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Post by lostinspace on Mar 27, 2016 9:14:19 GMT
albeit a friendly against Germany, is there now room for Rooney in this emerging squad?i watched around 20 minutes of the 2nd half on TV, was pleased at the speed England broke for Vardy's excellent finish, and the possesion England now seem capable of keeping, i think it is time to leave him behind and move on with the intention of being e better team in readiness for the next world cup
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Post by PessimistGas on Mar 27, 2016 12:06:16 GMT
albeit a friendly against Germany, is there now room for Rooney in this emerging squad?i watched around 20 minutes of the 2nd half on TV, was pleased at the speed England broke for Vardy's excellent finish, and the possesion England now seem capable of keeping, i think it is time to leave him behind and move on with the intention of being e better team in readiness for the next world cup Rooney should definitely be in the squad if fit but it would be disappointing to seem him start. England aren't suddenly world beaters but it was such a refreshing change to see a young side play with such verve and style. I hope I am wrong but I can forsee a starting line up in France including Rooney, Carrick, Wilshire, Walcott, Milner and all the usual suspects who have let us down time and time again. Go with the youth.
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Post by zfc on Mar 27, 2016 17:51:51 GMT
I doubt we will see Rooney and Carrick starting in France and I hope thats the last we see of Henderson who is as ordinary a player you will see.
Wilshire and Rooney have to get some game time in and show some form if they are to make this squad as it is obvious they are not vital to England especially Wilshire whos game and glass legs will always result in injuries.
Rose was excellent on his debut, Clyne played well on the right and Delle Alli is a natural born International footballer.
Very promising last night and it is a shame we will have to watch ordinary run about a lot players like Milner against the Dutch on Tuesday.
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Post by Bridgeman on Mar 27, 2016 19:20:49 GMT
I cannot possibly see how Wilshere can even be included in the squad as there is no way will he become match fit in the time left available. I think it will be an error to leave out Rooney if fit but I hope he isn't included in the squad so he can get fit, too often we've taken players to tournaments to gain fitness during the competition and rarely has it worked. A fabulous performance admittedly in a 'friendly' but is there such a thing between these two countries ? Two incredible strikes on goal by our 'boys' too
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Post by Peter Parker on Mar 29, 2016 12:29:52 GMT
Rooney should be in the squad, but no way guaranteed to start. Oh but he is Captain so will Roy do the right thing.
Pick the team, then the Captain.
Wilshere should be nowhere near the squad. He will hardly have any games or fitness and will likely break down. I bet he will be injured for months at some point next season. Liability as talented as he is
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 30, 2016 6:22:14 GMT
It's a team game and Tottenham are just that. Do an Alf Ramsey and build it around their players. No more mercinaries and captain marvels. Give the job to Pochettino after the finals.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 20:59:03 GMT
Wilshere should be nowhere near the squad. He will hardly have any games or fitness and will likely break down. I bet he will be injured for months at some point next season. Liability as talented as he is Wilshire as a player isn't actually injury prone, anybody who does what Wenger tells Wilshire to do will get clattered a dozen times a game and will end up injured. The plan is to get the ball, move forward, draw 2 or 3 opposition players and then release the ball at the very last moment. Of course he gets whacked and injured. I wouldn't blame him if he refused to sign a new contract under Wenger, the lad is a future England captain, but at this rate he'll be retired without coming close to fulfilling his potential. Having said that, the latest injury has lasted well over a year and started as a result of a shameful side-on studs up assault by Paddy McNair of Manchester Utd that literally lifted Wilshire off his feet and required surgery, that one wasn't Wenger's fault. But of course I'm wrong as it was a Utd player that did it, so Mike Dean decided that it was just fine and didn't even award a foul. As for Rooney, yesterday's man, never did it for England when it actually mattered, not the player that he once was so why would anybody think he'll suddenly deliver now? Can't see the point of wasting a space in the squad on him yet again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 22:29:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 22:32:35 GMT
the lad is a future England captain
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 22:34:51 GMT
Context my boy, you need the rest of the post. Nobody would survive injury free the way Wenger makes him play. Tell you what, why don't you stand still and have McNair Kung Fu kick you sideways shattering your ankle and see how long it takes you to recover. If that makes you 'injury prone' then I'll concede the point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 22:52:26 GMT
Context my boy, you need the rest of the post. Nobody would survive injury free the way Wenger makes him play. Tell you what, why don't you stand still and have McNair Kung Fu kick you sideways shattering your ankle and see how long it takes you to recover. If that makes you 'injury prone' then I'll concede the point. I read it all, and picked out the bits I thought were funniest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 23:15:11 GMT
Context my boy, you need the rest of the post. Nobody would survive injury free the way Wenger makes him play. Tell you what, why don't you stand still and have McNair Kung Fu kick you sideways shattering your ankle and see how long it takes you to recover. If that makes you 'injury prone' then I'll concede the point. I read it all, and picked out the bits I thought were funniest. You obviously don't watch him playing for Arsenal much then, or you would know that what I've said is correct, he's at least as good as Rooney was in his prime, but he has more to his game than hanging around the penalty area, taking penalties and trying to bully refs. My advice would be to find out if Wenger intends to stay after his contract ends next summer, if he does then Jack needs to leave to fulfil his potential. There's also the issue of the training pitches at Colney, the surfaces are rock hard, great for perfecting fast passing, but ask any player who has trained there, in fact, Google what Rio had to say about it when England trained there. You come off of the pitches sore, knees feeling jarred and generally feeling bashed about. It's not just Jack, Wenger has an awful record of keeping players fit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 23:21:43 GMT
And yet all the other players seem to stay reasonably fit. A miracle!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 10:20:33 GMT
And yet all the other players seem to stay reasonably fit. A miracle! Far from it, you've just demonstrated that you've no idea what's going on, and has been going on for Years now at Emirates. Tell you what, let's move this on past my 'gut feeling' and anecdotal evidence shall we? From 2004~5 to the start of this season Arsenal have lost players to significant injury for a total of 13,165 days, compared to Chelsea 7,217. Those figures will look even worse when this season's long term injuries to Oxlade-Chamberlain, Arteta, Monreal, Wilshire, Walcott, Ramsey, Cazorla, Cech, Bellerin, Rosicky, Koscielny, Flamini, Gibbs and Sanchez are all added up, I make it over 1600 days lost already this season. You call that players staying reasonably fit if you like, I call it bordering on a dereliction of responsibility by Wenger. Sat behind this is the reason that Arsenal win naff all, Wenger has a strong first team and a load of makeweights (anybody remember Callum Chambers, what a waste of £10 million that was) But this isn't about Arsenal failing to win things, it's about Wilshire, a player who ought to be gracing the Nou Camp but instead spends most of his time on the treatment table, and that will continue as long as the training facilities remain (don't take my word for that, ask Rio) and as long as he's used as a human punch bag by Wenger during matches.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 10:23:08 GMT
And yet all the other players seem to stay reasonably fit. A miracle! Far from it, you've just demonstrated that you've no idea what's going on, and has been going on for Years now at Emirates. Its a myth. Players get injured at every club, not just Arse nil. Wilshere just gets injured all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 10:52:57 GMT
Far from it, you've just demonstrated that you've no idea what's going on, and has been going on for Years now at Emirates. Its a myth. Players get injured at every club, not just Arse nil. Wilshere just gets injured all the time. I thought you might say that, so have added some detail to my previous reply for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 11:05:39 GMT
Its a myth. Players get injured at every club, not just Arse nil. Wilshere just gets injured all the time. I thought you might say that, so have added some detail to my previous reply for you. Do all the other clubs, not just Chelsea, and cite your sources, and then I might start to believe you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 11:58:31 GMT
I thought you might say that, so have added some detail to my previous reply for you. Do all the other clubs, not just Chelsea, and cite your sources, and then I might start to believe you. The data comes from the clubs themselves. I used Chelsea as they were 2nd amongst the traditional title challengers, but Newcastle actually had the 2nd worst record over that 10 year period behind Arsenal. But regardless of any of that, the list of Arse players above who have had serious injuries this season speaks for itself. Find me another PL club (apart from maybe Bournemouth at the start of the season) who have had similar injury problems. For further evidence, listen to Wenger's interviews, he's always talking about players having 'tired bodies', of course they have you numpty, that's because of your training facilities and methods.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 12:50:59 GMT
OK, you win. Now where's the evidence that Wilshere isn't injury-prone?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 13:34:06 GMT
OK, you win. Now where's the evidence that Wilshere isn't injury-prone? You have it right there, he's no more injury prone than any other player under Wenger's charge. They are all OK until he gets his hands on them, they are (mostly) OK after leaving Emirates. And you can't blame Wilshire for having his ankle broken by a disgraceful assault by McNair. In all seriousness, that challenge was every bit as bad as Taylor's on Eduardo.
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