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Post by shakes on Jun 11, 2016 13:28:32 GMT
Vote out!!!
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Post by PessimistGas on Jun 11, 2016 14:09:12 GMT
Seems that Rovers, along with Oxford, also voted against this abomination.
Well done Wael.
What I don't get is that Championship sides didn't get a vote - I'd assumed they had bulldozed it through - why would the Turkeys vote for Xmas?
Plus only 50% of L1/2 clubs were required to approve this, as opposed to 90% - how did this come about? Smells like a stich up.
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Post by fanatical on Jun 11, 2016 17:09:52 GMT
In due course if this was allowed to continue lower league clubs will go out of business and div 2 & 1 will comprise of Prem sides nd,3rd,4th teams and the EFL will be like the Scottish league
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Post by gasheadpirate on Jun 11, 2016 18:24:31 GMT
Seems that Rovers, along with Oxford, also voted against this abomination. Well done Wael. What I don't get is that Championship sides didn't get a vote - I'd assumed they had bulldozed it through - why would the Turkeys vote for Xmas? Plus only 50% of L1/2 clubs were required to approve this, as opposed to 90% - how did this come about? Smells like a stich up. Correct. I emailed Steve Hamer on this and a personal matter I have with the club. Steve confirmed he opposed it and spoke vigorously against it.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 11, 2016 19:23:19 GMT
Seems that Rovers, along with Oxford, also voted against this abomination. Well done Wael. What I don't get is that Championship sides didn't get a vote - I'd assumed they had bulldozed it through - why would the Turkeys vote for Xmas? Plus only 50% of L1/2 clubs were required to approve this, as opposed to 90% - how did this come about? Smells like a stich up. Correct. I emailed Steve Hamer on this and a personal matter I have with the club. Steve confirmed he opposed it and spoke vigorously against it. What a change in approach to us as fans, how often did we hear in the past of silence being the response to most peoples letters or e-mails, yet now we hear regularly from people who have received responses to their correspondence.
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Post by Rex on Jun 11, 2016 19:32:12 GMT
In due course if this was allowed to continue lower league clubs will go out of business and div 2 & 1 will comprise of Prem sides nd,3rd,4th teams and the EFL will be like the Scottish league So nothing like the Scottish League at all then, much more like the Spanish League.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jun 11, 2016 19:57:18 GMT
Seems that Rovers, along with Oxford, also voted against this abomination. Well done Wael. What I don't get is that Championship sides didn't get a vote - I'd assumed they had bulldozed it through - why would the Turkeys vote for Xmas? Plus only 50% of L1/2 clubs were required to approve this, as opposed to 90% - how did this come about? Smells like a stich up. Indeed, it does! I'm always naturally suspicious if votes on decisions like this aren't conducted with transparency.. Fair play to Hamer though....as much as others and myself criticised his opinions on a different thread, I support him wholeheartedly on this. Hamer back IN!
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2016 9:36:33 GMT
Correct. I emailed Steve Hamer on this and a personal matter I have with the club. Steve confirmed he opposed it and spoke vigorously against it. What a change in approach to us as fans, how often did we hear in the past of silence being the response to most peoples letters or e-mails, yet now we hear regularly from people who have received responses to their correspondence. Agree totally and well done to Steve Hamer for his position. Have just seen this whole thread after a week away without Internet. What a totally stupid idea which is just about money and what's best for the PL clubs. This is nothing to do with providing opportunities for the younger English players at these clubs. The U21 teams will be full of foreigner young players. My biggest gripe is that enough Chairmen from other clubs voted this through. Why? I suspect that somewhere along the line there will have been a lot of conversations about scratching each other's backs and this worries me. The EFL trophy is the thin end of the wedge. I said in an earlier thread when discussing the league being expanded to 100 teams I would be worried about PL second teams coming into it. Could happen now. Some Chairmen have taken the £1m pounds that the PL have given for this to happen and in two years it will be £5m to allow second teams in the league. Our Football League masters are trying to ingratiate themselves with the PL, absolute cretins. If the PL teams have one match at home will it be at their real home or where the U21s play? Would Man U U21s play Bury at Old T or a training ground somewhere? Apart from obviously boycotting the whole thing, what about treating the match as youth league match and playing OUR U21s and letting fans in for free so not to antagonise them. That way the PL teams wouldn't get much out of it and would soon yawn and go away. Unfortunately teams like ours and most other teams in our lower leagues depend upon loan players from bigger teams and Chairmen, quite rightly, won't want to upset these big teams. A real dilemma for teams like us. In this position it is up to the fans to boycott and show our real opinion to being treated like this. That way the Chairmen can still maintain relationships with their fellow chairmen in higher leagues and just blame it on us riff-raff! I feel with their financial power they have us whichever way it is. But I am disgusted by the chairmen who voted it through and would love to know their reasons why and with the EFL. It's nor about improving the game, it's not about giving younger players a chance, so what is it? Guess I will wait a long time for an answer. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 10:46:05 GMT
I seen this just now from Against League 3 on twitter.
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 12, 2016 11:24:27 GMT
What a change in approach to us as fans, how often did we hear in the past of silence being the response to most peoples letters or e-mails, yet now we hear regularly from people who have received responses to their correspondence. Agree totally and well done to Steve Hamer for his position. Have just seen this whole thread after a week away without Internet. What a totally stupid idea which is just about money and what's best for the PL clubs. This is nothing to do with providing opportunities for the younger English players at these clubs. The U21 teams will be full of foreigner young players. My biggest gripe is that enough Chairmen from other clubs voted this through. Why? I suspect that somewhere along the line there will have been a lot of conversations about scratching each other's backs and this worries me. The EFL trophy is the thin end of the wedge. I said in an earlier thread when discussing the league being expanded to 100 teams I would be worried about PL second teams coming into it. Could happen now. Some Chairmen have taken the £1m pounds that the PL have given for this to happen and in two years it will be £5m to allow second teams in the league. Our Football League masters are trying to ingratiate themselves with the PL, absolute cretins. If the PL teams have one match at home will it be at their real home or where the U21s play? Would Man U U21s play Bury at Old T or a training ground somewhere? Apart from obviously boycotting the whole thing, what about treating the match as youth league match and playing OUR U21s and letting fans in for free so not to antagonise them. That way the PL teams wouldn't get much out of it and would soon yawn and go away. Unfortunately teams like ours and most other teams in our lower leagues depend upon loan players from bigger teams and Chairmen, quite rightly, won't want to upset these big teams. A real dilemma for teams like us. In this position it is up to the fans to boycott and show our real opinion to being treated like this. That way the Chairmen can still maintain relationships with their fellow chairmen in higher leagues and just blame it on us riff-raff! I feel with their financial power they have us whichever way it is. But I am disgusted by the chairmen who voted it through and would love to know their reasons why and with the EFL. It's nor about improving the game, it's not about giving younger players a chance, so what is it? Guess I will wait a long time for an answer. UTG! And that is the power we have, but it does need a coordinated effort by fans of all clubs and I am not sure how that could be done? Is there a "fans union" that can organise a strike? Ha! Got my vote if there is. Liverpool showed what can be done (admittedly it was a single club issue so not a direct comparison) but fans on the terraces are needed, despite how much they get ignored by the snout in the trough suits. I think we underestimate our power because they play on our almost unending emotional attachment to a club. We just have to take some short term pain (by not going) to get the long term gain (stop this insanely stupid idea). Just not clear if we have a way of doing this as a coordinated effort.
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 12, 2016 12:09:45 GMT
Agree totally and well done to Steve Hamer for his position. Have just seen this whole thread after a week away without Internet. What a totally stupid idea which is just about money and what's best for the PL clubs. This is nothing to do with providing opportunities for the younger English players at these clubs. The U21 teams will be full of foreigner young players. My biggest gripe is that enough Chairmen from other clubs voted this through. Why? I suspect that somewhere along the line there will have been a lot of conversations about scratching each other's backs and this worries me. The EFL trophy is the thin end of the wedge. I said in an earlier thread when discussing the league being expanded to 100 teams I would be worried about PL second teams coming into it. Could happen now. Some Chairmen have taken the £1m pounds that the PL have given for this to happen and in two years it will be £5m to allow second teams in the league. Our Football League masters are trying to ingratiate themselves with the PL, absolute cretins. If the PL teams have one match at home will it be at their real home or where the U21s play? Would Man U U21s play Bury at Old T or a training ground somewhere? Apart from obviously boycotting the whole thing, what about treating the match as youth league match and playing OUR U21s and letting fans in for free so not to antagonise them. That way the PL teams wouldn't get much out of it and would soon yawn and go away. Unfortunately teams like ours and most other teams in our lower leagues depend upon loan players from bigger teams and Chairmen, quite rightly, won't want to upset these big teams. A real dilemma for teams like us. In this position it is up to the fans to boycott and show our real opinion to being treated like this. That way the Chairmen can still maintain relationships with their fellow chairmen in higher leagues and just blame it on us riff-raff! I feel with their financial power they have us whichever way it is. But I am disgusted by the chairmen who voted it through and would love to know their reasons why and with the EFL. It's nor about improving the game, it's not about giving younger players a chance, so what is it? Guess I will wait a long time for an answer. UTG! And that is the power we have, but it does need a coordinated effort by fans of all clubs and I am not sure how that could be done? Is there a "fans union" that can organise a strike? Ha! Got my vote if there is. Liverpool showed what can be done (admittedly it was a single club issue so not a direct comparison) but fans on the terraces are needed, despite how much they get ignored by the snout in the trough suits. I think we underestimate our power because they play on our almost unending emotional attachment to a club. We just have to take some short term pain (by not going) to get the long term gain (stop this insanely stupid idea). Just not clear if we have a way of doing this as a coordinated effort. FSF (football supporters federation I think) is probably the closest thing
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 12, 2016 12:51:14 GMT
And that is the power we have, but it does need a coordinated effort by fans of all clubs and I am not sure how that could be done? Is there a "fans union" that can organise a strike? Ha! Got my vote if there is. Liverpool showed what can be done (admittedly it was a single club issue so not a direct comparison) but fans on the terraces are needed, despite how much they get ignored by the snout in the trough suits. I think we underestimate our power because they play on our almost unending emotional attachment to a club. We just have to take some short term pain (by not going) to get the long term gain (stop this insanely stupid idea). Just not clear if we have a way of doing this as a coordinated effort. FSF (football supporters federation I think) is probably the closest thing Thanks for that. Just visited their website and had a quick look. Seems it's free to join if any one is interested. Maybe some on here are already members and could comment on how they view that organisation. Looking at the site they have run various campaigns on some issues e.g. safe standing areas. I sent them an email to see what views there may be out there on this, bearing in mind it is a broad based "fans" organisation not just one for lower league clubs so may well include members of PL clubs or whatever who actually think it is a good idea. But if that is the majority view so be it. Will see what comes back.
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 12, 2016 15:26:40 GMT
FSF (football supporters federation I think) is probably the closest thing Thanks for that. Just visited their website and had a quick look. Seems it's free to join if any one is interested. Maybe some on here are already members and could comment on how they view that organisation. Looking at the site they have run various campaigns on some issues e.g. safe standing areas. I sent them an email to see what views there may be out there on this, bearing in mind it is a broad based "fans" organisation not just one for lower league clubs so may well include members of PL clubs or whatever who actually think it is a good idea. But if that is the majority view so be it. Will see what comes back. will be interested in what the come back with. Bear in mind though, they are probably very busy at the moment with events across the channel!
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Post by Igitur on Jun 12, 2016 15:32:30 GMT
Thanks for that. Just visited their website and had a quick look. Seems it's free to join if any one is interested. Maybe some on here are already members and could comment on how they view that organisation. Looking at the site they have run various campaigns on some issues e.g. safe standing areas. I sent them an email to see what views there may be out there on this, bearing in mind it is a broad based "fans" organisation not just one for lower league clubs so may well include members of PL clubs or whatever who actually think it is a good idea. But if that is the majority view so be it. Will see what comes back. will be interested in what the come back with. Bear in mind though, they are probably very busy at the moment with events across the channel! FSF have a meeting that was planned before all this nonsense on 16 July at Wembley, I am torn between it and the Exeter friendly.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2016 15:33:47 GMT
Yes the FSF would be the means of doing it I guess. But it just shows that the PL have the financial power to do what they want. I am sure they wouldn't give a rats**** about what we think, it doesn't even come into their consideration. They are so big financially that they just do what their owners say. The foreign ownership and foreign players have just removed these clubs from the fanbase. Sporting wise and finance wise they are not on the same planet as us. I am afraid of what is happening now as I see over the next few years they will move further away from us but try to influence how our league is run. When they want something to happen they will offer millions to make it happen and the saddest thing will be that Chairmen and owners of the league clubs in 1 and 2 will just agree for it to happen to get the money. I am pleased that Rovers appear to have voted against it with others. But from the list most appear to have kept quiet. Unfortunately the FA and Football League have just rolled over and let it happen. The FA especially have a responsibility to act for the good of football generally in this country but I think they equate that with getting the most money from the PL. I would imagine the people employed by the PL would run rings round the FA amateurs. Oh well, I will try to be positive and look forward to the fixtures coming out and a few more players signing their contracts with us. UTG!
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 12, 2016 15:55:00 GMT
Thanks for that. Just visited their website and had a quick look. Seems it's free to join if any one is interested. Maybe some on here are already members and could comment on how they view that organisation. Looking at the site they have run various campaigns on some issues e.g. safe standing areas. I sent them an email to see what views there may be out there on this, bearing in mind it is a broad based "fans" organisation not just one for lower league clubs so may well include members of PL clubs or whatever who actually think it is a good idea. But if that is the majority view so be it. Will see what comes back. will be interested in what the come back with. Bear in mind though, they are probably very busy at the moment with events across the channel! Did get a couple of "Out of Office" replies!
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 14, 2016 8:27:58 GMT
Below is details of reply from FSF (Gareth Cummins) - so it is on their radar but all support at Wembley would be welcome it seems:-
It won't surprise you to learn that we've received plenty of communication from fans both via email and over social media over the weekend about the proposals. It's something that we've covered previously when the ideas were first floated back in March, and it seems the overwhelming majority of fans are, like yourself, opposed to the plans. Our National Council member (and Leyton Orient fan) Tony Roome said at the time “There is clear opposition amongst lower league teams. While the JPT is not seen as the most glamorous or exciting competition, it is 'ours' and we, generally, don't want the PL anywhere near it. It presents a possible path to Wembley for the less well off. I would oppose it in the same way, and for the same reasons, that we opposed the whole misguided League 3 proposal.” The restructure of the EFL Trophy, along with proposed changes to the structure of the Football League itself, will be one of the key topics at our Supporters Summit which will be held jointly with Supporters Direct at Wembley on the weekend of 16th/17th July. As a democratic organisation our policy is set by our members, and so we will be undertaking a consultation of our membership to decide on the appropriate action. If you'd like to come along to the summit and share your views, you can find out more information here.(this is link to FSF but not sure it will copy over)
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 14, 2016 15:14:36 GMT
Seems that the lure of the bribe was just too much for many. The old adage of act in haste and repent at leisure is very apt in this instance
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 16, 2016 10:31:44 GMT
I have contacted the EFL to state my opinions (awful idea) on this EFL trophy malarkey. This is their response: Good Afternoon,Thank you for your email, we note your comments.May we take this opportunity to remind you that this is for one season only and is on a trial basis. Whilst we understand that not everyone will agree with the idea, the EFL is committed to looking at ways of re-inventing our competitions in a way that will provide maximum benefit for our clubs. The proposal was sent to clubs and much consultation took place to at the Summer Conference, where clubs were asked to vote in their divisional meetings. We will be monitoring the trial closely with all of our member clubs.Further information and full details will be released in due course.Thank you once again for contacting the EFL. Your feedback is gratefully received.So allegedly this is a one season trial (my bold). Yeah. Right. Sorry don't believe it. If the clubs are monitoring it they will vote for it as they already have done. But looks like we are stuck with it for now. Guess the only way we can do anything about it is to stay away from it. That way they may get the message.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 16, 2016 10:37:24 GMT
I have contacted the EFL to state my opinions (awful idea) on this EFL trophy malarkey. This is their response: Good Afternoon,Thank you for your email, we note your comments.May we take this opportunity to remind you that this is for one season only and is on a trial basis. Whilst we understand that not everyone will agree with the idea, the EFL is committed to looking at ways of re-inventing our competitions in a way that will provide maximum benefit for our clubs. The proposal was sent to clubs and much consultation took place to at the Summer Conference, where clubs were asked to vote in their divisional meetings. We will be monitoring the trial closely with all of our member clubs.Further information and full details will be released in due course.Thank you once again for contacting the EFL. Your feedback is gratefully received.So allegedly this is a one season trial (my bold). Yeah. Right. Sorry don't believe it. If the clubs are monitoring it they will vote for it as they already have done. But looks like we are stuck with it for now. Guess the only way we can do anything about it is to stay away from it. That way they may get the message. Its a poorly supported competition as it is. I would suggest boycot the u21 games and actually turn up for the proper games Getting low crowds for these proper games probably wont make much difference as it happens already
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