simonj
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Post by simonj on Jul 6, 2015 7:23:06 GMT
Not sure what the fuss is about, its been the same for the last several years. The difference in price hasn't been highlighted very well, but with instalments its better to get in early as they have been cheaper for a number of years (same for matchday early bird stuff).
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 6, 2015 8:43:33 GMT
£350? To watch 4th division football from a terrace behind the goal? Ha aha ha ha ha. They must think we're right mugs... With virtually no stadium facilities to speak off, and uprights blocking the view, it's far too expensive. Would need to know how many games are Category A (stop laughing at the back) to be able to make a comparison and see what the ''saving'' is by giving them the money to spend all in 1 go rather than drip feeding it to them through the season. (as an aside, with all the talk of possible administration, would season tickets still be valid if administration happened, or would people holding those tickets just join the queue of non-preferred creditors?) What I don't get is, when, dispite Higgs' Canute like promises, we suffered the embarrasment of being relegated to the basement division, they didn't put prices down. Now we find ourselves back in the 4th tier, we are supposed to be grateful and happy to pay even more for the privilidge. So Bamber, what do you consider a Fair price for such poor facilities ? Can you factor into your answer the fact that most Gasheads would also like to watch a decent standard of football and that has to be paid for through the wage structure
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faggotygas
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Post by faggotygas on Jul 6, 2015 8:53:23 GMT
In the first link you have given, the club say that buying a season ticket qualifies you for, I don't know how many games they have laughably tagged as Category A, but based on normal match day early bird prices, £16 x 23 = 368, purely a guess, but if 6 games were Cat A that would add £12, so your saving would be £30, or , £1.30 per game. Doesn't sound like a ''Huge'' saving to me. Is there such a thing as a 'match day early bird price'? I thought you only got the early bird price if you bought before match day. I've been a season ticket holder for a while though, so I might be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 9:29:54 GMT
With virtually no stadium facilities to speak off, and uprights blocking the view, it's far too expensive. Would need to know how many games are Category A (stop laughing at the back) to be able to make a comparison and see what the ''saving'' is by giving them the money to spend all in 1 go rather than drip feeding it to them through the season. (as an aside, with all the talk of possible administration, would season tickets still be valid if administration happened, or would people holding those tickets just join the queue of non-preferred creditors?) What I don't get is, when, dispite Higgs' Canute like promises, we suffered the embarrasment of being relegated to the basement division, they didn't put prices down. Now we find ourselves back in the 4th tier, we are supposed to be grateful and happy to pay even more for the privilidge. So Bamber, what do you consider a Fair price for such poor facilities ? Can you factor into your answer the fact that most Gasheads would also like to watch a decent standard of football and that has to be paid for through the wage structure Well, there's the problem. If Higgs used the money wisely them personally I wouldn't worry too much about giving it to him to spend.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 6, 2015 10:03:06 GMT
So Bamber, what do you consider a Fair price for such poor facilities ? Can you factor into your answer the fact that most Gasheads would also like to watch a decent standard of football and that has to be paid for through the wage structure Well, there's the problem. If Higgs used the money wisely them personally I wouldn't worry too much about giving it to him to spend. So with Mr Higgs not being at the helm much longer, i ask the same question again ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 10:15:31 GMT
Well, there's the problem. If Higgs used the money wisely them personally I wouldn't worry too much about giving it to him to spend. So with Mr Higgs not being at the helm much longer, i ask the same question again ? The job of any new owner is to sell their vision and convince us of their plan. That hasn't happened yet, so it's impossible to answer your question.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 6, 2015 10:30:51 GMT
So with Mr Higgs not being at the helm much longer, i ask the same question again ? The job of any new owner is to sell their vision and convince us of their plan. That hasn't happened yet, so it's impossible to answer your question. ok give us a best guess then ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 10:47:03 GMT
The job of any new owner is to sell their vision and convince us of their plan. That hasn't happened yet, so it's impossible to answer your question. ok give us a best guess then ? I dunno. If Samuelson is involved then tuppence for a season ticket. If the Venkies are involved then 1p. Get someone with a proven record on board, like Mike Turl (has worked nothing short of miracles at Sollihull) and I'll hapilly give him £500 for a terrace ticekt or £1500 for a box ticket, safe in the knowledge that the money will be spent wisely.
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LPGas
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Post by LPGas on Jul 8, 2015 9:26:45 GMT
You cannot compare an amateur club to a full professional club. Income tax: National insurance: Pensions; they don't apply to Solihull . I think people often forget that players are employees, just like they are at any other business, and they come with a lot of financial baggage
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 9:40:51 GMT
You cannot compare an amateur club to a full professional club. Income tax: National insurance: Pensions; they don't apply to Solihull . I think people often forget that players are employees, just like they are at any other business, and they come with a lot of financial baggage You don't think that managers like Marcus Bignot and his squad get paid? Don't be so naive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 10:13:38 GMT
You cannot compare an amateur club to a full professional club. Income tax: National insurance: Pensions; they don't apply to Solihull . I think people often forget that players are employees, just like they are at any other business, and they come with a lot of financial baggage You don't think that managers like Marcus Bignot and his squad get paid? Don't be so naive. I wonder which professional club LP wants us to compare Rovers to?
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jul 8, 2015 15:18:17 GMT
You cannot compare an amateur club to a full professional club. Income tax: National insurance: Pensions; they don't apply to Solihull . I think people often forget that players are employees, just like they are at any other business, and they come with a lot of financial baggage A new level in what people dont understand about the words part-time and didn't for most of last season. Its not amateur, its just players train for same length of time often in the evenings and clubs do not have a call on their time during the other hours in a day. When we played Nuneaton one of their guys told us one of their 'part-time' players was paid more by them than 4 of our starting eleven that night. He knew as they'd spoken to our players and agents about signing for Nuneaton before we came along (and in one case offered less than Nuneaton). And in that calculation he was ignoring the players wages from work he could do for himself during the hours before training.Little wonder the fella preferred being a 'part-time' player. Many years ago Forest Green were part time- but signed a player from Swindon on £1000 a week.....with all the tax NI and pension paid. The surprise for me is that more league clubs have not gone 'part-time', at least partially, it used to happen, even to Rovers ie David Williams and Gary Smart were 'part-time' for a number of years at Rovers.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 8, 2015 16:11:12 GMT
In the first link you have given, the club say that buying a season ticket qualifies you for, I don't know how many games they have laughably tagged as Category A, but based on normal match day early bird prices, £16 x 23 = 368, purely a guess, but if 6 games were Cat A that would add £12, so your saving would be £30, or , £1.30 per game. Doesn't sound like a ''Huge'' saving to me. ah, now you seem to be someone who thinks the club reads articles before they make them live. I can quash the rumour that they cut and paste previous stories and press 'publish'. it is a far more complex system than that Also no need to worry that there will be lots of Cat A games in the bottom division, a league we had never even been in before 2OO1. My HP at the club says Cat A will only be used if we draw Man U, Liverpool, Manc City , Arsenal or Chelsea in a cup. Or City. Or Swindon. Or any PL team. Or Championship team. And in Lge 2 it will be only be used for southern based teams within 1OO miles who we have a long standing hatred of rivallry with, such as Oxford, Newport, Yeovil, Wycombe, Plymouth, Pompey and Exeter. Plus any other 'huge' match. in Lge 2. Did I mention we are in Lge 2? You heard it here first...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 16:24:03 GMT
You cannot compare an amateur club to a full professional club. Income tax: National insurance: Pensions; they don't apply to Solihull . I think people often forget that players are employees, just like they are at any other business, and they come with a lot of financial baggage A new level in what people dont understand about the words part-time and didn't for most of last season. Its not amateur, its just players train for same length of time often in the evenings and clubs do not have a call on their time during the other hours in a day. When we played Nuneaton one of their guys told us one of their 'part-time' players was paid more by them than 4 of our starting eleven that night. He knew as they'd spoken to our players and agents about signing for Nuneaton before we came along (and in one case offered less than Nuneaton). And in that calculation he was ignoring the players wages from work he could do for himself during the hours before training.Little wonder the fella preferred being a 'part-time' player. Many years ago Forest Green were part time- but signed a player from Swindon on £1000 a week.....with all the tax NI and pension paid. The surprise for me is that more league clubs have not gone 'part-time', at least partially, it used to happen, even to Rovers ie David Williams and Gary Smart were 'part-time' for a number of years at Rovers. If you are training and preparing properly as a professional athlete there isn't time to do a 2nd job. Take a look at the regimes followed by serious athletes, the Brownlee brothers are a good example.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 10, 2015 6:35:35 GMT
If there was no price hike there wouldn't be a deadline. That's the point. Must admit its a bit steep but in fairness there has been plenty of time to get the cheaper version (s) At £350 it equates to £15 per game, The original offer I believe was £260 or a monthly payt system. with early birds available for 16 quid most games there are now minimal savings on buying a season ticket, therefore not much point of keeping them on sale. The majority of us have become very lazy and subsequently I don't think anyone can really complain about this. I know that I leave things until the last minute and do most of my shopping and banking online now and yet, even with this, I still don't tend to get things sorted until end of the month and then pay, buy and sort everything in one session your point about the early bird discount is a valid one. There are also plenty of tickets available on a match day, from unscrupulous people, who get free tickets from the club but then sell the, on. I have boight a few in my time but I draw the line at the armed forces tickets and have given a couple my voluble opinion on what they are doing i think it's just the nature of the beast, if people can make a buck then they will. I have my first ever ST this season but, to be frank, it would not cost me more if I continued as I did
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 10, 2015 6:44:48 GMT
You cannot compare an amateur club to a full professional club. Income tax: National insurance: Pensions; they don't apply to Solihull . I think people often forget that players are employees, just like they are at any other business, and they come with a lot of financial baggage A new level in what people dont understand about the words part-time and didn't for most of last season. Its not amateur, its just players train for same length of time often in the evenings and clubs do not have a call on their time during the other hours in a day. When we played Nuneaton one of their guys told us one of their 'part-time' players was paid more by them than 4 of our starting eleven that night. He knew as they'd spoken to our players and agents about signing for Nuneaton before we came along (and in one case offered less than Nuneaton). And in that calculation he was ignoring the players wages from work he could do for himself during the hours before training.Little wonder the fella preferred being a 'part-time' player. Many years ago Forest Green were part time- but signed a player from Swindon on £1000 a week.....with all the tax NI and pension paid. The surprise for me is that more league clubs have not gone 'part-time', at least partially, it used to happen, even to Rovers ie David Williams and Gary Smart were 'part-time' for a number of years at Rovers. As I understand it, Smarty was never offered full time. He was brought in by Bobby Gould, on the old YTS ( youth training scheme) for those not old enough to remember the slave labour deal where employers could get someone in under the guise of apprenticeship but pay them way below what they would anyone else. The employer would give a percentage of the pay and the government, Thatcher at the time, paid the other part of this pittance. Gary was my next door neighbour from 90-95. If memory serves me well then he was not offered a deal which could see him earn enough to live on. I know how upset he was. The guy used to astound me with his fitness levels and how he would push himself and this was when he no longer played for us. I always felt Gary could have made it, had he been given a real chance and not been treated as shabbily as he was. Lit was always a gasheads wet dream when he had his regular parties. Boris, Ollie, Curle, Kite etc were regulars. Poor bloke always had to ask me to leave as I would not stop talking Rovers with the players
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LPGas
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Post by LPGas on Jul 10, 2015 8:53:00 GMT
Ok Solihull their players are not "full time". Yes they might pick up "wages" but they wont be entitled to the things that full time players are. This is one of the reasons that most deals are just one year, and most deals are pay as you play. This is for a lot of clubs in the Conference north and south, and I would say most clubs below that
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LPGas
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Post by LPGas on Jul 10, 2015 9:03:32 GMT
You cannot compare an amateur club to a full professional club. Income tax: National insurance: Pensions; they don't apply to Solihull . I think people often forget that players are employees, just like they are at any other business, and they come with a lot of financial baggage You don't think that managers like Marcus Bignot and his squad get paid? Don't be so naive. Not naïve at all, they might get paid on a pay as you play basis, the majority will have other jobs and they will not receive any holiday money if they are on a 1 year deal which 99% of them will be, they will probably get some medical insurance. The NI contributions will probably be classed as part time or temporary.
Compare this to Rovers players who are employed full time and either play or train every day, they have longer contracts which include holidays, pensions, and medical insurance.
Naïve? Not really, just know how non league clubs are run.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 14:39:48 GMT
You don't think that managers like Marcus Bignot and his squad get paid? Don't be so naive. Not naïve at all, they might get paid on a pay as you play basis, the majority will have other jobs and they will not receive any holiday money if they are on a 1 year deal which 99% of them will be, they will probably get some medical insurance. The NI contributions will probably be classed as part time or temporary.
Compare this to Rovers players who are employed full time and either play or train every day, they have longer contracts which include holidays, pensions, and medical insurance.
Naïve? Not really, just know how non league clubs are run.
You have just confirmed you naivety.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 10, 2015 20:16:04 GMT
Not naïve at all, they might get paid on a pay as you play basis, the majority will have other jobs and they will not receive any holiday money if they are on a 1 year deal which 99% of them will be, they will probably get some medical insurance. The NI contributions will probably be classed as part time or temporary.
Compare this to Rovers players who are employed full time and either play or train every day, they have longer contracts which include holidays, pensions, and medical insurance.
Naïve? Not really, just know how non league clubs are run.
You have just confirmed you naivety. I don't understand the need to belittle a fellow Gashead ?
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