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Post by brizzle on Sept 11, 2015 12:00:41 GMT
I heard rumours on the radio this morning, but here it is in print courtesy of BBC Sport . . . Given all of the publicity given to the matter over the summer, I assumed that the goalie would see out the remaining year of his contract with MUFC and then join Real Madrid on a ''free'' . . . but apparently there was one more twist to the tale. I wonder who actually won the war of nerves, either of the two clubs . . . or the player himself?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 12:07:14 GMT
Real Madrid will have to pay more for him next summer, that's all. I imagine he's been adequately compensated for the inconvenience.
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Post by brizzle on Sept 11, 2015 12:18:27 GMT
Real Madrid will have to pay more for him next summer, that's all. I imagine he's been adequately compensated for the inconvenience. Presumably you're speculating on a ''buy-out'' clause being inserted his new contract by United? I suppose that is a distinct possibility given the past few months, but at what level would it be set do you think, and would Real Madrid agree to pay it? In any event, I would imagine that there are a few long faces at the Bernabéu Stadium today. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 12:21:51 GMT
Real Madrid will have to pay more for him next summer, that's all. I imagine he's been adequately compensated for the inconvenience. Presumably you're speculating on a ''buy-out'' clause being inserted his new contract by United? I suppose that is a distinct possibility given the past few months, but at what level would it be set do you think, and would Real Madrid agree to pay it? In any event, I would imagine that there are a few long faces at the Bernabéu Stadium today. Not necessarily a buy out clause. If they want him, they'll pay whatever Man Utd want for him. That's how Real Madrid operate. |
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Post by brizzle on Sept 11, 2015 12:30:30 GMT
Presumably you're speculating on a ''buy-out'' clause being inserted his new contract by United? I suppose that is a distinct possibility given the past few months, but at what level would it be set do you think, and would Real Madrid agree to pay it? In any event, I would imagine that there are a few long faces at the Bernabéu Stadium today. Not necessarily a buy out clause. If they want him, they'll pay whatever Man Utd want for him. That's how Real Madrid operate. I agree with what you say, but the mystery to me is why Madrid refused to come to an agreement with United in the transfer window. Their reluctance to compromise could cost them dear in the future, bearing in mind that the player has just committed to a four-year deal. Mind you, I think that De Gea has been very well advised. Ultimately he seems to the stand-out winner in all of this. |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 11, 2015 12:50:44 GMT
Not necessarily a buy out clause. If they want him, they'll pay whatever Man Utd want for him. That's how Real Madrid operate. I agree with what you say, but the mystery to me is why Madrid refused to come to an agreement with United in the transfer window. Their reluctance to compromise could cost them dear in the future, bearing in mind that the player has just committed to a four-year deal. Mind you, I think that De Gea has been very well advised. Ultimately he seems to the stand-out winner in all of this. There is an interesting rumour going round that Madrid didn't actually have the money. That they're nowhere near as loaded as the image they like to project and that the whole thing has been engineered to save face for everyone. The evidence to support is largely related to the staggering amount of debt Real are in, which while written off against the Spanish crown, has become increasingly difficult to justify politically coupled to the fact that most of their big recent deals have involved player exchanges suggesting they may be (relatively speaking) a bit short of cash. I think this is possible - no one ever talks about the economics of Spanish football but they are in a dire state. Barca and Real rise above but largely because they have a free pass to run up collosal debts. There may come a time when that is no longer considered acceptable. There's real concern in Europe about the amount of spending by Premiership clubs - the Bundesliga is particularly worried about the amount of talent that has been shipped out. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 13:13:09 GMT
Indeed. I reckon they're banking on Bale's value decreasing and De Gea's rising enough that a swap deal will be palatable for the Real fans next summer.
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Post by strung out on Sept 11, 2015 14:10:56 GMT
I agree with what you say, but the mystery to me is why Madrid refused to come to an agreement with United in the transfer window. Their reluctance to compromise could cost them dear in the future, bearing in mind that the player has just committed to a four-year deal. Mind you, I think that De Gea has been very well advised. Ultimately he seems to the stand-out winner in all of this. There is an interesting rumour going round that Madrid didn't actually have the money. That they're nowhere near as loaded as the image they like to project and that the whole thing has been engineered to save face for everyone. The evidence to support is largely related to the staggering amount of debt Real are in, which while written off against the Spanish crown, has become increasingly difficult to justify politically coupled to the fact that most of their big recent deals have involved player exchanges suggesting they may be (relatively speaking) a bit short of cash. I think this is possible - no one ever talks about the economics of Spanish football but they are in a dire state. Barca and Real rise above but largely because they have a free pass to run up collosal debts. There may come a time when that is no longer considered acceptable. There's real concern in Europe about the amount of spending by Premiership clubs - the Bundesliga is particularly worried about the amount of talent that has been shipped out. 20% of the transfer fees paid by English clubs in the last window went to the Budesliga. In a weird turn of events, the huge TV deals commanded by the Premier League are indirectly bankrolling German football, along with various other national leagues. The money's trickling down, but to players and foreign clubs, not the lower English leagues. |
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Post by brizzle on Sept 11, 2015 14:44:23 GMT
I agree with what you say, but the mystery to me is why Madrid refused to come to an agreement with United in the transfer window. Their reluctance to compromise could cost them dear in the future, bearing in mind that the player has just committed to a four-year deal. Mind you, I think that De Gea has been very well advised. Ultimately he seems to the stand-out winner in all of this. That they're nowhere near as loaded as the image they like to project and that the whole thing has been engineered to save face for everyone. The evidence to support is largely related to the staggering amount of debt Real are in, which while written off against the Spanish crown, has become increasingly difficult to justify politically coupled to the fact that most of their big recent deals have involved player exchanges suggesting they may be (relatively speaking) a bit short of cash. I think this is possible - no one ever talks about the economics of Spanish football but they are in a dire state. Barca and Real rise above but largely because they have a free pass to run up collosal debts. There may come a time when that is no longer considered acceptable. There's real concern in Europe about the amount of spending by Premiership clubs - the Bundesliga is particularly worried about the amount of talent that has been shipped out. I think that we may well have been reading the same articles, because I've been aware for quite some time that Real Madrid are comparatively down on their uppers. There was also a theory (as you say) that they couldn't (not wouldn't) complete the deal for De Gea, which is why they held Ed Woodward up for public ridicule, to deflect the blame away from themselves. I thought all this talk about Woodward not being up to the job was quite ridiculous, and unbecoming of arguably the worlds number one club. Whatever you may think of the man or the club that he represents, it's poor form to get into a public slanging match over a missed opportunity. The fact is that Real had the whole of the transfer window at least to complete the deal, but for whatever reason failed to do so. If they were that committed I don't think that it would have gone down to the wire. So on that basis alone, what you say does make very good sense. Equally the behaviour of De Gea doesn't stand too much scrutiny, or his agent if it comes to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 17:05:12 GMT
There is an interesting rumour going round that Madrid didn't actually have the money. There may be something in this. Wenger is saying that it was his decision not to complete the Benzema deal. Maybe they needed that money to pay for DeGea? |
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Post by Peter Parker on Sept 11, 2015 17:51:00 GMT
There is an interesting rumour going round that Madrid didn't actually have the money. That they're nowhere near as loaded as the image they like to project and that the whole thing has been engineered to save face for everyone. The evidence to support is largely related to the staggering amount of debt Real are in, which while written off against the Spanish crown, has become increasingly difficult to justify politically coupled to the fact that most of their big recent deals have involved player exchanges suggesting they may be (relatively speaking) a bit short of cash. I think this is possible - no one ever talks about the economics of Spanish football but they are in a dire state. Barca and Real rise above but largely because they have a free pass to run up collosal debts. There may come a time when that is no longer considered acceptable. There's real concern in Europe about the amount of spending by Premiership clubs - the Bundesliga is particularly worried about the amount of talent that has been shipped out. I think that we may well have been reading the same articles, because I've been aware for quite some time that Real Madrid are comparatively down on their uppers. There was also a theory (as you say) that they couldn't (not wouldn't) complete the deal for De Gea, which is why they held Ed Woodward up for public ridicule, to deflect the blame away from themselves. I thought all this talk about Woodward not being up to the job was quite ridiculous, and unbecoming of arguably the worlds number one club. Whatever you may think of the man or the club that he represents, it's poor form to get into a public slanging match over a missed opportunity. The fact is that Real had the whole of the transfer window at least to complete the deal, but for whatever reason failed to do so. If they were that committed I don't think that it would have gone down to the wire. So on that basis alone, what you say does make very good sense. Equally the behaviour of De Gea doesn't stand too much scrutiny, or his agent if it comes to that. What did De Gea do |
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Post by irishrover on Sept 11, 2015 18:18:56 GMT
There is an interesting rumour going round that Madrid didn't actually have the money. There may be something in this. Wenger is saying that it was his decision not to complete the Benzema deal. Maybe they needed that money to pay for DeGea? I mean it's difficult to know really because the Barca and Real have long existed in a completely different financially universe from everyone else even by football standards but I think it is plausible. I think it's completely possible that neither of them have ever actually turned a real profit in their history (and certainly not recently). But it doesn't really matter because as far as I can understand they are treated like national assets rather than businesses. There was certainly a time when the entiriity of Madrid's debts was secured against the Spanish crown which as a good as saying they are buttressed by the state. I doubt it's as obvious now but I'd be surprised if the same basic principle didn't apply. Barca have an equally shady arrangement with the provincial government of Catalunya. But it is possible that football has now gotten so stratospherically wealthy that even those arrangements may not quite be enough. Brizzle - not quite sure about that myself. I think there's something of air of a panto about this whole business. A lot of jumping and down but it all feels a bit like they're going through the motions and at the end of it seems like everyone may have gotten what they want. Apparently Madrid have a world beating junior keeper coming through anyway and De Gea's just become the best paid goalkeeper of all-time. United fans up here seem to think he's conducted himself with dignity - he gets a lot of praise for being professional and keeping his mouth shut etc. |
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Post by brizzle on Sept 12, 2015 8:20:48 GMT
There may be something in this. Wenger is saying that it was his decision not to complete the Benzema deal. Maybe they needed that money to pay for DeGea? I mean it's difficult to know really because the Barca and Real have long existed in a completely different financially universe from everyone else even by football standards but I think it is plausible. I think it's completely possible that neither of them have ever actually turned a real profit in their history (and certainly not recently). But it doesn't really matter because as far as I can understand they are treated like national assets rather than businesses. There was certainly a time when the entiriity of Madrid's debts was secured against the Spanish crown which as a good as saying they are buttressed by the state. I doubt it's as obvious now but I'd be surprised if the same basic principle didn't apply. Barca have an equally shady arrangement with the provincial government of Catalunya. But it is possible that football has now gotten so stratospherically wealthy that even those arrangements may not quite be enough. Brizzle - not quite sure about that myself. I think there's something of air of a panto about this whole business. A lot of jumping and down but it all feels a bit like they're going through the motions and at the end of it seems like everyone may have gotten what they want. Apparently Madrid have a world beating junior keeper coming through anyway and De Gea's just become the best paid goalkeeper of all-time. United fans up here seem to think he's conducted himself with dignity - he gets a lot of praise for being professional and keeping his mouth shut etc. I suppose it depends on whether you are looking at this through the eyes of a cynic or realist, but as with all things only time will tell. But I do agree with you about it being like a panto, perhaps it's best to let them all get on with it and observe from afar? Anyway, we have our own goalkeeper to concern ourselves with today. Good luck to him. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Sept 12, 2015 10:01:04 GMT
There may be something in this. Wenger is saying that it was his decision not to complete the Benzema deal. Maybe they needed that money to pay for DeGea? I mean it's difficult to know really because the Barca and Real have long existed in a completely different financially universe from everyone else even by football standards but I think it is plausible. I think it's completely possible that neither of them have ever actually turned a real profit in their history (and certainly not recently). But it doesn't really matter because as far as I can understand they are treated like national assets rather than businesses. There was certainly a time when the entiriity of Madrid's debts was secured against the Spanish crown which as a good as saying they are buttressed by the state. I doubt it's as obvious now but I'd be surprised if the same basic principle didn't apply. Barca have an equally shady arrangement with the provincial government of Catalunya. But it is possible that football has now gotten so stratospherically wealthy that even those arrangements may not quite be enough. Brizzle - not quite sure about that myself. I think there's something of air of a panto about this whole business. A lot of jumping and down but it all feels a bit like they're going through the motions and at the end of it seems like everyone may have gotten what they want. Apparently Madrid have a world beating junior keeper coming through anyway and De Gea's just become the best paid goalkeeper of all-time. United fans up here seem to think he's conducted himself with dignity - he gets a lot of praise for being professional and keeping his mouth shut etc. The EU did open a case against most (if not all) Spanish club for illegal state aid in this case the non payment & collection of payroll taxes. Don't think it has gone anywhere as the EU Commissioner responsible happened to be a big fan of Bilbao or Sociedad (forget which) who alledgedly were one of the biggest defaulters. The EU rotten to the core only slightly less worse an organisation than FIFA. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 13:41:47 GMT
I mean it's difficult to know really because the Barca and Real have long existed in a completely different financially universe from everyone else even by football standards but I think it is plausible. I think it's completely possible that neither of them have ever actually turned a real profit in their history (and certainly not recently). But it doesn't really matter because as far as I can understand they are treated like national assets rather than businesses. There was certainly a time when the entiriity of Madrid's debts was secured against the Spanish crown which as a good as saying they are buttressed by the state. I doubt it's as obvious now but I'd be surprised if the same basic principle didn't apply. Barca have an equally shady arrangement with the provincial government of Catalunya. But it is possible that football has now gotten so stratospherically wealthy that even those arrangements may not quite be enough. Brizzle - not quite sure about that myself. I think there's something of air of a panto about this whole business. A lot of jumping and down but it all feels a bit like they're going through the motions and at the end of it seems like everyone may have gotten what they want. Apparently Madrid have a world beating junior keeper coming through anyway and De Gea's just become the best paid goalkeeper of all-time. United fans up here seem to think he's conducted himself with dignity - he gets a lot of praise for being professional and keeping his mouth shut etc. The EU did open a case against most (if not all) Spanish club for illegal state aid in this case the non payment & collection of payroll taxes. Don't think it has gone anywhere as the EU Commissioner responsible happened to be a big fan of Bilbao or Sociedad (forget which) who alledgedly were one of the biggest defaulters. The EU rotten to the core only slightly less worse an organisation than FIFA. Labour's new leader agrees with you and would take us out of the EU. As for FIFA, didn't you hear the interview with that nice Mr Blatter, none of it was his fault it seems. |
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Post by brizzle on Sept 13, 2015 15:19:21 GMT
The EU did open a case against most (if not all) Spanish club for illegal state aid in this case the non payment & collection of payroll taxes. Don't think it has gone anywhere as the EU Commissioner responsible happened to be a big fan of Bilbao or Sociedad (forget which) who alledgedly were one of the biggest defaulters. The EU rotten to the core only slightly less worse an organisation than FIFA. As for FIFA, didn't you hear the interview with that nice Mr Blatter, none of it was his fault it seems. In . . . Out . . . In . . . Out . . . Shake it all about . . . seems to be Jeremy's thinking. I'm really looking forward to the next four years. Have any more of 'em resigned yet?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 12:47:41 GMT
Labour's new leader agrees with you and would take us out of the EU.As for FIFA, didn't you hear the interview with that nice Mr Blatter, none of it was his fault it seems. In . . . Out . . . In . . . Out . . . Shake it all about . . . seems to be Jeremy's thinking. I'm really looking forward to the next four years. Have any more of 'em resigned yet? Most of them resigned before they had even been offered jobs to resign from. I'm looking forward to PMQs tomorrow. Jeremy seems to think that if he asks serious questions he'll get serious replies. |
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