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Post by irishrover on Apr 13, 2016 1:03:02 GMT
Ah, yes, I remember that exact moment and you're right, it was pivotal. Somerset never managed to get themselves back in front after that. To be honest it's a bit unlucky to play Durham at this time of year - I'm not sure there's a tougher opening pair in early season English conditions than Rushworth and Onions at the moment. The difference maker and match winner in that game looks like the Durham opener Keaton Jennings though - another South African doing his qualification years for England. Not sure how far down the line he is - if he was available there'd be a bit of a clamour given our opening issues (whether it's right he should be allowed to do that is a whole other question - mind you Pieterson is apparently back the other way, maybe we should just do a US Sports style trade!).
Gloucs are just about clinging on - need quick early wickets. But Essex have Ryder and Foster at the wicket with Napier to come so if they don't take the wickets that will be a 100+ lead very quickly which should be too big a lead to a claw back at this time of year.
I thought I caught a glimpse of a headline about that on the news, the bloke is an absolute disgrace. If he does then we should erase his records from the record books, take them off any honours boards he has been added to and ask him to return any medals he has received whilst playing for England, the blokes just a mercenary. Presumably he'll have the 3 lions tattoo removed from his upper arm as well while he's at it. As you can tell I have no time for him nor Piers Morgan his mate either  ....oh and rescind his British passport while were at it too ! Well that was part of the whole trying very hard to be English business - and in doing so kind of proved why he really didn't get what being English is actually about in the most part!
I think it's for the birds to be honest. The guy will be 38 I think by the time he actually qualifies for South Africa and it's not as though SA cricketers are raking it in. They are losing their veteran players to the IPL and the T20 circus because they can't afford to match the wages - I can't see KP being very impressed with that.
Not overly bothered though. I know people moan about the integrity of international selection - the truth is though international cricket has never really had any. The whole history of cricket is completely littered with players who were born in one place representing another with England absolutely prime offenders. Be quite fun to watch Pieterson play against England - if Broad and Anderson are still around, there might be some hostile bowling....Imagine an English crowd's reaction when he came out to bat-worth the admission fee alone. I was in the crowd (of about 80!) when KP returned to Nottinghamshire with Hants the season after he left in disgrace with Jason Gallian throwing his kit of the changing room balcony! Normally you can guarantee that half the ageing crowd will be asleep and most are only half paying attention. Instead as soon as his name was announced all the Notts members leapt to their feet to give him dogs abuse. AJ Harris, the ultimate kind of journeyman pro had him LBW I think for 0 or very little to a huge roar worthy of a much bigger crowd, followed by the inevitable send off and the Notts members throwing everything they could lay their hands on at him as he walked up the steps - I swear I saw someone lob a thermos. Great fun! Back then he was relatively popular everywhere else so to see that on a much bigger scale might be something!
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 17, 2016 19:57:57 GMT
If he's not wanted by England, which he very definitely isn't, what on Earth is the problem with him representing SA, if they want him now? Because surely you should only "represent" one country only. You make a choice and should then stick with it. I know that cricket is littered with players who have represented countries other than those of their birth. South Africa and South Africans have done this a lot, probably more than any other country esp in the apartheid era. I will just about accept it if they do the qualifying but to then change back again just because it suits you is not acceptable to my mind. It makes a mockery of playing for "your country." I agree that each case needs to be considered on it merits but Petersen sees it as about what he wants not about the country. And let's face it, last Summer he thought that he had talked around Colin Graves and ingratiated himself to get back into the England team if he played regular county cricket. So he gets Surrey to take him back on a short term contract after telling them "no thanks" just a few months before. Then Andrew Strauss the new England supreme says no chance will KP be considered again. So KP says no thanks Surrey I'm not going to be able to see out this contract now and goes off to earn lots of money in the various 20/20 tournaments around the globe. Now he wants to be a South African after all! Blimey, you couldn't make this up. That is the problem I think. But hey it's just my opinion and I expect others will disagree! ps By the way back in the Autumn/ Winter of 1986 as a member, I supported Peter Roebuck and the Somerset CCC committee against Ian Botham and Viv Richards so that probably shows you that to me it is all about the team not individuals. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 20:03:29 GMT
If he's not wanted by England, which he very definitely isn't, what on Earth is the problem with him representing SA, if they want him now? Because surely you should only "represent" one country only. Cricket doesn't work like that. What are your thoughts on Kepler Weasels, or Luke Ronchi? Or even Eoin Morgan? |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 17, 2016 21:38:54 GMT
I know it doesn't work like that and as I said cricket more than most sports have crossovers and I think Keplar Wessels was SA then represented Australia before going back to SA so you are correct. But it was a different age then. With Wessels he couldn't play for SA (like many others) due to the apartheid-ban so he qualified for Aus. Then after his career was almost over I think he went back to SA but am unsure if he actually played without checking up. Am not over worried by the whole issue because as you say the Irish to English cricketers is a similar situation esp with Boyd Rankin and Ed Joyce likely to go back to representing Ireland. But with KP I have just been left angry over the years about how every team he plays for celebrates as if it were the new year when he leaves. In SA when he left they were pleased. Both Notts and Hampshire were pleased to see him go as were the majority of England-lovers. The guy divides teams and he stirs up strong emotions. He is not a team player and every decision he has made over the last 5-6 years has seemed to be about personal gain and what he can get out if it and not about what he could bring to the team. No doubt he will have the best representation to ensure he ticks all the boxes and qualify again for SA if he decides to do it and I am sure he will kiss the badge with humility! To answer your question more directly, cricket has a procedure for doing this and I guess if players obey the rules, go through the procedures, then that's ok. I'm not a great fan of it but as I said earlier all cases will be slightly different and if KP obeys all the rules he will be allowed. Doesn't mean I think it's right!!
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Post by irishrover on Apr 18, 2016 21:20:28 GMT
I know it doesn't work like that and as I said cricket more than most sports have crossovers and I think Keplar Wessels was SA then represented Australia before going back to SA so you are correct. But it was a different age then. With Wessels he couldn't play for SA (like many others) due to the apartheid-ban so he qualified for Aus. Then after his career was almost over I think he went back to SA but am unsure if he actually played without checking up. Am not over worried by the whole issue because as you say the Irish to English cricketers is a similar situation esp with Boyd Rankin and Ed Joyce likely to go back to representing Ireland. But with KP I have just been left angry over the years about how every team he plays for celebrates as if it were the new year when he leaves. In SA when he left they were pleased. Both Notts and Hampshire were pleased to see him go as were the majority of England-lovers. The guy divides teams and he stirs up strong emotions. He is not a team player and every decision he has made over the last 5-6 years has seemed to be about personal gain and what he can get out if it and not about what he could bring to the team. No doubt he will have the best representation to ensure he ticks all the boxes and qualify again for SA if he decides to do it and I am sure he will kiss the badge with humility! To answer your question more directly, cricket has a procedure for doing this and I guess if players obey the rules, go through the procedures, then that's ok. I'm not a great fan of it but as I said earlier all cases will be slightly different and if KP obeys all the rules he will be allowed. Doesn't mean I think it's right!! Cricket really has always been the wild west where that's concerned - not least because it has consistently been played by countries who either go in and out of official country status or whose borders and political systems change quite regularly. But I agree the idea of KP playing for South Africa seems ridiculous to me - he said some pretty nasty things about their cricket over the years I can't imagine they'll welcome him back with open arms. To be honest I think he concocted the whole thing for no other reason than to wind up the ECB. I don't he really has any interest in playing for South Africa. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 18, 2016 23:06:52 GMT
Why would South Africa want him back, he's a big headed, egostistical, self centred, mercenary.
It's all about him and want he wants.
Reading his first biography that was quite clear how he manipulated his move to England when he couldn't get his own way in South Africa.
He's got a damn cheek asking to play for South Africa after all the controversy he caused when he left there, I can't really believe they would be that desparate.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 19, 2016 8:24:33 GMT
Yes Irish you are correct and not only has he wound up the ECB he has also wound up me!! Bridgeman, I couldn't bring myself to buy the book and give him the money he might get for it so I spent an afternoon in Waterstones in Taunton reading large chunks of it. As you say it's all about him, talk about an ego! The shame of it is that he was a very good batsman and did amazing things despite not being able to catch a cold or face left armed slow bowlers!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 8:55:00 GMT
Because surely you should only "represent" one country only. Cricket doesn't work like that. What are your thoughts on Kepler Weasels, or Luke Ronchi? Or even Eoin Morgan? It happens in football as well, Roy Race represented England and Basran! |
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....oh and rescind his British passport while were at it too !