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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 28, 2016 12:18:11 GMT
My latest article on the Bristol Post website is now available, and given our rise up the table and the positivity now surrounding the on-field performance of the club, it is certainly a gamble of the likes not seen since £250,000 was thrown away on Mickey 'Plymouth Argyle Legend' Evans in August 2000, a transfer window panic buy after Jamie Cureton had got the move he so manoeuvred, cough, I mean politely requested. Eight months later he quietly slipped out the side exit for £30,000, like a thief in the night, and a dozen games afterwards we were relegated. I wrote a good chunk of this article earlier in the season, but I left it to mellow and mature with age like a wheel of the finest Cheddar. Having returned to it I can say, hand on heart, that I still believe the sentiment behind it is right. The economics may have changed but the facts have not. Gasheads may be happier at the moment, and may be more willing to go the extra mile to find the money to attend games, but the underlying issue has not been solved. Watching Rovers at the Mem without a season ticket has been simply too expensive this season. www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-BLOG-G-Gas-Priced/story-28618415-detail/story.htmlI'll paste in the text ASAP
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 28, 2016 12:22:02 GMT
BRISTOL ROVERS BLOG: G is for Gas - Priced out
Posted: January 28, 2016
By Martin BullGIVEN our rise up the table and the positivity now surrounding the on-field performance of the club, this article is certainly a gamble of the likes not seen since £250,000 was thrown away on Mickey 'Plymouth Argyle Legend' Evans in August 2000, a transfer window panic buy after Jamie Cureton had got the move he so manoeuvred, cough, I mean politely requested. Eight months later he quietly slipped out the side exit for £30,000, like a thief in the night, and a dozen games afterwards we were relegated. I wrote a good chunk of this article earlier in the season, but I left it to mellow and mature with age like a wheel of the finest Cheddar. Having returned to it I can say, hand on heart, that I still believe the sentiment behind it is right. The economics may have changed but the facts have not. Gasheads may be happier at the moment, and may be more willing to go the extra mile to find the money to attend games, but the underlying issue has not been solved. Watching Rovers at the Mem without a season ticket has been simply too expensive this season. There has not been even ONE special ticket offer for League games so far this season; in fact it has been quite the opposite. Our loyalty when sticking with the club last season was rewarded with six expensive 'Category A' matches and the student discount being silently dumped without an explanation. This will easily be the least home games I have been able to afford since returning from geographical exile in 2010. Even our shocking home form (a solitary league win from the first seven matches; and merely four points in total) wasn't enough to encourage the club to offer the plebs a deal. Despite regular defeats, a Tuesday match, and a Sunday lunchtime match live on Sky, the Board did not offer anything, not even a 'Quid a Kid' day. Would it be uncharitable to suggest that most of the regular attendees of around 6,500 home fans up to Christmas were Season Ticket holders, who were 'stuck' with their decision, and who are apparently counted, even if not even in the ground? Ordinary people are being priced out of football, and don't kid yourself that it is only happening at the Arsenal's and Chelsea's of this world. It also happens in the lower leagues. In fact, on the occasions that I attend Championship or Premier League games with my Norwich City supporting best friend, watching that level of football, in modern stadiums with excellent sight lines, is rarely much more expensive than watching Rovers at the run-down Mem, and the quality of the game and the facilities is of a vastly higher level. Last season I parted with £23 to be alongside him at Wolves for their opening game of the season, and a few weeks ago a frankly outlandish £15 was all that was required to get into the away end at the Britannia Stadium for their Premier League clash. Asking an adult to pay a 'Category A' £20 to stand at the Mem on either an end terrace with a terrible view (but a roof and a great atmosphere), or an open terrace with an ok view and less atmosphere, is rubbish. No game at League Two level should be a special category, unless it is a downwards category for a freezing cold evening in January as the credit card statement hits the post Christmas mat. If there ever happens to be a genuine local derby at this execrable level then surely the extra ticket sales, and other money spinning add-ons associated with a more popular match, should cover any extra Police bill or whatever lame excuse the football club come up with this time? It's not as though we don't usually have extra capacity to fill. And what kind of twisted logic puts UP prices when a venue isn't even being filled, or tells its loyal supporters they must pay for extra costs associated with a larger crowd, and / or a larger away following - who incidentally aren't getting in for free but who will be adding tens of thousands of pounds into the club pot. Premier League bosses defend some of their prices by pointing to a 96% occupancy rate, and with a shrug of the shoulders calculate they must be doing something right. So what humbling logic could we use, especially earlier in the season? That we had a 60% occupancy rate, so the most obvious decision will be to make it less affordable for more people to come? I suppose this line of reasoning is halfway out the window now though, as we are finally doing well again at home, have had a trio of matches against well supported opposition, and a lot of the casuals have presumably come back since Christmas. The last three home games would be labelled 'cash cows' by economists; maximum profit for minimal effort. But sadly these games won't help the underlying problem; in fact you could argue they make it worse by providing easy pickings and a distraction from the improvements that need to be made. On the pitch success, fair ticket prices, and decent facilities seem to be the three ways to increase crowds in the long run, and only the first is definitely happening. With 9,836 for Leyton Orient, 9,131 for the Hatters, and 10,190 when the Pilgrims contributed an away sell-out, the occupancy rate is now more like 80 per cent, and with only nine home games left (all distinctly winnable ones as well) the chance of pressurising the club to run some offers is presumably too late; the stable door is off its hinges by now and the filly is already six furlongs away. A mind bending six League games this season have been included in the laughable Category A. That's 25% of home games. I have to pinch myself to remember that this is the Fourth Tier, which includes NO clubs we have a serious beef with and no clubs with a really serious hooligan problem. There is no Bristol City, no Swindon Town, and no Cardiff City. Instead we have Yeovil Town and Exeter City installed as phoney Category A matches, as if to try to invent some sort of intense rivalry. One is a non-descript local town who we've only played 15 times since 1883 (we've played Liverpool more times), and the other is a middle-class University city 100 miles away with anaemic crowds (an average of 3,783 last season). Neither fixture has any more taste or spice to it than the mildest Cauliflower Korma. Whilst the flexi-ticket may be a decent enough idea, the bureaucracy surrounding it can be off putting, especially for exiles, and the price is hardly compelling as it works out at £14 a match, plus a £4 surcharge if you dare try to use them for those Category A Classico's. For a huge city like Bristol, with well over 50,000 students, terminating the student category this season was a frankly pitiable decision. There is admittedly a new 16-21 category, but not only are the prices nowhere near as affordable as the previous student prices (£4 off most tickets, compared to £7 previously), but also not all students are under 21. Indeed in the modern era, more and more students are NOT under 21, and are proud of it, having taken years out, returned as 'mature students', or are doing post-graduate degrees, which is in itself is a massively booming market that Rovers seem to be ignoring precisely at the time they are trying to build the UWE Stadium on UWE land. You could hardly make it up. If any readers defend all this by contending that some other clubs are worse that us, they have surely missed the point. Our benchmark should not be clubs who are worse than us, but should be clubs who are better than us. And comparing merely on price also isn't completely fair, as some other clubs do not have terracing, and may offer better facilities than ours. I realise I'll take some flak for what may be dismissed by some as negativity within a positive few months, but a few wins does not make everything hunky dory. Ordinary, average fans are being priced out of watching the team they support and whilst a season in non-league may have humbled the players and the fans, it doesn't seem to have done a lot for the number crunchers intent on squeezing as much money out of us as possible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Bull became a Gashead in 1989 and immediately fell in love with Twerton Park, standing near G pillar. His sixth book has just been released. It is entitled 'Print That Season! - One man's weekly meanderings throughout Bristol Rovers' promotion campaign of 2014-15' and is the antidote to obedient season reviews, with none of the hindsight that most writers rely on. It is a signed and numbered limited edition of only 462 books, and is available via www.printthatseason.club
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 12:56:02 GMT
Its a good article, and its also good to discuss things like this while things are going well as well as when they're not.
Match day prices are too high, and the category A nonsense is a disgrace.
But a season ticket still represents excellent value in my book.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 28, 2016 13:06:15 GMT
The policing costs for CAT A games are expensive hence their reason for it
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 28, 2016 13:06:39 GMT
Its a good article, and its also good to discuss things like this while things are going well as well as when they're not. Match day prices are too high, and the category A nonsense is a disgrace. But a season ticket still represents excellent value in my book. Completley agree. Whilst i can afford an.ST i will continue to buy one as long as there is no mental increase
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Post by traveling_wilbury on Jan 28, 2016 13:12:41 GMT
From a personal point of view I think keeping the student prices for those aged 16-21 as that will probably capture most students and they are likely to have less disposable income (but not always)makes sense, whereas the mature student tends to have worked for while and in theory would therefore have more disposable income (as I understand it someone who goes to uni after working for a few years benefits from better loans than those who go straight from school).
I may be wrong in my assumptions above but at the end of the day you can't please everyone!!
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Post by Richard on Jan 28, 2016 13:18:13 GMT
I can't justify a season ticket because I have a young child but have been buying flexi tickets to get to as many games as possible. I have to say the £4 ticket surcharge for the Plymouth game really annoyed me particularly because it is advertised as a £2 surcharge on the official Rovers website. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/article/flexi-ticket-is-back-for-the-201516-season-2600648.aspxI brought this up with the club on Twitter and received the trademark deafening silence. This is without even discussing the first flexi ticket coming with less tickets than it should and then being sent tickets for the wrong part of the ground for the second ticket. I love Bristol Rovers but the entire set-up is something you'd expect from a non-league club. I'd like to see the club dragged into this century but I can't see it happening for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 13:24:40 GMT
The policing costs for CAT A games are expensive hence their reason for it No, that is the excuse rather than the reason. The increased cost is blatantly offset by the increased revenue.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 28, 2016 14:29:21 GMT
The policing costs for CAT A games are expensive hence their reason for it 1 - exeter and Yeovil? really? with their huge hooligan crews? 2 - Even if your assertion was true for some matches, surely the only logical reason for needing more Policing at our level was because more away fans and home fans were coming. and those fans don;t get in for free do they? and get free pasties? No. the club make a large amount extra from higher profile games. to give you a simple analogy, if you set up a market and charge 50p to get in, do you raise the charge to £1 on the days it is busier, even though you'll be getting more income from stallholders? In general, no, most businesses do not work like that. Most businesses love extra customers and don't charge them extra for the issues that are are their own internal issues and nothing to do with the customers (fans).
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 28, 2016 14:29:34 GMT
Playing devil's advocate slightly - the article seems to depend on the logic that reduced price = higher attendance. However, it can't be such a simple proportional relationship, as shown by the recent high attendances, which have happened when ticket prices have not changed.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 28, 2016 14:32:53 GMT
From a personal point of view I think keeping the student prices for those aged 16-21 as that will probably capture most students and they are likely to have less disposable income (but not always)makes sense, whereas the mature student tends to have worked for while and in theory would therefore have more disposable income (as I understand it someone who goes to uni after working for a few years benefits from better loans than those who go straight from school). I may be wrong in my assumptions above but at the end of the day you can't please everyone!! 1 - Honestly, the boom in post grad stsudents is a massive market and we are now missing it. or even 22 year olds. LOTS of courses are 4 years. LOTS have gap years. People can laugh all they want at students but they are a massive and growing market and just as we're in league with the UWE we scrap the student discount. Go figure. 2 - Even if you don;t care about the above what about the signal is negative sends out to students, young people, the UWE, and others? Not all publicity is good publicity.
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 28, 2016 14:33:47 GMT
The policing costs for CAT A games are expensive hence their reason for it 1 - exeter and Yeovil? really? with their huge hooligan crews? 2 - Even if your assertion was true for some matches, surely the only logical reason for needing more Policing at our level was because more away fans and home fans were coming. and those fans don;t get in for free do they? and get free pasties? No. the club make a large amount extra from higher profile games. to give you a simple analogy, if you set up a market and charge 50p to get in, do you raise the charge to £1 on the days it is busier, even though you'll be getting more income from stallholders? In general, no, most businesses do not work like that. Most businesses love extra customers and don't charge them extra for the issues that are are their own internal issues and nothing to do with the customers (fans). Re 2 - no, but you might chuck in a 2 for one on less well selling items. Isn't that the same?
What's the difference between raising prices for popular matches, and reducing prices for less popular matches? Would it be better if Rovers said it was £24 standard ticket price, but Morecombe will be £18?
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 28, 2016 14:37:52 GMT
Playing devil's advocate slightly - the article seems to depend on the logic that reduced price = higher attendance. However, it can't be such a simple proportional relationship, as shown by the recent high attendances, which have happened when ticket prices have not changed. it's far more complex than a sentence. it's not just about reduced price, it's about long term support. To give a very simplistic equation, if 8,000 people at £15 is the same direct revenue as 6,000 at £20, surely you'd still want the 8,000 as they may come again, but a pastie, bring their kid next time, etc. Show me a football club who've built long term success on a small fan base? and about filling capapcity, especially earlier in the season. of course i wish I had finished it and published it in November, but I was busy. an intelligent person can still see the bigger issues though. a few big crowds don't mean sustainability.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 28, 2016 14:43:22 GMT
Its a good article, and its also good to discuss things like this while things are going well as well as when they're not. Match day prices are too high, and the category A nonsense is a disgrace. But a season ticket still represents excellent value in my book. yes, STs are very good and I could afford one (monetarily and time wise) for several seasons; terrible seasons of relegation and Lge 2 struggle. they are extra good this season due to the Cat A nonsense. But be honest... the "I'm alright jack" attitude of many Gasheads at the mo would be different if we were in a relegation dogfight, and it will be different if we don't get the UWE and as soon as we struggle. The time to fix things in life is when you are doing well, not when you're struggling, but I get the feeling our club coasts along when things are going ok, then fire fights when it goes pearshaped. Just like the red side this season.
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 28, 2016 14:58:32 GMT
Playing devil's advocate slightly - the article seems to depend on the logic that reduced price = higher attendance. However, it can't be such a simple proportional relationship, as shown by the recent high attendances, which have happened when ticket prices have not changed. it's far more complex than a sentence. it's not just about reduced price, it's about long term support. To give a very simplistic equation, if 8,000 people at £15 is the same direct revenue as 6,000 at £20, surely you'd still want the 8,000 as they may come again, but a pastie, bring their kid next time, etc. Show me a football club who've built long term success on a small fan base? and about filling capapcity, especially earlier in the season. of course i wish I had finished it and published it in November, but I was busy. an intelligent person can still see the bigger issues though. a few big crowds don't mean sustainability. Again though that's an assumption, that the increase in attendance from the lower price will be sufficient to cover the lost ticket revenue. I'm not saying that its wrong, but it has to be challenged.
Assuming 3,500 season ticket holders, you're suggesting an 80% increase in pay on the day customers for a 25% decrease in price. For me that's bit of a jump. If we assume a 25% increase, which is still loads, that gives us an attendance of 6,625.
att 6000 3,500 season ticket holders, so 2,500 paying £20 = £50000
But what if..
att 6625 3,500 season ticket holders, so 3,125 paying £15 = £46875
= bankrupt club!
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Post by bs20gas on Jan 28, 2016 15:23:33 GMT
10 monthly payments of £28:50 totaling £285:00(£25:00 on top of the original price)for a blackthorn end season ticket on finance is money well spent and saves you having to worry about home matches and works out costing you about £12:50 a match saving you just over a fiver each game and giving you priority on away tickets.I would highly recommend this to people as coming up with £260:00 in one lump sum is not easy for some and it saves you all the bother and hassle of queing up for cat A game tickets.
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Post by traveling_wilbury on Jan 28, 2016 18:13:53 GMT
From a personal point of view I think keeping the student prices for those aged 16-21 as that will probably capture most students and they are likely to have less disposable income (but not always)makes sense, whereas the mature student tends to have worked for while and in theory would therefore have more disposable income (as I understand it someone who goes to uni after working for a few years benefits from better loans than those who go straight from school). I may be wrong in my assumptions above but at the end of the day you can't please everyone!! 1 - Honestly, the boom in post grad stsudents is a massive market and we are now missing it. or even 22 year olds. LOTS of courses are 4 years. LOTS have gap years. People can laugh all they want at students but they are a massive and growing market and just as we're in league with the UWE we scrap the student discount. Go figure. 2 - Even if you don;t care about the above what about the signal is negative sends out to students, young people, the UWE, and others? Not all publicity is good publicity. I don't disagree with your comments and I did provision that mine could be wrong. I suppose you have to have a cut off somewhere otherwise everyone will be wanting a cheaper category of tickets and the club have therefore arbitrarily decided to cut off at 21 although from your first point perhaps it ought to be 22 to capture 4 year courses. In fact my nephew is on a 4 year course at Bristol uni so should have thought about that before posting my arguments!
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Post by willy on Jan 28, 2016 20:59:38 GMT
i personally don't mind paying the extra £2 when were playing good football, but our club does nothing to encourage people to bring there kids to games. i have four children which i would like to bring to games, but at £11 each a game a game in the north terrace! i can't justify spending that cash. I was a twerton quid a kid and that was the reason why my dad & uncle used to take me along, the club in my opinion does nothing to encourage the future fans,the crowd as far as i can see is mostly middle age blokes!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 28, 2016 21:11:28 GMT
BRISTOL ROVERS BLOG: G is for Gas - Priced out
Posted: January 28, 2016
By Martin BullGIVEN our rise up the table and the positivity now surrounding the on-field performance of the club, this article is certainly a gamble of the likes not seen since £250,000 was thrown away on Mickey 'Plymouth Argyle Legend' Evans in August 2000, a transfer window panic buy after Jamie Cureton had got the move he so manoeuvred, cough, I mean politely requested. Eight months later he quietly slipped out the side exit for £30,000, like a thief in the night, and a dozen games afterwards we were relegated. I wrote a good chunk of this article earlier in the season, but I left it to mellow and mature with age like a wheel of the finest Cheddar. Having returned to it I can say, hand on heart, that I still believe the sentiment behind it is right. The economics may have changed but the facts have not. Gasheads may be happier at the moment, and may be more willing to go the extra mile to find the money to attend games, but the underlying issue has not been solved. Watching Rovers at the Mem without a season ticket has been simply too expensive this season. There has not been even ONE special ticket offer for League games so far this season; in fact it has been quite the opposite. Our loyalty when sticking with the club last season was rewarded with six expensive 'Category A' matches and the student discount being silently dumped without an explanation. This will easily be the least home games I have been able to afford since returning from geographical exile in 2010. Even our shocking home form (a solitary league win from the first seven matches; and merely four points in total) wasn't enough to encourage the club to offer the plebs a deal. Despite regular defeats, a Tuesday match, and a Sunday lunchtime match live on Sky, the Board did not offer anything, not even a 'Quid a Kid' day. Would it be uncharitable to suggest that most of the regular attendees of around 6,500 home fans up to Christmas were Season Ticket holders, who were 'stuck' with their decision, and who are apparently counted, even if not even in the ground? Ordinary people are being priced out of football, and don't kid yourself that it is only happening at the Arsenal's and Chelsea's of this world. It also happens in the lower leagues. In fact, on the occasions that I attend Championship or Premier League games with my Norwich City supporting best friend, watching that level of football, in modern stadiums with excellent sight lines, is rarely much more expensive than watching Rovers at the run-down Mem, and the quality of the game and the facilities is of a vastly higher level. Last season I parted with £23 to be alongside him at Wolves for their opening game of the season, and a few weeks ago a frankly outlandish £15 was all that was required to get into the away end at the Britannia Stadium for their Premier League clash. Asking an adult to pay a 'Category A' £20 to stand at the Mem on either an end terrace with a terrible view (but a roof and a great atmosphere), or an open terrace with an ok view and less atmosphere, is rubbish. No game at League Two level should be a special category, unless it is a downwards category for a freezing cold evening in January as the credit card statement hits the post Christmas mat. If there ever happens to be a genuine local derby at this execrable level then surely the extra ticket sales, and other money spinning add-ons associated with a more popular match, should cover any extra Police bill or whatever lame excuse the football club come up with this time? It's not as though we don't usually have extra capacity to fill. And what kind of twisted logic puts UP prices when a venue isn't even being filled, or tells its loyal supporters they must pay for extra costs associated with a larger crowd, and / or a larger away following - who incidentally aren't getting in for free but who will be adding tens of thousands of pounds into the club pot. Premier League bosses defend some of their prices by pointing to a 96% occupancy rate, and with a shrug of the shoulders calculate they must be doing something right. So what humbling logic could we use, especially earlier in the season? That we had a 60% occupancy rate, so the most obvious decision will be to make it less affordable for more people to come? I suppose this line of reasoning is halfway out the window now though, as we are finally doing well again at home, have had a trio of matches against well supported opposition, and a lot of the casuals have presumably come back since Christmas. The last three home games would be labelled 'cash cows' by economists; maximum profit for minimal effort. But sadly these games won't help the underlying problem; in fact you could argue they make it worse by providing easy pickings and a distraction from the improvements that need to be made. On the pitch success, fair ticket prices, and decent facilities seem to be the three ways to increase crowds in the long run, and only the first is definitely happening. With 9,836 for Leyton Orient, 9,131 for the Hatters, and 10,190 when the Pilgrims contributed an away sell-out, the occupancy rate is now more like 80 per cent, and with only nine home games left (all distinctly winnable ones as well) the chance of pressurising the club to run some offers is presumably too late; the stable door is off its hinges by now and the filly is already six furlongs away. A mind bending six League games this season have been included in the laughable Category A. That's 25% of home games. I have to pinch myself to remember that this is the Fourth Tier, which includes NO clubs we have a serious beef with and no clubs with a really serious hooligan problem. There is no Bristol City, no Swindon Town, and no Cardiff City. Instead we have Yeovil Town and Exeter City installed as phoney Category A matches, as if to try to invent some sort of intense rivalry. One is a non-descript local town who we've only played 15 times since 1883 (we've played Liverpool more times), and the other is a middle-class University city 100 miles away with anaemic crowds (an average of 3,783 last season). Neither fixture has any more taste or spice to it than the mildest Cauliflower Korma. Whilst the flexi-ticket may be a decent enough idea, the bureaucracy surrounding it can be off putting, especially for exiles, and the price is hardly compelling as it works out at £14 a match, plus a £4 surcharge if you dare try to use them for those Category A Classico's. For a huge city like Bristol, with well over 50,000 students, terminating the student category this season was a frankly pitiable decision. There is admittedly a new 16-21 category, but not only are the prices nowhere near as affordable as the previous student prices (£4 off most tickets, compared to £7 previously), but also not all students are under 21. Indeed in the modern era, more and more students are NOT under 21, and are proud of it, having taken years out, returned as 'mature students', or are doing post-graduate degrees, which is in itself is a massively booming market that Rovers seem to be ignoring precisely at the time they are trying to build the UWE Stadium on UWE land. You could hardly make it up. If any readers defend all this by contending that some other clubs are worse that us, they have surely missed the point. Our benchmark should not be clubs who are worse than us, but should be clubs who are better than us. And comparing merely on price also isn't completely fair, as some other clubs do not have terracing, and may offer better facilities than ours. I realise I'll take some flak for what may be dismissed by some as negativity within a positive few months, but a few wins does not make everything hunky dory. Ordinary, average fans are being priced out of watching the team they support and whilst a season in non-league may have humbled the players and the fans, it doesn't seem to have done a lot for the number crunchers intent on squeezing as much money out of us as possible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Bull became a Gashead in 1989 and immediately fell in love with Twerton Park, standing near G pillar. His sixth book has just been released. It is entitled 'Print That Season! - One man's weekly meanderings throughout Bristol Rovers' promotion campaign of 2014-15' and is the antidote to obedient season reviews, with none of the hindsight that most writers rely on. It is a signed and numbered limited edition of only 462 books, and is available via www.printthatseason.clubMartin, The biggest problem is that we put up with it and it makes it a very easy ride for the board. The average if our fans is High too. Thing is, with crowds on the rise, they aren't going to change it now but well said mate
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 28, 2016 21:17:21 GMT
it's far more complex than a sentence. it's not just about reduced price, it's about long term support. To give a very simplistic equation, if 8,000 people at £15 is the same direct revenue as 6,000 at £20, surely you'd still want the 8,000 as they may come again, but a pastie, bring their kid next time, etc. Show me a football club who've built long term success on a small fan base? and about filling capapcity, especially earlier in the season. of course i wish I had finished it and published it in November, but I was busy. an intelligent person can still see the bigger issues though. a few big crowds don't mean sustainability. Again though that's an assumption, that the increase in attendance from the lower price will be sufficient to cover the lost ticket revenue. I'm not saying that its wrong, but it has to be challenged.
Assuming 3,500 season ticket holders, you're suggesting an 80% increase in pay on the day customers for a 25% decrease in price. For me that's bit of a jump. If we assume a 25% increase, which is still loads, that gives us an attendance of 6,625.
att 6000 3,500 season ticket holders, so 2,500 paying £20 = £50000
But what if..
att 6625 3,500 season ticket holders, so 3,125 paying £15 = £46875
= bankrupt club!
Another issue to consider is if the club cut match day prices by a fiver then surely season tickets would have to have a similar decrease, otherwise the one of the big attractions of buying one surely goes and you may as well just pay on the gate? As far as attracting kids surely you can't get better than free season tickets for the Under 11's?
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