what he has to say. Pity. He is prone to hyperbole, but I think it's just his way. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 12, 2016 9:19:36 GMT
It's being as cheerful that keeps Stevek192 going: "one downside of his time as Manager as a complete and utter failure- an atrocrocious record in all cup competitions" His match reports are a really good read. His pontificating has a whining tone that curdles what he has to say. Pity. don't agree with that at all - I find his tone quite balanced
and he's quite diplomatic, and doesn't go for ad hominems at others on this forum
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