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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 13:13:34 GMT
I have contacted the EFL to state my opinions (awful idea) on this EFL trophy malarkey. This is their response: Good Afternoon,Thank you for your email, we note your comments.May we take this opportunity to remind you that this is for one season only and is on a trial basis. Whilst we understand that not everyone will agree with the idea, the EFL is committed to looking at ways of re-inventing our competitions in a way that will provide maximum benefit for our clubs. The proposal was sent to clubs and much consultation took place to at the Summer Conference, where clubs were asked to vote in their divisional meetings. We will be monitoring the trial closely with all of our member clubs.Further information and full details will be released in due course.Thank you once again for contacting the EFL. Your feedback is gratefully received.So allegedly this is a one season trial (my bold). Yeah. Right. Sorry don't believe it. If the clubs are monitoring it they will vote for it as they already have done. But looks like we are stuck with it for now. Guess the only way we can do anything about it is to stay away from it. That way they may get the message. Its a poorly supported competition as it is. I would suggest boycot the u21 games and actually turn up for the proper games Getting low crowds for these proper games probably wont make much difference as it happens already they'd be even lower than they normally are, so therefore noticeable. There's no benchmark to measure nonattendance at the B team games.
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 16, 2016 14:03:14 GMT
Its a poorly supported competition as it is. I would suggest boycot the u21 games and actually turn up for the proper games Getting low crowds for these proper games probably wont make much difference as it happens already they'd be even lower than they normally are, so therefore noticeable. There's no benchmark to measure nonattendance at the B team games. No, but if they markedly and consistently lower than the "normal" early games in that competition (is that even possible?) then it may just send a message. We shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 14:30:20 GMT
they'd be even lower than they normally are, so therefore noticeable. There's no benchmark to measure nonattendance at the B team games. No, but if they markedly and consistently lower than the "normal" early games in that competition (is that even possible?) then it may just send a message. We shall see. It may be a clearer message just to ignore the competition, which is what I'll be doing.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 16, 2016 21:02:24 GMT
No, but if they markedly and consistently lower than the "normal" early games in that competition (is that even possible?) then it may just send a message. We shall see. It may be a clearer message just to ignore the competition, which is what I'll be doing. I'm with you shan't be watching any game before the final
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 21:44:35 GMT
It may be a clearer message just to ignore the competition, which is what I'll be doing. I'm with you shan't be watching any game before the final I went to Southend by myself last season. I hope we get to the final, just so I can enjoy not going.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 21, 2016 12:35:59 GMT
Carlisle's response Chief Executive Nigel Clibbens said: “The Club thought long and carefully about its position. It is a competition the Club has enjoyed lots of success in and so any changes must not be taken lightly from our perspective. We all want to see a thriving Trophy that excites fans, and makes them want to watch the games, and we must do all we can to make that happen. “In supporting a short-term trial we are simply being open minded as to possibility that the changes could improve a competition that we hold very dearly – there is no certainty yet either way. For there to be any long-term changes the trial clearly needs to prove success for all parties. “The Football League Trophy, as it was called, has not attracted the support through the early rounds everyone might want and this may help change matters. It obviously remains to be seen whether or not the changes will make it better, but the introduction of new teams and group stages could both enhance the competition and attract new fans - we will see in due course. “This move is solely in respect of the EFL Trophy and from our point of view should not be interpreted in any way whatsoever as opening the door to Premier League teams participation in other EFL competitions. “The EFL wants to do what it can in support of an overall commitment to helping to create more and better home grown players across the wider game, and as long as the changes are not detrimental we want to play our part and work together to do that. At the end of the competition we will reconsider our position. “We have adopted an open minded but cautious view rather than just saying “no thanks”, which I don’t think is unreasonable – yes, it will be different and take some getting used to – but let’s see if it makes things better and then look again next year.” Read more at www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/article/carlisle-united-support-pilot-scheme-ahead-of-the-201617-campaign-3141302.aspx#0mx0rYoE6cy6Oylq.99
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 21, 2016 12:53:56 GMT
Carlisle's response Chief Executive Nigel Clibbens said: “The Club thought long and carefully about its position. It is a competition the Club has enjoyed lots of success in and so any changes must not be taken lightly from our perspective. We all want to see a thriving Trophy that excites fans, and makes them want to watch the games, and we must do all we can to make that happen. “In supporting a short-term trial we are simply being open minded as to possibility that the changes could improve a competition that we hold very dearly – there is no certainty yet either way. For there to be any long-term changes the trial clearly needs to prove success for all parties. “The Football League Trophy, as it was called, has not attracted the support through the early rounds everyone might want and this may help change matters. It obviously remains to be seen whether or not the changes will make it better, but the introduction of new teams and group stages could both enhance the competition and attract new fans - we will see in due course. “This move is solely in respect of the EFL Trophy and from our point of view should not be interpreted in any way whatsoever as opening the door to Premier League teams participation in other EFL competitions. “The EFL wants to do what it can in support of an overall commitment to helping to create more and better home grown players across the wider game, and as long as the changes are not detrimental we want to play our part and work together to do that. At the end of the competition we will reconsider our position. “We have adopted an open minded but cautious view rather than just saying “no thanks”, which I don’t think is unreasonable – yes, it will be different and take some getting used to – but let’s see if it makes things better and then look again next year.” Read more at www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/article/carlisle-united-support-pilot-scheme-ahead-of-the-201617-campaign-3141302.aspx#0mx0rYoE6cy6Oylq.99For " short term trial" read "thin end of the wedge" For "should not be interpreted as opening the door to PL teams in the football league" add "just yet" PL will not be happy until they have had their cake, eaten it, spewed it out and eaten it again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 16:34:51 GMT
Carlisle's response Chief Executive Nigel Clibbens said: “The Club thought long and carefully about its position. It is a competition the Club has enjoyed lots of success in and so any changes must not be taken lightly from our perspective. We all want to see a thriving Trophy that excites fans, and makes them want to watch the games, and we must do all we can to make that happen. “In supporting a short-term trial we are simply being open minded as to possibility that the changes could improve a competition that we hold very dearly – there is no certainty yet either way. For there to be any long-term changes the trial clearly needs to prove success for all parties. “The Football League Trophy, as it was called, has not attracted the support through the early rounds everyone might want and this may help change matters. It obviously remains to be seen whether or not the changes will make it better, but the introduction of new teams and group stages could both enhance the competition and attract new fans - we will see in due course. “This move is solely in respect of the EFL Trophy and from our point of view should not be interpreted in any way whatsoever as opening the door to Premier League teams participation in other EFL competitions. “The EFL wants to do what it can in support of an overall commitment to helping to create more and better home grown players across the wider game, and as long as the changes are not detrimental we want to play our part and work together to do that. At the end of the competition we will reconsider our position. “We have adopted an open minded but cautious view rather than just saying “no thanks”, which I don’t think is unreasonable – yes, it will be different and take some getting used to – but let’s see if it makes things better and then look again next year.” Read more at www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/article/carlisle-united-support-pilot-scheme-ahead-of-the-201617-campaign-3141302.aspx#0mx0rYoE6cy6Oylq.99I'm struggling to see any rhyme or reason in that. “This move is solely in respect of the EFL Trophy and from our point of view should not be interpreted in any way whatsoever as opening the door to Premier League teams participation in other EFL competitions. So so why open the door to this competition? “The EFL wants to do what it can in support of an overall commitment to helping to create more and better home grown players across the wider game, and as long as the changes are not detrimental we want to play our part and work together to do that. At the end of the competition we will reconsider our position.Across the the wider game? How does helping the PL fit their remit, and how does this nonsense help to create more and better home grown players? If it's a good thing for the game to give PL U21s a run out against the dross, surely the more of that the better, so why restrict it to the Paint Pot? How is this likely to improve the competition and attract more fans? He doesn't say. Even if it packs out Wembley for a Man U U21s v Man C U21s final (if), how does that help a competition for league 1 and 2 clubs, none of which will still be in it, or any of the clubs that aren't there, when two of them would have been? Short of a potential jolly to Wembley, no-one cares about the competition, and that potential's been reduced. I can buy 'might be a good thing', if there's some basis for the 'might'. What's in it for Carlisle? A game against Sunderland U21s. Who cares? Anything else?
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 21, 2016 17:37:01 GMT
Well judging by my reply from the FL posted previously they seem to think that it will benefit the League Clubs! Agree with you - struggling to see how that may be. And it comes down to one thing - MONEY! Guess where that is coming from? Our only weapon is to avoid this competition like the plague, All rounds, all fixtures. Got to give them a metaphorical bloody nose on this one. If no one turns up (below even what is normally a low turn out early doors in this competition) we might just be head on this one.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 21, 2016 17:48:42 GMT
Well judging by my reply from the FL posted previously they seem to think that it will benefit the League Clubs! Agree with you - struggling to see how that may be. And it comes down to one thing - MONEY! Guess where that is coming from? Our only weapon is to avoid this competition like the plague, All rounds, all fixtures. Got to give them a metaphorical bloody nose on this one. If no one turns up (below even what is normally a low turn out early doors in this competition) we might just be head on this one. Thing is i dont see crowds being that much lower.
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 21, 2016 18:00:33 GMT
Well judging by my reply from the FL posted previously they seem to think that it will benefit the League Clubs! Agree with you - struggling to see how that may be. And it comes down to one thing - MONEY! Guess where that is coming from? Our only weapon is to avoid this competition like the plague, All rounds, all fixtures. Got to give them a metaphorical bloody nose on this one. If no one turns up (below even what is normally a low turn out early doors in this competition) we might just be head on this one. Thing is i dont see crowds being that much lower. Possibly so. We will have to wait and see. But arguably if crowds do not actually increase then that could also be interpreted as a failure to grab the imagination of the fans. Think we will just have to wait and see. Bit like a referendum.......!
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