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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 11:51:04 GMT
I didn't go so I'm not going to comment on the performance but my Dad did say "Sometimes you can play a bit s**t and still nearly get something, sometimes was Rovers on Saturday".
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Post by nailseaglassgas on Aug 10, 2015 12:02:25 GMT
Was it Saints or Town we played yesterday? Having said that, most of the grabbing, pushing, puling, would have been penalised in rugby. I've read elsewhere of people impressed by Cresswell - he might have won his headers, but he frequently sliced his clearances, and came out on top in his tussles as the referee let him get away with everything. It was ironic that the only yellow card they picked up was when Sincs ran into the fullback and threw himself to the ground. Just when you thought we'd escaped the rubbish referees ... We might have missed two one-on-ones, but I can't take the victory away from NTFC : far more shots than us, and corners - our only one came in stoppage time. A very stupid booking, I am afraid Sincs clipped the Northampton player from behind, mandatory booking these days, then there were far worse fouls with no cards given. Overall NTFC deserved their win |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 12:07:19 GMT
I agree. We just scrape out of a division filled with park players and people think that a manager who had all the cards stacked in his favour is doing well. Too early obviously to have any idea how this season will go, but today's performance, tactics and inability to change as the game progressed was worrying. Still, we were pants on the first day of last season and got promoted. We got turned over 4-1 on the first day of the 2006~07 season, and that turned out OK. You seem to have overlooked the fact that DC rewrote the club history books when it came to unbeaten runs, only one automatic promotion from a league that many other ex league clubs have found impossible to get out of, DC is the best thing that has happened in the pas decades, yet with the lack of brain cells on offer among the vocal sorts two or three defeats will see the Faithfull and true fans turn on him while Higgs sails the club firmly towards administration completely unchallenged. What's that we'll used phrase? 'Only at Rovers'. You seem to have overlooked the comically bad standard of play in the division we were in last season. And the fact that Clarke inherited a decent L2 defence. I honestly think that half the team were shocked at how fast to react and how strong Northampton were. Kind of makes a mockery of all the people who were saying that there isn't much difference between the 4th and 5th tier. Make no mistake, we were duffed up by proper professional footballers on Saturday. Hopefully that will have shaken things up and we'll be 'at it' from now on. I don't think that anybody is unaware of Higgs' record, in matters on or off the pitch, but there isn't much that will change unless he wants it to. Can you explain why Higgs would put the club into administration when the only significant external debt is £2.6m secured against a £10m + asset? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2015 12:18:34 GMT
Could it be a convinent way of not paying Sainsbury's costs in full if we do lose the Appeal? It still seems odd to me taking out the Wonga loan when winning the case seems far from straight forward, surely there were cheaper ways of obtaining the loan?
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 10, 2015 13:16:21 GMT
You seem to have overlooked the fact that DC rewrote the club history books when it came to unbeaten runs, only one automatic promotion from a league that many other ex league clubs have found impossible to get out of, DC is the best thing that has happened in the pas decades, yet with the lack of brain cells on offer among the vocal sorts two or three defeats will see the Faithfull and true fans turn on him while Higgs sails the club firmly towards administration completely unchallenged. What's that we'll used phrase? 'Only at Rovers'. You seem to have overlooked the comically bad standard of play in the division we were in last season. And the fact that Clarke inherited a decent L2 defence. I honestly think that half the team were shocked at how fast to react and how strong Northampton were. Kind of makes a mockery of all the people who were saying that there isn't much difference between the 4th and 5th tier. Make no mistake, we were duffed up by proper professional footballers on Saturday. Hopefully that will have shaken things up and we'll be 'at it' from now on. I don't think that anybody is unaware of Higgs' record, in matters on or off the pitch, but there isn't much that will change unless he wants it to. Can you explain why Higgs would put the club into administration when the only significant external debt is £2.6m secured against a £10m + asset?
hmm. Clarke inherited a lower half league 2 defence, as evidenced by the goals conceded record, minus it's best member in Michael Smith.
I still don't think there's much difference between the lower half of League 2, and the top 5 or 6 of the Conference. I agree though that those who thought that we would fly straight through league 2, need a reality check. There's very little evidence for that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 13:45:18 GMT
You seem to have overlooked the comically bad standard of play in the division we were in last season. And the fact that Clarke inherited a decent L2 defence. I honestly think that half the team were shocked at how fast to react and how strong Northampton were. Kind of makes a mockery of all the people who were saying that there isn't much difference between the 4th and 5th tier. Make no mistake, we were duffed up by proper professional footballers on Saturday. Hopefully that will have shaken things up and we'll be 'at it' from now on. I don't think that anybody is unaware of Higgs' record, in matters on or off the pitch, but there isn't much that will change unless he wants it to. Can you explain why Higgs would put the club into administration when the only significant external debt is £2.6m secured against a £10m + asset?
hmm. Clarke inherited a lower half league 2 defence, as evidenced by the goals conceded record, minus it's best member in Michael Smith.
I still don't think there's much difference between the lower half of League 2, and the top 5 or 6 of the Conference. I agree though that those who thought that we would fly straight through league 2, need a reality check. There's very little evidence for that.
Outside of the top 7 only 2 teams conceeded fewer goals than us in the season that we lost out League status. The anticipation and strength of Northampton is miles ahead of anything we faced last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:33:45 GMT
Could it be a convinent way of not paying Sainsbury's costs in full if we do lose the Appeal? It still seems odd to me taking out the Wonga loan when winning the case seems far from straight forward, surely there were cheaper ways of obtaining the loan? Unless I'm missing something here, it would be an act of madness. The site is worth circa £12~15m, the directors own that asset. External debt secured against it £2.6m to Wonga. Sainsbury's costs, circa £750k at present, maybe £1m after appeal? So total external debt (assuming appeal is lost) circa £3.5m. Assuming asset value to be circa £12m, if stadium sold and debts paid then retained funds would be circa £8.5m+ Why would you put the company into administration, lose control of the asset and your £8.5m, have it fire-sold and the administrator take a big % for the service of underselling the stadium, just to avoid paying Sainsbury's around 8% of the value of the asset? I agree, I don't understand why they borrowed that £2.6m. I would have thought that between them they could have raised that money? |
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 10, 2015 15:54:32 GMT
hmm. Clarke inherited a lower half league 2 defence, as evidenced by the goals conceded record, minus it's best member in Michael Smith.
I still don't think there's much difference between the lower half of League 2, and the top 5 or 6 of the Conference. I agree though that those who thought that we would fly straight through league 2, need a reality check. There's very little evidence for that.
Outside of the top 7 only 2 teams conceeded fewer goals than us in the season that we lost out League status. The anticipation and strength of Northampton is miles ahead of anything we faced last season.
Or to put it another way, 10 other teams conceded less than, or the same amount, as Rovers. A further 5 were within 3 goals conceded, nothing over the course of a season. So Clarke inherited an average League 2 defence at best, minus its outstanding player in Michael Smith.
Eastleigh, Macclesfield and Grimsby gave us similar problems last year by pressing high up the pitch.
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Post by fanatical on Aug 10, 2015 16:05:07 GMT
Could it be a convinent way of not paying Sainsbury's costs in full if we do lose the Appeal? It still seems odd to me taking out the Wonga loan when winning the case seems far from straight forward, surely there were cheaper ways of obtaining the loan? Unless I'm missing something here, it would be an act of madness. The site is worth circa £12~15m, the directors own that asset. External debt secured against it £2.6m to Wonga. Sainsbury's costs, circa £750k at present, maybe £1m after appeal? So total external debt (assuming appeal is lost) circa £3.5m. Assuming asset value to be circa £12m, if stadium sold and debts paid then retained funds would be circa £8.5m+ Why would you put the company into administration, lose control of the asset and your £8.5m, have it fire-sold and the administrator take a big % for the service of underselling the stadium, just to avoid paying Sainsbury's around 8% of the value of the asset? I agree, I don't understand why they borrowed that £2.6m. I would have thought that between them they could have raised that money?Even if they could why would minority shareholders put any more money in? - the only person who is in the position to do so because he has complete control is Mr Higgs. But the rest of your summary is on the button. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 16:10:58 GMT
Unless I'm missing something here, it would be an act of madness. The site is worth circa £12~15m, the directors own that asset. External debt secured against it £2.6m to Wonga. Sainsbury's costs, circa £750k at present, maybe £1m after appeal? So total external debt (assuming appeal is lost) circa £3.5m. Assuming asset value to be circa £12m, if stadium sold and debts paid then retained funds would be circa £8.5m+ Why would you put the company into administration, lose control of the asset and your £8.5m, have it fire-sold and the administrator take a big % for the service of underselling the stadium, just to avoid paying Sainsbury's around 8% of the value of the asset? I agree, I don't understand why they borrowed that £2.6m. I would have thought that between them they could have raised that money?Even if they could why would minority shareholders put any more money in? - the only person who is in the position to do so because he has complete control is Mr Higgs. But the rest of your summary is on the button. Does that maybe suggest a lack of harmony in the boardroom? |
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Post by The Concept on Aug 10, 2015 16:38:25 GMT
Was it Saints or Town we played yesterday? Having said that, most of the grabbing, pushing, puling, would have been penalised in rugby. I've read elsewhere of people impressed by Cresswell - he might have won his headers, but he frequently sliced his clearances, and came out on top in his tussles as the referee let him get away with everything. It was ironic that the only yellow card they picked up was when Sincs ran into the fullback and threw himself to the ground. Just when you thought we'd escaped the rubbish referees ... We might have missed two one-on-ones, but I can't take the victory away from NTFC : far more shots than us, and corners - our only one came in stoppage time. A very stupid booking, I am afraid Sincs clipped the Northampton player from behind, mandatory booking these days, then there were far worse fouls with no cards given. Overall NTFC deserved their win I think you've misunderstood me there. I wasn't referring the booking Sincs received, rather the yellow card Adams from Northampton picked up when Sincs just ran into him and there was nothing he could do about it. I wouldn't have even given a free kick. Agree with what you've said otherwise. |
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Post by irishrover on Aug 10, 2015 16:57:31 GMT
I wasn't there but it sounds like we played badly. I don't like Northampton so losing to them is annoying but looking at who they signed before the season they stood out to me as a team that I thought would do very well. It's a mugs game making those kind of predictions but I liked a lot of their signings (keeping in mind it was on top of a fairly solid season where they finished 12th) and I definitely felt a top 7 vibe. No doubt some people will come back and say stuff like 'there wasn't much to them', 'we made them look good', 'they were just physical and difficult to breakdown'. Well I'd just say that winning boring 1-0/1-1 away games by outmuscling/outworking/generally being a pain in the arse is how most teams in the top 7 get into the top 7 from what I've seen over the years. The League 2 playoffs last year were not exactly a festival of total football. I'm just guessing but I think Mansell is likely to be an absolutely crucial player for us this year - we don't have a replacement defensive midfielder (not surprised by reports on Lockyer not being up to it) and without him I think we could well find ourselves struggling to impose on the game. Doesn't matter how good your attacking players are if you can't get them the ball in promising positions - that is what defensive midfielders do, they put you on the front foot and allow your attacking players to play. Last time around this was a key issue too - Ward didn't trust any of his centre midfield pairings not to be outmuscled so we had 3 in the middle (with 1 just sitting in front of the defence) most of the time, the result was a side that had to sit so deep that it could never get forward.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2015 17:24:17 GMT
Northampton were built around an uncompromising Adam Barrett type CH, our tactics of launching it long to Taylor & Easter played right into his hands, although the Mem pitch always seems smaller when our opponents have such a player in defence!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2015 17:27:16 GMT
Could it be a convinent way of not paying Sainsbury's costs in full if we do lose the Appeal? It still seems odd to me taking out the Wonga loan when winning the case seems far from straight forward, surely there were cheaper ways of obtaining the loan? Unless I'm missing something here, it would be an act of madness. The site is worth circa £12~15m, the directors own that asset. External debt secured against it £2.6m to Wonga. Sainsbury's costs, circa £750k at present, maybe £1m after appeal? So total external debt (assuming appeal is lost) circa £3.5m. Assuming asset value to be circa £12m, if stadium sold and debts paid then retained funds would be circa £8.5m+ Why would you put the company into administration, lose control of the asset and your £8.5m, have it fire-sold and the administrator take a big % for the service of underselling the stadium, just to avoid paying Sainsbury's around 8% of the value of the asset? I agree, I don't understand why they borrowed that £2.6m. I would have thought that between them they could have raised that money? Madness it maybe but I can't understand why NH is therefore throwing more of his own money away in a seemingly fruitless chase of Sainsbury's. I suppose another option is run up such a big debt the 9nly option left is to sell the Mem? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 18:24:27 GMT
Unless I'm missing something here, it would be an act of madness. The site is worth circa £12~15m, the directors own that asset. External debt secured against it £2.6m to Wonga. Sainsbury's costs, circa £750k at present, maybe £1m after appeal? So total external debt (assuming appeal is lost) circa £3.5m. Assuming asset value to be circa £12m, if stadium sold and debts paid then retained funds would be circa £8.5m+ Why would you put the company into administration, lose control of the asset and your £8.5m, have it fire-sold and the administrator take a big % for the service of underselling the stadium, just to avoid paying Sainsbury's around 8% of the value of the asset? I agree, I don't understand why they borrowed that £2.6m. I would have thought that between them they could have raised that money? Madness it maybe but I can't understand why NH is therefore throwing more of his own money away in a seemingly fruitless chase of Sainsbury's. I suppose another option is run up such a big debt the 9nly option left is to sell the Mem? I have no idea what's going on in Nick's head, but from where we were the day that the good Lady said 'No' to him, he's faced with chucking maybe £100k in legal costs at the problem with the potential gain being £15m (if it's possible, under any circumstances, to force Sainsbury's to complete). Maybe if you have many millions in the bank you wouldn't mind putting £100k down with a potential 150/1 return? |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Aug 10, 2015 18:26:41 GMT
The League 2 playoffs last year were not exactly a festival of total football. Haha!  |
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