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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 13, 2015 13:14:59 GMT
I have no idea if it's correct, it was the only permutation I could think of that ticked all the boxes of Seth's question. Maybe someone can tell us what plans locally have PP? As far as I'm aware, the Mem development permission has expired, so Higgs could only possibly have been talking about UWE. I didn't hear the interview, and Ann wasn't' certain about what she heard, but she's pretty good so at least worth speculation about Plan B having planning permission. There are two extant relevant planning permissions: a 21,000 seater stadium plus add-ons at UWE (expires in a few months time); and a supermarket and housing at Horfield (no idea when that expires). So what could it be? 1. Babmber's proposed 'hope someone else builds at UWE': we rent that, sell the Mem for development with its PP for a realistic price (say £15 million) pay off the debts and Directors's loans (say £8 million) and either put the other £7 million onto the books for flogging the club to someone else at a better price than they'd get now, or put it aside to pay for the first few years' rent; 2. We sell the Mem with its PP for £15 million and source another (probably by now, with wiggle room) £25 million from somewhere else to build at UWE; 3. Refuse to believe Plan A is dead, chase it through the courts for years and then either win and find we're still £10 million short to build at UWE, or lose and cross that bridge when we come to it. 4. the club is purchased as is by the same company that will develop the UWE site... |
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 13, 2015 13:27:52 GMT
Always with the negative, feel sorry for you. Why would anyone beleive what NH and the board have to say |
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 13, 2015 13:29:53 GMT
Afraid not but believe me when I say the plan B is a viable scheme We will not lose the court case was trotted out plenty of times, if posters are ITK you need to put some more meat on the bones, otherwise it just sounds like a made up statement. The problem is, that if those ITK spill all the beans, they will no longer be privy to what is discussed at the table. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2015 13:46:24 GMT
I have no idea if it's correct, it was the only permutation I could think of that ticked all the boxes of Seth's question. Maybe someone can tell us what plans locally have PP? As far as I'm aware, the Mem development permission has expired, so Higgs could only possibly have been talking about UWE. I didn't hear the interview, and Ann wasn't' certain about what she heard, but she's pretty good so at least worth speculation about Plan B having planning permission. There are two extant relevant planning permissions: a 21,000 seater stadium plus add-ons at UWE (expires in a few months time); and a supermarket and housing at Horfield (no idea when that expires). So what could it be? 1. Babmber's proposed 'hope someone else builds at UWE': we rent that, sell the Mem for development with its PP for a realistic price (say £15 million) pay off the debts and Directors's loans (say £8 million) and either put the other £7 million onto the books for flogging the club to someone else at a better price than they'd get now, or put it aside to pay for the first few years' rent; 2. We sell the Mem with its PP for £15 million and source another (probably by now, with wiggle room) £25 million from somewhere else to build at UWE; 3. Refuse to believe Plan A is dead, chase it through the courts for years and then either win and find we're still £10 million short to build at UWE, or lose and cross that bridge when we come to it. Having listened to the interview I sense Vital's story about the UWE building the UWE could be correct as NH mentioned he'd been in talks with all the interested parties, which I assume must be the UWE & S Glos? As someone will have to fund it and can't see we can unless someone else is prepared to pay silly money for the Mem? NH also made some odd comments about UWE having problems because the car park wasn't being built which I couldn't understand, as I thought UWE had applied for pp on the land set aside for the car park saying it was no longer required? Assuming there is genuinely a Plan B it sounds like somebody is already lined up to buy the plan, NH suggested pp wasn't a problem which surely means another supermarket chain buying the Mem site, or NH misunderstood the question. Finally, I sense the next Appeal hearing is the end game, unless we win as Sainsbury's may well then take it to the final Appeal process. |
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Post by womble on Sept 13, 2015 14:34:28 GMT
I didn't hear the interview, and Ann wasn't' certain about what she heard, but she's pretty good so at least worth speculation about Plan B having planning permission. There are two extant relevant planning permissions: a 21,000 seater stadium plus add-ons at UWE (expires in a few months time); and a supermarket and housing at Horfield (no idea when that expires). So what could it be? 1. Babmber's proposed 'hope someone else builds at UWE': we rent that, sell the Mem for development with its PP for a realistic price (say £15 million) pay off the debts and Directors's loans (say £8 million) and either put the other £7 million onto the books for flogging the club to someone else at a better price than they'd get now, or put it aside to pay for the first few years' rent; 2. We sell the Mem with its PP for £15 million and source another (probably by now, with wiggle room) £25 million from somewhere else to build at UWE; 3. Refuse to believe Plan A is dead, chase it through the courts for years and then either win and find we're still £10 million short to build at UWE, or lose and cross that bridge when we come to it. Having listened to the interview I sense Vital's story about the UWE building the UWE could be correct as NH mentioned he'd been in talks with all the interested parties, which I assume must be the UWE & S Glos? As someone will have to fund it and can't see we can unless someone else is prepared to pay silly money for the Mem? NH also made some odd comments about UWE having problems because the car park wasn't being built which I couldn't understand, as I thought UWE had applied for pp on the land set aside for the car park saying it was no longer required? Assuming there is genuinely a Plan B it sounds like somebody is already lined up to buy the plan, NH suggested pp wasn't a problem which surely means another supermarket chain buying the Mem site, or NH misunderstood the question. Finally, I sense the next Appeal hearing is the end game, unless we win as Sainsbury's may well then take it to the final Appeal process. UWE are developing car park 20, which is on the opposite side of the road from the main UWE site, as they have managed to reduce parking pressure enough to manage without it. I imagine NH is referring to the stadium car park, which UWE would have used during week days and is demonstrably missing at the moment.
The planning permission comment might refer to either the fact that anyone can take on an existing permission, or that once the principle of use is established, it is much easier to gain another different, but similar in usage (e.g. supermarket and housing) planning permission.
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Post by gas2 on Sept 13, 2015 14:34:26 GMT
Interesting interview h e said we never had to go to the court of appeal to appeal
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2015 14:50:26 GMT
We didn't as the original judge simply allowed the appeal to proceed to the CoA, nothing really new with that news?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 14:56:00 GMT
I didn't hear the interview, and Ann wasn't' certain about what she heard, but she's pretty good so at least worth speculation about Plan B having planning permission. There are two extant relevant planning permissions: a 21,000 seater stadium plus add-ons at UWE (expires in a few months time); and a supermarket and housing at Horfield (no idea when that expires). So what could it be? 1. Babmber's proposed 'hope someone else builds at UWE': we rent that, sell the Mem for development with its PP for a realistic price (say £15 million) pay off the debts and Directors's loans (say £8 million) and either put the other £7 million onto the books for flogging the club to someone else at a better price than they'd get now, or put it aside to pay for the first few years' rent; 2. We sell the Mem with its PP for £15 million and source another (probably by now, with wiggle room) £25 million from somewhere else to build at UWE; 3. Refuse to believe Plan A is dead, chase it through the courts for years and then either win and find we're still £10 million short to build at UWE, or lose and cross that bridge when we come to it. 4. the club is purchased as is by the same company that will develop the UWE site... When do you think that will happen? The reason I ask is that Higgs' valuation will be driven by the outcome of the Sainsbury's case. And that won't be known for quite some time. Or are you saying that the FC will be sold but the stadium won't be included? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 13, 2015 14:58:25 GMT
4. the club is purchased as is by the same company that will develop the UWE site... When do you think that will happen? The reason I ask is that Higgs' valuation will be driven by the outcome of the Sainsbury's case. And that won't be known for quite some time. Or are you saying that the FC will be sold but the stadium won't be included? I did not say it will happen just an option under sir Seths 3 other options, but it is a possibility is it not Bamber ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 15:13:52 GMT
When do you think that will happen? The reason I ask is that Higgs' valuation will be driven by the outcome of the Sainsbury's case. And that won't be known for quite some time. Or are you saying that the FC will be sold but the stadium won't be included? I did not say it will happen just an option under sir Seths 3 other options, but it is a possibility is it not Bamber ? Yes, it's possible, but complicated by the Sainsbury's situation. You seem to have a better idea than most about what's happening, why were surveyors sighted at The Mem a few weeks back? |
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Post by dickgherkin on Sept 13, 2015 15:39:40 GMT
I thought we were assured that the 'sell the mem / rent the smaller UWE with a running track' idea was a non-starter? (Can't link to the thread at the mo, but it was a month or two ago.)
It chills me that people are treating the idea of that calamity so lightly. Or maybe others are further than me through the footballing equivalent of the '5 stages of bereavement'....
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 13, 2015 15:58:34 GMT
I did not say it will happen just an option under sir Seths 3 other options, but it is a possibility is it not Bamber ? Yes, it's possible, but complicated by the Sainsbury's situation. You seem to have a better idea than most about what's happening, why were surveyors sighted at The Mem a few weeks back? Not sure they were surveyors Bamber, maybe something to do with the valuation of the Stadium complex ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:07:06 GMT
When the next set of stadium plans are opposed by locals, maybe the club can look at what happened today and ask if they could do more to foster good community relations.
Just been phoned by a friend who lives near the stadium, it seems that he went out a couple of hours ago and came home to find the streets crammed with cars due to Gloucester Vs Bath rugby. He had no idea the fixture was taking place, no mailshot, no fixture list popped through the letter box, no email, no local signage. He couldn't park anywhere near his home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:10:15 GMT
Yes, it's possible, but complicated by the Sainsbury's situation. You seem to have a better idea than most about what's happening, why were surveyors sighted at The Mem a few weeks back? Not sure they were surveyors Bamber, maybe something to do with the valuation of the Stadium complex ? Who would want to value it? And wouldn't a site survey for valuation purposes carried out by surveyors? |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 13, 2015 16:17:39 GMT
Not sure they were surveyors Bamber, maybe something to do with the valuation of the Stadium complex ? Who would want to value it? And wouldn't a site survey for valuation purposes carried out by surveyors? The Wonga loan company who funded the Sainsbury case ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:23:32 GMT
Who would want to value it? And wouldn't a site survey for valuation purposes carried out by surveyors? The Wonga loan company who funded the Sainsbury case ? Surveyors were a few weeks back, long after the Wonga loan. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:25:05 GMT
I did not say it will happen just an option under sir Seths 3 other options, but it is a possibility is it not Bamber ? Yes, it's possible, but complicated by the Sainsbury's situation. You seem to have a better idea than most about what's happening, why were surveyors sighted at The Mem a few weeks back? Does he? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:26:20 GMT
When the next set of stadium plans are opposed by locals, maybe the club can look at what happened today and ask if they could do more to foster good community relations. Just been phoned by a friend who lives near the stadium, it seems that he went out a couple of hours ago and came home to find the streets crammed with cars due to Gloucester Vs Bath rugby. He had no idea the fixture was taking place, no mailshot, no fixture list popped through the letter box, no email, no local signage. He couldn't park anywhere near his home. I thought they liked it being a rugby ground? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:37:19 GMT
When the next set of stadium plans are opposed by locals, maybe the club can look at what happened today and ask if they could do more to foster good community relations. Just been phoned by a friend who lives near the stadium, it seems that he went out a couple of hours ago and came home to find the streets crammed with cars due to Gloucester Vs Bath rugby. He had no idea the fixture was taking place, no mailshot, no fixture list popped through the letter box, no email, no local signage. He couldn't park anywhere near his home. I thought they liked it being a rugby ground? I think some like it being a memorial, but not sure I've ever heard much opinion stating a preference towards it being used for either football or rugby. My point was that the club make no effort with communication. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 16:49:08 GMT
An opportune moment for That's Life or Henbury (for they are 'in the know') - to actually tell us something worth listening to. No point in me saying anything you won't believe it so i will keep my peace(with a smug smile on my face) oh come on mate, your track history is good |
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