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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 21:56:22 GMT
Yeah I'm a proud Bristolian and Glos fan - no other domestic side will do for me, they're my Rovers in the summer  As such, I'm firmly in the 'Glos are a Bristol club' camp - WG founded us here and that's that afaic. But we don't make it work for us unless we have real success and that is often fleeting - even the 1999-2004 period was fleeting at this distance (didn't feel like that at the time mind  ) |
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 28, 2014 17:43:38 GMT
Former England wicketkeeper Geraint Jones has signed for Gloucestershire on a two-year contract.
The 37-year-old spent 15 seasons with Kent but was released in the summer after being displaced by Sam Billings.
Jones was loaned to Gloucestershire in May and scored 136 runs in three Division Two games, but his spell was cut short by an eye injury.
He will now return to Bristol as a specialist batsman and captain in four-day cricket.
"I'd like to thank Kent for the fantastic 15 seasons I spent with them," said Jones, who won the Ashes with England in 2005.
"Following an enjoyable month with Gloucestershire during 2014, I am excited to be joining the club and for the challenges that lie ahead.
"This is a young and talented squad and I relish the opportunity of working with them and to playing a part in their development."
Jones takes on the captain's role from Australian opener Michael Klinger, who is returning to Gloucestershire for a third year but will not arrive until June - a month after the season starts.
"We have spoken to Michael about that and he is comfortable with it," said director of cricket John Bracewell.
"We intend using Geraint as a batsman and his presence on the field will be invaluable in offering advice and assistance to our young bowling attack."
Jones has played in 34 Test matches and 49 One-Day Internationals, and has scored 8,615 first-class runs at an average of 32.5, with 15 centuries and 46 fifties.
His wicketkeeping career has seen him take 586 catches and 36 stumpings in first-class cricket.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 30, 2014 12:47:53 GMT
Former England wicketkeeper Geraint Jones has signed for Gloucestershire on a two-year contract. The 37-year-old spent 15 seasons with Kent but was released in the summer after being displaced by Sam Billings. Jones was loaned to Gloucestershire in May and scored 136 runs in three Division Two games, but his spell was cut short by an eye injury. He will now return to Bristol as a specialist batsman and captain in four-day cricket. "I'd like to thank Kent for the fantastic 15 seasons I spent with them," said Jones, who won the Ashes with England in 2005. "Following an enjoyable month with Gloucestershire during 2014, I am excited to be joining the club and for the challenges that lie ahead. "This is a young and talented squad and I relish the opportunity of working with them and to playing a part in their development." Jones takes on the captain's role from Australian opener Michael Klinger, who is returning to Gloucestershire for a third year but will not arrive until June - a month after the season starts. "We have spoken to Michael about that and he is comfortable with it," said director of cricket John Bracewell. "We intend using Geraint as a batsman and his presence on the field will be invaluable in offering advice and assistance to our young bowling attack." Jones has played in 34 Test matches and 49 One-Day Internationals, and has scored 8,615 first-class runs at an average of 32.5, with 15 centuries and 46 fifties. His wicketkeeping career has seen him take 586 catches and 36 stumpings in first-class cricket. Interesting that he has decided to jack in the keeping - this way Roderick's development won't be jeopardised. Jones is a decent batsman for Glos's top 6 but he's not going to pull up trees. I think they've signed him for his experience. |
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Post by leroy on Feb 16, 2015 10:58:37 GMT
Bit late on this thread but I've really enjoyed reading through, so thanks for that. I find Glos' indecision over identifying as a rural or metropolitan county very interesting (I prefer the latter). Will Brown announced on joining as Chief Exec that he's focused on connecting better with Bristol. Glos' relationship with the city is odd given they share the same crest.
Hopefully the much improved ground can catalyse popularity in the city, and with it more money, and better performances - I'll be angry if BCC is so shortsighted as to ultimately refuse them floodlights. I've enjoyed how Glos have quietly rebranded the ground as the 'BCG' rather than Nevil Road. Hope it catches on. Just a shame that the pavilion is unreasonably ugly but beggers can't be choosers apparently.
With regards to 2015, I hope Tavare and Roderick keep up their promise and someone puts a rocket up Dent's arse. Hopefully with fewer injuries we might even take 20 wickets in some games.
I've been daydreaming about a Championship game at the BCG in the sun for months. Months.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 11:36:55 GMT
Surely it's called The County Ground?
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Post by irishrover on Feb 16, 2015 15:50:44 GMT
Bit late on this thread but I've really enjoyed reading through, so thanks for that. I find Glos' indecision over identifying as a rural or metropolitan county very interesting (I prefer the latter). Will Brown announced on joining as Chief Exec that he's focused on connecting better with Bristol. Glos' relationship with the city is odd given they share the same crest. Hopefully the much improved ground can catalyse popularity in the city, and with it more money, and better performances - I'll be angry if BCC is so shortsighted as to ultimately refuse them floodlights. I've enjoyed how Glos have quietly rebranded the ground as the 'BCG' rather than Nevil Road. Hope it catches on. Just a shame that the pavilion is unreasonably ugly but beggers can't be choosers apparently. With regards to 2015, I hope Tavare and Roderick keep up their promise and someone puts a rocket up Dent's arse. Hopefully with fewer injuries we might even take 20 wickets in some games. I've been daydreaming about a Championship game at the BCG in the sun for months. Months. Interesting - I didn't know they had rebranded the ground though it's hardly surprising I suppose. astafjevs is right it has been called a lot of things over the years. I believe it was originally known as the Grace Ground for a while thanks to WG's patronage. I know in the distance past it's also been known as the Fry's Ground when it was owned by the Chocolate people and the Ashley Down Ground too. When I was growing up many people new it by as the Sun Alliance County Ground who owned it and then it was briefly known as the Phoenix ground as well. I think most people call it the County Ground though. This is a big year for Glos - I'm a bit surprised they haven't invested a bit more in their T20 team to test how many they can attract now everything's up and running. I'm looking forward to improvement though I think; a young team with a young coach that should be decent to watch but will probably lack consitency. |
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Post by leroy on Dec 14, 2015 22:20:49 GMT
It's worth running through this thread again to see what progress Glos has made against the observations/criticism above. The rebranding to Bristol County Ground & polling members about potentially renaming the T20 side as 'Bristol' shows they recognise they haven't done enough to connect with the city in recent years but they're doing something about it. They've also developed relations with the Gloucester Road traders to conjure up more of an experience in the area on big match days.
I'd be interested to know whether they're forging better relations with local club cricket. Anyone know?
It's pivotal times in my view. The club got a great international fixture allocation through to 2020, and the 2015 trophy success could be the immediate catalyst we needed. Hopefully it will encourage our better young players to stay longer (Miles in particular) and a talented core could see us push for more honours or maybe get promotion -although I get the impression the club is focusing on being a short-form specialist in the near term.
With Klinger signing on, a trophy in the cabinet, and floodlights due for 2016 I hope we'll start to see noticeable increase in crowds next summer.
I think they're heading in the right direction. My one complaint (and this applies to all counties) is their rather boring short-form kits. They should be fun/colourful and identifiable - not navy!
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Post by irishrover on Dec 14, 2015 23:36:01 GMT
It's worth running through this thread again to see what progress Glos has made against the observations/criticism above. The rebranding to Bristol County Ground & polling members about potentially renaming the T20 side as 'Bristol' shows they recognise they haven't done enough to connect with the city in recent years but they're doing something about it. They've also developed relations with the Gloucester Road traders to conjure up more of an experience in the area on big match days. I'd be interested to know whether they're forging better relations with local club cricket. Anyone know? It's pivotal times in my view. The club got a great international fixture allocation through to 2020, and the 2015 trophy success could be the immediate catalyst we needed. Hopefully it will encourage our better young players to stay longer (Miles in particular) and a talented core could see us push for more honours or maybe get promotion -although I get the impression the club is focusing on being a short-form specialist in the near term. With Klinger signing on, a trophy in the cabinet, and floodlights due for 2016 I hope we'll start to see noticeable increase in crowds next summer. I think they're heading in the right direction. My one complaint (and this applies to all counties) is their rather boring short-form kits. They should be fun/colourful and identifiable - not navy! You're right - it is interesting in retrospect especially as things have gone very well in the last year. Hopefully sign of a key corner having been turned. Let's see if they can parlay that Trophy into a proper promotion run in CC2 next year - they weren't miles off getting into the mix this year and I think the 2 coming down may not be as difficult to match than the 2 going up were.
I don't know if th clube connection has improved - I didn't spend as much time as I usually do around Bristol club cricket last year. But at least they're giving themselves a chance to make those connections. I'd be interested to here some reports on the Youth cricket side of things. But, yes, it is absolutely critical to make those connections and it should be a no brainer. As much as it saddens cricket is (partly due to the Sky thing) becoming more and more of a minority sport so you have to really understand who your core audience are and how to reach them.
I think cricket was, somewhere down the line, taken over by a bunch of really 2nd rate marketing people who were obsessed with expanding the fanbase by identifying the 'casual fan'. The problem with that is that cricket really isn't a casual game! You need some background knowledge to appreciate, patience, etc. Frankly, it only appeals to a certain type of person and while, yes, you can get office days out and family days out when the sun is shining and that can be quite fun irrespective of whether you really get the game or not, the truth is that most of the time in England the sun isn't shing and there's not a lot you can really do about that. I don't go to watch that many T20 game but I went last year to watch Lancs v Notts in a pivotal game -it was a really good game and it was a utterly glorious evening in July but my overwhelming feeling for at least half of the game was 'bloody hell I'm freezing'! So I think ECB is deluding themselves if they think there's some mass market out there waiting for them. They look at the Big Bash and think we could copy that - but it's nice and warm in Australia in the summer evenings! 'Hey Darling, I read in the Post that Gloucs are playing Northants at Nevil Road tonight and their offering a family deal - it's only just started spitting so they might just get away with it - shall we take the kids?' is a conversation nobody ever had!
The boring shirt thing has been a perennial (and baffling) issue in domestic one day cricket right from when they first introduced pyjama cricket. They said to the counties 'you're free from the shackles of having to wear white every day - go express yourselves, go mad....' And then they all choose the same middling blue colour for about 10 years! It was ludicrous - you'd watch one day cricket matches and both teams would be wearing the same dreary blue outfits and you'd be thinking what the bloody hell was the point of that. The Essex came along with a kit that made their players looked like they worked at Kwickfit and all went mad for a bit. Now everyone's gone back to being dull again. I'll never understand why Somerset seem to play in Dark Blue or Black half the time.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 9, 2016 19:50:36 GMT
I don't know the in and outs of Gloucestershire cricket being a Somerset CCC member but do you think Gloucs are positioning themselves to be the franchise leader here in the west?Having seen Warwickshire brand themselves as Birmingham and then winning must make people think about it and with the current uncertainty in the ECB about how cricket is organised teams will be positioning themselves for the future. Do you think Bristol will be able to lead a franchise? Not knowing the politics in Bristol cricket I wouldn't know. Certainly in Somerset we fill our ground, about 6000 match after match and there is great atmosphere but I suspect it doesn't approach the atmosphere in the cities of the Big Bash or Indian PL. Being a member of SomersetCCC I see really different crowds for 20/20 and Championship but I am unsure that we could ever copy the Australian Big Bash. Could you do it in Bristol?
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 9, 2016 19:52:34 GMT
I don't know the in and outs of Gloucestershire cricket being a Somerset CCC member but do you think Gloucs are positioning themselves to be the franchise leader here in the west?Having seen Warwickshire brand themselves as Birmingham and then winning must make people think about it and with the current uncertainty in the ECB about how cricket is organised teams will be positioning themselves for the future. Do you think Bristol will be able to lead a franchise? Not knowing the politics in Bristol cricket I wouldn't know. Certainly in Somerset we fill our ground, about 6000 match after match and there is great atmosphere but I suspect it doesn't approach the atmosphere in the cities of the Big Bash or Indian PL. Being a member of SomersetCCC I see really different crowds for 20/20 and Championship but I am unsure that we could ever copy the Australian Big Bash. Could you do it in Bristol?
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Post by irishrover on Apr 10, 2016 16:03:41 GMT
I don't know the in and outs of Gloucestershire cricket being a Somerset CCC member but do you think Gloucs are positioning themselves to be the franchise leader here in the west?Having seen Warwickshire brand themselves as Birmingham and then winning must make people think about it and with the current uncertainty in the ECB about how cricket is organised teams will be positioning themselves for the future. Do you think Bristol will be able to lead a franchise? Not knowing the politics in Bristol cricket I wouldn't know. Certainly in Somerset we fill our ground, about 6000 match after match and there is great atmosphere but I suspect it doesn't approach the atmosphere in the cities of the Big Bash or Indian PL. Being a member of SomersetCCC I see really different crowds for 20/20 and Championship but I am unsure that we could ever copy the Australian Big Bash. Could you do it in Bristol? Given the direction that domestic cricket is going in it would surely be madness if Gloucs didn't adopt this approach. Although as I put on the other thread - I think Somerset are sufficiently successful and well-regarded as a club that a general Westcountry more likely than a purely Bristol one. Just a hunch though - I might well be wrong about that.
I see both have made reasonable starts to the season today.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 10, 2016 18:32:19 GMT
I don't know the in and outs of Gloucestershire cricket being a Somerset CCC member but do you think Gloucs are positioning themselves to be the franchise leader here in the west?Having seen Warwickshire brand themselves as Birmingham and then winning must make people think about it and with the current uncertainty in the ECB about how cricket is organised teams will be positioning themselves for the future. Do you think Bristol will be able to lead a franchise? Not knowing the politics in Bristol cricket I wouldn't know. Certainly in Somerset we fill our ground, about 6000 match after match and there is great atmosphere but I suspect it doesn't approach the atmosphere in the cities of the Big Bash or Indian PL. Being a member of SomersetCCC I see really different crowds for 20/20 and Championship but I am unsure that we could ever copy the Australian Big Bash. Could you do it in Bristol? Given the direction that domestic cricket is going in it would surely be madness if Gloucs didn't adopt this approach. Although as I put on the other thread - I think Somerset are sufficiently successful and well-regarded as a club that a general Westcountry more likely than a purely Bristol one. Just a hunch though - I might well be wrong about that.
I see both have made reasonable starts to the season today.
Yes, it will be Bristol-based with matches spread into Taunton perhaps. My fear is if it were to be a 6/7 team competition based in big cities then with so few home matches the teams will concentrate matches in the big venues to maximise crowds and profits etc. playing at Taunton in front if a packed 6000 would be sacrificed for a Bristol venue with 20,000. The maths tell you with only 6 matches it would take 3 matches in Taunton to equal one match in Bristol. But changes will be coming along the lines you suggest. The one saving grace is that teams like Som and Gloucs will have to have a big say because our academies and youth systems are the production lines for county cricketers. Our systems are quite sophisticated and are built on years if good relationships with schools and others. No Somerset would mean no Jos Butler and no Overtons so these players have to have a stage to perform. Yes, both Som and Gloucs have had a good first day (I think). Do Gloucs have a very young side? I don't recognise too many names. Gareth Roderick will have his work cut out to captain and keep wicket won't he? No down time for him during the playing sessions! I hope he gets support from Hamish Marshall as senior pro, he will need it. We had our usual April collapse in our innings I just hope Chris Rogers produces a good innings tomorrow. |
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Post by irishrover on Apr 10, 2016 21:33:34 GMT
Given the direction that domestic cricket is going in it would surely be madness if Gloucs didn't adopt this approach. Although as I put on the other thread - I think Somerset are sufficiently successful and well-regarded as a club that a general Westcountry more likely than a purely Bristol one. Just a hunch though - I might well be wrong about that.
I see both have made reasonable starts to the season today.
Yes, it will be Bristol-based with matches spread into Taunton perhaps. My fear is if it were to be a 6/7 team competition based in big cities then with so few home matches the teams will concentrate matches in the big venues to maximise crowds and profits etc. playing at Taunton in front if a packed 6000 would be sacrificed for a Bristol venue with 20,000. The maths tell you with only 6 matches it would take 3 matches in Taunton to equal one match in Bristol. But changes will be coming along the lines you suggest. The one saving grace is that teams like Som and Gloucs will have to have a big say because our academies and youth systems are the production lines for county cricketers. Our systems are quite sophisticated and are built on years if good relationships with schools and others. No Somerset would mean no Jos Butler and no Overtons so these players have to have a stage to perform. Yes, both Som and Gloucs have had a good first day (I think). Do Gloucs have a very young side? I don't recognise too many names. Gareth Roderick will have his work cut out to captain and keep wicket won't he? No down time for him during the playing sessions! I hope he gets support from Hamish Marshall as senior pro, he will need it. We had our usual April collapse in our innings I just hope Chris Rogers produces a good innings tomorrow. We'll see how it goes - to be honest I'm not sure I'm overly optimistic for the ECB's capacity to find a way forward. Not all their fault really - it's quite complicated stuff. But, I think the chances are that we'll probably still be moaning on about this in 5 years time because finding consensus is going to next to impossible and possible compromises probably won't work very well.
I saw Rushworth and Onions run through Somerset at Taunton early season last year. Hope that's not going to be the case again here - looks like Jennings knock could be a match winner in a low scoring game at this stage. Glos seemed to be rebuilding and then folded. If they remove Cook they have a chance I think. Very young team, yes, but one that did pretty well last year considering the circumstances and will be looking to build. Maybe someone who watches Glos more regularly than me (I live in Manchester so actually spend more time watching Lancs these days) can fill in on Roderick.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 11, 2016 17:54:11 GMT
Yes I was at that match in Taunton last year as well sat on the benches at my normal place on Gimblett Hill. If we had got Collingwood when he was dropped it might have been different but today we collapsed....again and it looks like we will need the weather to save us. I hope Gloucs do well and even though Cook got his century Gloucs are still not too badly off, could be a tight match and weather will be important.
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Post by irishrover on Apr 11, 2016 20:22:42 GMT
Yes I was at that match in Taunton last year as well sat on the benches at my normal place on Gimblett Hill. If we had got Collingwood when he was dropped it might have been different but today we collapsed....again and it looks like we will need the weather to save us. I hope Gloucs do well and even though Cook got his century Gloucs are still not too badly off, could be a tight match and weather will be important. Ah, yes, I remember that exact moment and you're right, it was pivotal. Somerset never managed to get themselves back in front after that. To be honest it's a bit unlucky to play Durham at this time of year - I'm not sure there's a tougher opening pair in early season English conditions than Rushworth and Onions at the moment. The difference maker and match winner in that game looks like the Durham opener Keaton Jennings though - another South African doing his qualification years for England. Not sure how far down the line he is - if he was available there'd be a bit of a clamour given our opening issues (whether it's right he should be allowed to do that is a whole other question - mind you Pieterson is apparently back the other way, maybe we should just do a US Sports style trade!).
Gloucs are just about clinging on - need quick early wickets. But Essex have Ryder and Foster at the wicket with Napier to come so if they don't take the wickets that will be a 100+ lead very quickly which should be too big a lead to a claw back at this time of year.
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 12, 2016 7:04:53 GMT
Yes I was at that match in Taunton last year as well sat on the benches at my normal place on Gimblett Hill. If we had got Collingwood when he was dropped it might have been different but today we collapsed....again and it looks like we will need the weather to save us. I hope Gloucs do well and even though Cook got his century Gloucs are still not too badly off, could be a tight match and weather will be important. Ah, yes, I remember that exact moment and you're right, it was pivotal. Somerset never managed to get themselves back in front after that. To be honest it's a bit unlucky to play Durham at this time of year - I'm not sure there's a tougher opening pair in early season English conditions than Rushworth and Onions at the moment. The difference maker and match winner in that game looks like the Durham opener Keaton Jennings though - another South African doing his qualification years for England. Not sure how far down the line he is - if he was available there'd be a bit of a clamour given our opening issues (whether it's right he should be allowed to do that is a whole other question - mind you Pieterson is apparently back the other way, maybe we should just do a US Sports style trade!).
Gloucs are just about clinging on - need quick early wickets. But Essex have Ryder and Foster at the wicket with Napier to come so if they don't take the wickets that will be a 100+ lead very quickly which should be too big a lead to a claw back at this time of year.
I thought I caught a glimpse of a headline about that on the news, the bloke is an absolute disgrace. If he does then we should erase his records from the record books, take them off any honours boards he has been added to and ask him to return any medals he has received whilst playing for England, the blokes just a mercenary. Presumably he'll have the 3 lions tattoo removed from his upper arm as well while he's at it. As you can tell I have no time for him nor Piers Morgan his mate either  ....oh and rescind his British passport while were at it too ! |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 12, 2016 8:21:40 GMT
Ah, yes, I remember that exact moment and you're right, it was pivotal. Somerset never managed to get themselves back in front after that. To be honest it's a bit unlucky to play Durham at this time of year - I'm not sure there's a tougher opening pair in early season English conditions than Rushworth and Onions at the moment. The difference maker and match winner in that game looks like the Durham opener Keaton Jennings though - another South African doing his qualification years for England. Not sure how far down the line he is - if he was available there'd be a bit of a clamour given our opening issues (whether it's right he should be allowed to do that is a whole other question - mind you Pieterson is apparently back the other way, maybe we should just do a US Sports style trade!).
Gloucs are just about clinging on - need quick early wickets. But Essex have Ryder and Foster at the wicket with Napier to come so if they don't take the wickets that will be a 100+ lead very quickly which should be too big a lead to a claw back at this time of year.
I thought I caught a glimpse of a headline about that on the news, the bloke is an absolute disgrace. If he does then we should erase his records from the record books, take them off any honours boards he has been added to and ask him to return any medals he has received whilst playing for England, the blokes just a mercenary. Presumably he'll have the 3 lions tattoo removed from his upper arm as well while he's at it. As you can tell I have no time for him nor Piers Morgan his mate either ....oh and rescind his British passport while were at it too ! Yes me too if you thought you had seen me rant about football then just see my views about KP and his mate Piers M. Absolutely disgusting, the bloke really does think it's all about him and not English cricket. And Sky then have the cheek to put him on a verdict programme about the World Cup! Yeh right the guy is going to give a reasoned view about English cricket and cricketers. Now if they put him on the same programme as Matt Prior that would have been interesting! Seeing that about changing back to SA at the weekend almost spoiled my weekend and that's with Rovers getting a great result!! |
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 12, 2016 20:12:16 GMT
I thought I caught a glimpse of a headline about that on the news, the bloke is an absolute disgrace. If he does then we should erase his records from the record books, take them off any honours boards he has been added to and ask him to return any medals he has received whilst playing for England, the blokes just a mercenary. Presumably he'll have the 3 lions tattoo removed from his upper arm as well while he's at it. As you can tell I have no time for him nor Piers Morgan his mate either ....oh and rescind his British passport while were at it too ! Yes me too if you thought you had seen me rant about football then just see my views about KP and his mate Piers M. Absolutely disgusting, the bloke really does think it's all about him and not English cricket. And Sky then have the cheek to put him on a verdict programme about the World Cup! Yeh right the guy is going to give a reasoned view about English cricket and cricketers. Now if they put him on the same programme as Matt Prior that would have been interesting! Seeing that about changing back to SA at the weekend almost spoiled my weekend and that's with Rovers getting a great result!! I assume he won't be back playing County Cricket anytime soon then  |
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 12, 2016 21:37:26 GMT
Yes me too if you thought you had seen me rant about football then just see my views about KP and his mate Piers M. Absolutely disgusting, the bloke really does think it's all about him and not English cricket. And Sky then have the cheek to put him on a verdict programme about the World Cup! Yeh right the guy is going to give a reasoned view about English cricket and cricketers. Now if they put him on the same programme as Matt Prior that would have been interesting! Seeing that about changing back to SA at the weekend almost spoiled my weekend and that's with Rovers getting a great result!! I assume he won't be back playing County Cricket anytime soon then Can't see him wanting to play at any ground in the Championship can you? Not enough publicity in it! I'd rather have one of our youngsters than him playing for Somerset. |
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If he's not wanted by England, which he very definitely isn't, what on Earth is the problem with him representing SA, if they want him now?
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As such, I'm firmly in the 'Glos are a Bristol club' camp - WG founded us here and that's that afaic. But we don't make it work for us unless we have real success and that is often fleeting - even the 1999-2004 period was fleeting at this distance (didn't feel like that at the time mind 
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....oh and rescind his British passport while were at it too !