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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 27, 2015 12:09:38 GMT
The entire foreign policy of the US Govt over the past seventy years has been based on bribing foreigners. for instance? The Cold War. |
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Post by Thatslife on May 27, 2015 12:10:14 GMT
Fashionable in certain circles to hate all things American whilst ignoring the alternatives and the track record of other nations. It's so we can enjoy the freedoms we get from the blood of young American men, whilst feeling guilt free for any wrongdoing in the act of it. the US foreign policy is benign when compared to any other superpower. Obviously there are many countries who don't have the military power to have a foreign policy. Don't forget the yanks save millions of Muslims from murder in the Balkans, whilst the friendly, left leaning EU did nothing for years. Not perfect, but I'd rather live in a US dominated world than any other.   |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 27, 2015 12:11:00 GMT
Wrong Antonio. US authorities take bribery very seriously. If a company want to operate in the US, then they had better not get caught handing out (or receiving) bribes somewhere else in the world. As Rolls Royce found out when they were accused of bribery in the middle east. And weirdly, GE (RR's US competitor) didn't. |
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Post by brizzle on May 27, 2015 12:16:11 GMT
It's interesting to see our old friend Jack Walker seemingly up to his neck in it once again, and there was me thinking that he had resigned from any role in FIFA, so perhaps the investigation must have a ''long memory.'' He threatened this in a recent article . . .
Well at least it appears that he may be right about one thing, it may well be court for him as he's allegedly to be investigated for ''numerous ethical violations.'' I wonder if they'll nail the big fish Sepp Blatter anytime soon?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 27, 2015 12:19:30 GMT
Fashionable in certain circles to hate all things American whilst ignoring the alternatives and the track record of other nations. It's so we can enjoy the freedoms we get from the blood of young American men, whilst feeling guilt free for any wrongdoing in the act of it. Listen, stop ascribing motives to people you disagree with, when you don't know the first thing about them. It's nothing to do with fashion, and I'm not ignoring other countries. I'm simply talking about the US. I love the US, second only to the UK. It's just in my world, it's more important to criticise those you are on side with, in order to make them better. It's similar to a football team, would you rather talk about how s**t the Sheeds are, or talk about what Rovers might do better, and try to get them to improve? Some people tend to the former, some to the latter. We went through this yesterday. If you're gonna disagree with someone, disagree on the issues. Don't make up stuff about them, don't ascribe them motives you don't have the first clue about, don't assume they think the opposite to you about everything just coz they disagree about one thing. If you want to talk about the issue, talk about the issue. |
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Post by faggotygas on May 27, 2015 12:50:59 GMT
Presumably depends if the wiretap was obtained legally Really? Yes, of course. As I understand it, even for the FBI, to obtain a legal wiretap you have to have a court order - you have to show sufficient evidence for a high likelihood of a specific criminal activity, and for that to be agreed with by a judge. You can't just 'fish'. There are then strict rules about what you can do with the information obtained. Get caught breaking correct procedure and expect to find the evidence inadmissible, you and your organisation to be heavily sued, and probably criminal charges. Its not like in a Hollywood film.
Completely different to the press voicemail scandal, which I assume you are referring to.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 27, 2015 14:13:44 GMT
Yes, of course. As I understand it, even for the FBI, to obtain a legal wiretap you have to have a court order - you have to show sufficient evidence for a high likelihood of a specific criminal activity, and for that to be agreed with by a judge. You can't just 'fish'. There are then strict rules about what you can do with the information obtained. Get caught breaking correct procedure and expect to find the evidence inadmissible, you and your organisation to be heavily sued, and probably criminal charges. Its not like in a Hollywood film.
Completely different to the press voicemail scandal, which I assume you are referring to.
You are assuming wrongly, my comment had nothing to with phone hacking by the News of the World or the soon to be demised Daily Mail. As there aren't involved in these arrests I'm not sure why you or the other poster would asume that. |
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Post by LJG on May 27, 2015 15:06:38 GMT
Yes, of course. As I understand it, even for the FBI, to obtain a legal wiretap you have to have a court order - you have to show sufficient evidence for a high likelihood of a specific criminal activity, and for that to be agreed with by a judge. You can't just 'fish'. There are then strict rules about what you can do with the information obtained. Get caught breaking correct procedure and expect to find the evidence inadmissible, you and your organisation to be heavily sued, and probably criminal charges. Its not like in a Hollywood film.
Completely different to the press voicemail scandal, which I assume you are referring to.
You are assuming wrongly, my comment had nothing to with phone hacking by the News of the World or the soon to be demised Daily Mail. As there aren't involved in these arrests I'm not sure why you or the other poster would asume that. Soon to be demised Daily Mail? The Daily Mail is the highest profiting media outlet in the world. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on May 27, 2015 15:29:45 GMT
Fashionable in certain circles to hate all things American whilst ignoring the alternatives and the track record of other nations. It's so we can enjoy the freedoms we get from the blood of young American men, whilst feeling guilt free for any wrongdoing in the act of it. Listen, stop ascribing motives to people you disagree with, when you don't know the first thing about them. It's nothing to do with fashion, and I'm not ignoring other countries. I'm simply talking about the US. I love the US, second only to the UK. It's just in my world, it's more important to criticise those you are on side with, in order to make them better. It's similar to a football team, would you rather talk about how s*** the Sheeds are, or talk about what Rovers might do better, and try to get them to improve? Some people tend to the former, some to the latter. We went through this yesterday. If you're gonna disagree with someone, disagree on the issues. Don't make up stuff about them, don't ascribe them motives you don't have the first clue about, don't assume they think the opposite to you about everything just coz they disagree about one thing. If you want to talk about the issue, talk about the issue. Yesterday, you accused me of blaming the Liverpool fans for Hillsborough even though my post mentioned nothing whatsoever about Hillsborough. You then said I was the sort of person to believe what he reads in the papers. We are all guilty of this Antonio. |
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Post by billyocean on May 27, 2015 15:40:59 GMT
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 27, 2015 15:43:59 GMT
Listen, stop ascribing motives to people you disagree with, when you don't know the first thing about them. It's nothing to do with fashion, and I'm not ignoring other countries. I'm simply talking about the US. I love the US, second only to the UK. It's just in my world, it's more important to criticise those you are on side with, in order to make them better. It's similar to a football team, would you rather talk about how s*** the Sheeds are, or talk about what Rovers might do better, and try to get them to improve? Some people tend to the former, some to the latter. We went through this yesterday. If you're gonna disagree with someone, disagree on the issues. Don't make up stuff about them, don't ascribe them motives you don't have the first clue about, don't assume they think the opposite to you about everything just coz they disagree about one thing. If you want to talk about the issue, talk about the issue. Yesterday, you accused me of blaming the Liverpool fans for Hillsborough even though my post mentioned nothing whatsoever about Hillsborough. You then said I was the sort of person to believe what he reads in the papers. We are all guilty of this Antonio. Well, not really. I said, 'I bet you're the sort of person who believes that Liverpool fans are scum for what happened at Hillsborough' to illustrate the ridiculousness of backing British tabloids and believing everything you read in the newspapers. The implication was supposed to be that obviously no one believes that any more and therefore why would you say something like "I completely disagree with the anti hack stuff" and the other support you were giving to tabloid hackery. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on May 27, 2015 16:14:12 GMT
Yesterday, you accused me of blaming the Liverpool fans for Hillsborough even though my post mentioned nothing whatsoever about Hillsborough. You then said I was the sort of person to believe what he reads in the papers. We are all guilty of this Antonio. Well, not really. I said, 'I bet you're the sort of person who believes that Liverpool fans are scum for what happened at Hillsborough' to illustrate the ridiculousness of backing British tabloids and believing everything you read in the newspapers. The implication was supposed to be that obviously no one believes that any more and therefore why would you say something like "I completely disagree with the anti hack stuff" and the other support you were giving to tabloid hackery. Alright, but I was commenting in wider sense rather than "fargas is just following the fashion". There's a great deal of anti US sentiment from a lot of my friends which is just that, fashionable. They don't really think it through and just go on the anti US ticket as its the view of their newspaper (most of my friends are guardian and Indy), and their uni lecturer was an anti capitalist and they haven't given credit where due e.g. Bosnia. If I tarred you with that, consider yourself untarred. As I similarly wish to be untarred with the Hillsborough brush! |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on May 27, 2015 16:17:54 GMT
Well, not really. I said, 'I bet you're the sort of person who believes that Liverpool fans are scum for what happened at Hillsborough' to illustrate the ridiculousness of backing British tabloids and believing everything you read in the newspapers. The implication was supposed to be that obviously no one believes that any more and therefore why would you say something like "I completely disagree with the anti hack stuff" and the other support you were giving to tabloid hackery. Alright, but I was commenting in wider sense rather than "fargas is just following the fashion". There's a great deal of anti US sentiment from a lot of my friends which is just that, fashionable. They don't really think it through and just go on the anti US ticket as its the view of their newspaper (most of my friends are guardian and Indy), and their uni lecturer was an anti capitalist and they haven't given credit where due e.g. Bosnia. If I tarred you with that, consider yourself untarred. As I similarly wish to be untarred with the Hillsborough brush! Ok, sure. Had I realised you would be thinking I was genuinely accusing you of the Hillsborough stuff, I would have made more effort to make it clearer. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on May 27, 2015 16:20:54 GMT
Shall we do this again tomorrow? Branch out into religion. My god is better than yours? ;-)
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 27, 2015 16:24:05 GMT
Did they arrest Pele over the recent general erection?
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Post by gonzales on May 27, 2015 16:26:19 GMT
As someone who has been to Bosnia, Controversial, I don't think I nor the Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs I stayed with would agree with your sentiments. The intervention definetly saved lives, but what is fundamentally a three state solution is crippling the country nowadays and Bosnia is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. For example, one family I stayed with had two young kids, to insure a birth all goes well you have I bribe the doctor and nurses to insure you get the best possible care.
Anyway, sorry, just had to comment. I'm glad this has happened today! Hopefully the Swiss are successful in their investigation into the 2018/22 world cups aswell, cos tht really stank!
Anyone have any ideas as to how rovers and lower league football may benefit from all this?
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Post by brizzle on May 27, 2015 16:28:31 GMT
Yes, of course. As I understand it, even for the FBI, to obtain a legal wiretap you have to have a court order - you have to show sufficient evidence for a high likelihood of a specific criminal activity, and for that to be agreed with by a judge. You can't just 'fish'. There are then strict rules about what you can do with the information obtained. Get caught breaking correct procedure and expect to find the evidence inadmissible, you and your organisation to be heavily sued, and probably criminal charges. Its not like in a Hollywood film.
Completely different to the press voicemail scandal, which I assume you are referring to.
You are assuming wrongly, my comment had nothing to with phone hacking by the News of the World or the soon to be demised Daily Mail. As there aren't involved in these arrests I'm not sure why you or the other poster would asume that. You must know something that most do not. Care to share? By the way, does this also apply to the Mail on Sunday? Can things get any worse I ask?  |
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Post by badbloodash on May 27, 2015 16:48:00 GMT
As someone who has been to Bosnia, Controversial, I don't think I nor the Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs I stayed with would agree with your sentiments. The intervention definetly saved lives, but what is fundamentally a three state solution is crippling the country nowadays and Bosnia is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. For example, one family I stayed with had two young kids, to insure a birth all goes well you have I bribe the doctor and nurses to insure you get the best possible care. Anyway, sorry, just had to comment. I'm glad this has happened today! Hopefully the Swiss are successful in their investigation into the 2018/22 world cups aswell, cos tht really stank! Anyone have any ideas as to how rovers and lower league football may benefit from all this? Well Qatar are at the centre of all this and the Qatar royal family own 25% of sainsburys so maybe the yanks will invade Qatar and confiscate all the shares and pay us for the mem I have also been to Bosnia although when I was there it was still Yugoslavia and sajaveo is one of the most beautiful I have ever visited although I also went to Belgrade and that made Barton hill look like Manhattan |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on May 27, 2015 16:55:24 GMT
As someone who has been to Bosnia, Controversial, I don't think I nor the Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs I stayed with would agree with your sentiments. The intervention definetly saved lives, but what is fundamentally a three state solution is crippling the country nowadays and Bosnia is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. For example, one family I stayed with had two young kids, to insure a birth all goes well you have I bribe the doctor and nurses to insure you get the best possible care. Anyway, sorry, just had to comment. I'm glad this has happened today! Hopefully the Swiss are successful in their investigation into the 2018/22 world cups aswell, cos tht really stank! Anyone have any ideas as to how rovers and lower league football may benefit from all this? What? So they should have fought it out until a clear winner was found? How could it not work with a 3 state solution? I'm sure the more intelligent of those in each of those areas would agree the SOVIET UNION were the architects of that war, with the Ottoman empire before that. The USA at least didn't colonise the region. If you force people of different identities together regardless of their views, it ends in wars and conflict, which is why we need out of the EU. |
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Post by gonzales on May 27, 2015 17:18:43 GMT
What? So they should have fought it out until a clear winner was found? How could it not work with a 3 state solution? I'm sure the more intelligent of those in each of those areas would agree the SOVIET UNION were the architects of that war, with the Ottoman empire before that. The USA at least didn't colonise the region. If you force people of different identities together regardless of their views, it ends in wars and conflict, which is why we need out of the EU. Nope, but it was a hasty agreement which left Bosnia in a constitutional lock down with each community electing the same divisive political class, meaning nothing gets done and the electorate are powerless, especially the young who in my experience are the only generation bridging the gap. Also many would say the US was as implicit in the break up of Yugoslavia and by that time the Soviet Union was not a major player and never had been in Yugoslavia. But the main architect was Tito who selfishly died. Anyway, that's enough of that, we clearly have different views and I don't want a war between us  Apologies all those here for rovers talk. Here's a footy related photo of of two Serbs a Bosniak and an Englishman playing a funny game they invented. http://instagram.com/p/euEgUywuPo |
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