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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 9:54:18 GMT
My money would be on De Meer. The Olympic Stadium was used but only really for European games. De Meer is iconic, tiny little ground considering the size of the club. I gave the programme away years ago, I still have the match ticket but cant make it out, very frustrating! Sure it was 0-0, this is the only draw I could find between Ajax and AZ in 1975. Playoff in the Olympic Stadium www.afc-ajax.info/en/match/1975-8-20-Ajax-AZ |
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Post by irishrover on Jan 6, 2019 2:25:32 GMT
I saw an entertaining game at Paulton Rovers today which saw a 2-1 win for Bristol Manor Farm. Was quite impressed by both the standard and the atmosphere as well as the scenic backdrop (have been there before).
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Post by Rex on Jan 6, 2019 8:26:47 GMT
I gave the programme away years ago, I still have the match ticket but cant make it out, very frustrating! Sure it was 0-0, this is the only draw I could find between Ajax and AZ in 1975. Playoff in the Olympic Stadium www.afc-ajax.info/en/match/1975-8-20-Ajax-AZWas it in 74 maybe? I struggled to navigate around that site, I would be really grateful if you could look for me. I was thinking that must be the game, but I am almost 100% sure that Jan Jongbloed was in goal for Ajax and I remembered that because he played in the 74 world cup. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 11:36:54 GMT
Was it in 74 maybe? I struggled to navigate around that site, I would be really grateful if you could look for me. I was thinking that must be the game, but I am almost 100% sure that Jan Jongbloed was in goal for Ajax and I remembered that because he played in the 74 world cup. The first 0-0 between Ajax and AZ was in 2002 source. That link might help you narrow it down a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 11:48:43 GMT
Seemingly quite busy until the end of March now;
05/01 Bishops Sutton 1 - 5 Welton Rovers
12/01 Welton Rovers - Cheddar
19/01 IJsselmeervogels - Spakenburg
20/01 Ajax - Heerenveen
26/01 Greenock Morton - Dunfermline Athletic
27/01 St Mirren - Hibernian
29/01 Bristol Rovers - Peterborough United
02/02 Currently free
09/02 Bristol Rovers - Shrewsbury Town
21/02 Dynamo Kyiv - Olympiakos
TBC Arsenal Kyiv - Desna
02/03 Bristol Rovers - Blackpool
09/03 Currently free
15/03 Köln TBC
16/03 Köln TBC
17/03 Eintracht Frankfurt - Nürnberg
23/03 Currently free
30/03 Bristol Rovers - Luton Town
Couple of Saturdays that will be filled by localish fixtures in there.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 7, 2019 0:34:01 GMT
Seemingly quite busy until the end of March now; 05/01 Bishops Sutton 1 - 5 Welton Rovers 12/01 Welton Rovers - Cheddar 19/01 IJsselmeervogels - Spakenburg 20/01 Ajax - Heerenveen 26/01 Greenock Morton - Dunfermline Athletic 27/01 St Mirren - Hibernian 29/01 Bristol Rovers - Peterborough United 02/02 Currently free 09/02 Bristol Rovers - Shrewsbury Town 21/02 Dynamo Kyiv - Olympiakos TBC Arsenal Kyiv - Desna 02/03 Bristol Rovers - Blackpool 09/03 Currently free 15/03 Köln TBC 16/03 Köln TBC 17/03 Eintracht Frankfurt - Nürnberg 23/03 Currently free 30/03 Bristol Rovers - Luton Town Couple of Saturdays that will be filled by localish fixtures in there. One of my best friends now lives in a house backing onto Welton Rovers (although admittedly a football atheist) so I imagine I will be going there in the near future. Went to Paulton-Bristol Manor Farm on Saturday. Decent quality game and it's a nice setting. A bit surprised they don't have a slightly bigger support though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 10:58:14 GMT
Seemingly quite busy until the end of March now; 05/01 Bishops Sutton 1 - 5 Welton Rovers 12/01 Welton Rovers - Cheddar 19/01 IJsselmeervogels - Spakenburg 20/01 Ajax - Heerenveen 26/01 Greenock Morton - Dunfermline Athletic 27/01 St Mirren - Hibernian 29/01 Bristol Rovers - Peterborough United 02/02 Currently free 09/02 Bristol Rovers - Shrewsbury Town 21/02 Dynamo Kyiv - Olympiakos TBC Arsenal Kyiv - Desna 02/03 Bristol Rovers - Blackpool 09/03 Currently free 15/03 Köln TBC 16/03 Köln TBC 17/03 Eintracht Frankfurt - Nürnberg 23/03 Currently free 30/03 Bristol Rovers - Luton Town Couple of Saturdays that will be filled by localish fixtures in there. One of my best friends now lives in a house backing onto Welton Rovers (although admittedly a football atheist) so I imagine I will be going there in the near future. Went to Paulton-Bristol Manor Farm on Saturday. Decent quality game and it's a nice setting. A bit surprised they don't have a slightly bigger support though. Paulton did themselves a bit of a mischief with the FA Cup money from when they played Norwich. There wasn't really the investment in the club (bar aside) and they pushed massively for promotion. Andy Jones who was manager at the time was also putting in part of the budget. Paulton bottled promotion, Jones left for Bath and when they put a squad together that won promotion in 2013/14 they lasted two seasons in the Southern Prem finishing rock bottom in their second. Welton seem to be the club the population of Norton are attracted too, they've been in the Western League since 1904, hold the record for the most wins, but know their place within the "natural order". The club is steeped in tradition and their shirt is pretty bloody good...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 16:13:22 GMT
In a rather disappointing turn of events Dynamo Kyiv vs Olympiakos has been horribly priced with the cheapest seats being £1.40 and most expensive £14.00. Don't know if I can afford to go now...
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Post by Rex on Jan 8, 2019 19:03:42 GMT
Re Welton & Paulton.
I went to Welton once years ago, me and a mate went to Yeovil (at the old Huish ground) but it was called off as we got there, annoyingly I never did get to go there again, but we managed to get back to Welton in time for a match against Tiverton, who brought a fair few, pretty vocal, supporters with them. I never went there again despite a couple of mates playing for them and my mum moving right by the ground a few years later.
Mum moving there helped me get tickets to my only ever visit to Paulton Rovers. It was the Norwich FA Cup game and tickets were sold to 'locals' who could prove they were from the area by bringing a utility bill with them when buying a ticket, so mum's gas bill helped me out!
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Post by irishrover on Jan 9, 2019 19:02:47 GMT
One of my best friends now lives in a house backing onto Welton Rovers (although admittedly a football atheist) so I imagine I will be going there in the near future. Went to Paulton-Bristol Manor Farm on Saturday. Decent quality game and it's a nice setting. A bit surprised they don't have a slightly bigger support though. Paulton did themselves a bit of a mischief with the FA Cup money from when they played Norwich. There wasn't really the investment in the club (bar aside) and they pushed massively for promotion. Andy Jones who was manager at the time was also putting in part of the budget. Paulton bottled promotion, Jones left for Bath and when they put a squad together that won promotion in 2013/14 they lasted two seasons in the Southern Prem finishing rock bottom in their second. Welton seem to be the club the population of Norton are attracted too, they've been in the Western League since 1904, hold the record for the most wins, but know their place within the "natural order". The club is steeped in tradition and their shirt is pretty bloody good...
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To be honest there's no particular reason why Paulton should have a Southern League team - it's a small place after all. There probably wasn't any chance of sustainability at Southern Prem level - I guess you could understand why they'd give it a crack though. To be fair their clubhouse is nice (probably nicer than any of the pubs in the village) and acts as a real hub for the place so investing in that seems reasonable. They look destined to drift back to Western League football and that also seems reasonable. I think that area as a whole could probably support a Southern League team though if you take into account Norton, Radstock and Paulton plus assorted smaller villages. That's a decent population centre and the Bristol/North Somerset area is probably a bit under-represented at that level generally. Although maybe my views are skewed by the ludicrous over representation of Greater Manchester, where I live, at the equivalent level. I mean I could name a dozen or more clubs in the upper echelons of non-league that are within 12 miles of my house and probably getting on for 30 clubs within 30 miles! We're a bit spoiled here in that respect. Nearly all the clubs have long and pretty storied histories too - makes you realise the North West really was the centre of the football universe at one stage. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 14, 2019 6:37:56 GMT
Linked to what others have been saying about the local Somerset football scene it seems to have been revolutionised since the mid 60s. At that time Welton Rovers under Arnold Rodgers (?) won several Western League Championships and we’re the team to beat. Glastonbury, Taunton and Minehead were all teams on a par at that time. Lots of local Derby’s to watch in Taunton at that time and perhaps not thriving but certainly an interesting time to watch local football. I remember seeing Minehead play a league team at Irnham Road, can’t rememebr who and of course Minehead actually beat Swansea at the Vetch around 72. Yet to see the local leagues now Minehead and Glastonbury have all but disappeared and are only at the Somerset County League regional level. Yet teams like Bishops Lydeard, Paulton have done really well. The former are now Western League yet were Taunton Saturday League in the 60s whilst Paulton were Somerset League so despite recent struggles have done well. Looking through the Western League tables recently I could only identify one or two clubs who were in the Western League when I was watching in the 60s. And further afield Trowbridge Town made the Conference for a season before dropping like a stone. Are they in the Wiltshire League now?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 9:27:31 GMT
Linked to what others have been saying about the local Somerset football scene it seems to have been revolutionised since the mid 60s. At that time Welton Rovers under Arnold Rodgers (?) won several Western League Championships and we’re the team to beat. Glastonbury, Taunton and Minehead were all teams on a par at that time. Lots of local Derby’s to watch in Taunton at that time and perhaps not thriving but certainly an interesting time to watch local football. I remember seeing Minehead play a league team at Irnham Road, can’t rememebr who and of course Minehead actually beat Swansea at the Vetch around 72. Yet to see the local leagues now Minehead and Glastonbury have all but disappeared and are only at the Somerset County League regional level. Yet teams like Bishops Lydeard, Paulton have done really well. The former are now Western League yet were Taunton Saturday League in the 60s whilst Paulton were Somerset League so despite recent struggles have done well. Looking through the Western League tables recently I could only identify one or two clubs who were in the Western League when I was watching in the 60s. And further afield Trowbridge Town made the Conference for a season before dropping like a stone. Are they in the Wiltshire League now? Trowbridge actually went bust in the 1990's and reformed, they're now in the Wiltshire League. I saw them in the Hellenic League against Tytherington Rocks maybe about 8 years ago. Rocks put 9 past them that day and Trowbridge were relegated at the end of the season. In the last 25 years semi-pro football has changed drastically, players now willing to move about, able to make some money from commuting quite a distance. That's led to the fall in Non-League Dynasties. Where as like you said Welton for example could put out a team of local boys that enjoyed playing with each other and were good players, they would now be poached. The trail in Somerset especially is quite obvious (Welton, Bradford, Larkhall, Bath City). It's a shame because the clubs that produce/pluck good players from nowhere often end up only having them for 6-12 months before the 7 day approaches and more lucrative offers come in. Obviously it's a problem in pro-football but the turnover of players in NL is mental. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 14, 2019 10:29:37 GMT
Yes. The change as you say has transformed local football. I guess it’s similar in a way to how newer clubs in the EFL and PL are able to compete despite having relatively small grounds and gates, Burton and Fleetwood come to mind. Depending on how you view it, it is either a very good thing or not. I guess if you are on the way up you see it as a good thing if you are not it might be some5hing different.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 10:31:34 GMT
So rather stupidly after the Spakenburg Derby I'll be hopping on a train and heading to Groningen vs Heracles. A cheeky little Eredivisie tick.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 10:36:30 GMT
Yes. The change as you say has transformed local football. I guess it’s similar in a way to how newer clubs in the EFL and PL are able to compete despite having relatively small grounds and gates, Burton and Fleetwood come to mind. Depending on how you view it, it is either a very good thing or not. I guess if you are on the way up you see it as a good thing if you are not it might be some5hing different. UTG! Clubs now have to go hard when the going is good, Melksham are an example of that. New stadium, good Vase run, a promotion and now looking steady in the Southern League. I think they'll look to push on again next season with a bit of investment. The new ground has obviously been a massive bonus and did fall in their lap, but the things they're doing off the field now are really pushing them forward. It's mad that Rovers could learn from a club like Melksham, but they really could. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 14, 2019 10:53:14 GMT
Yes. The change as you say has transformed local football. I guess it’s similar in a way to how newer clubs in the EFL and PL are able to compete despite having relatively small grounds and gates, Burton and Fleetwood come to mind. Depending on how you view it, it is either a very good thing or not. I guess if you are on the way up you see it as a good thing if you are not it might be some5hing different. UTG! Clubs now have to go hard when the going is good, Melksham are an example of that. New stadium, good Vase run, a promotion and now looking steady in the Southern League. I think they'll look to push on again next season with a bit of investment. The new ground has obviously been a massive bonus and did fall in their lap, but the things they're doing off the field now are really pushing them forward. It's mad that Rovers could learn from a club like Melksham, but they really could. Yes, sure you’re right. AFC Fylde in the Conference is a good example of a club winning the Vase using the money well and continuing to grow. Taunton and Tiverton both used their Vase runs to good effect. With Taunton although the Vase runs were some time ago they did use the money and publicity to strengthen the club. UTG! |
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Post by irishrover on Jan 15, 2019 1:14:32 GMT
Just to say that was a really interesting conversations about the long term development of Non-League Football in the Westcountry. Thankyou I learned a lot there.
I had no idea Glastonbury had such a non-league football heritage. Wareham - you might be interested to know (if you don't already) that Glastonbury's Cricket Club basically folded at the start of last season. This was quite shocking to me as they were in WEPL 2 at the time (so that would be the 2nd strongest league in the Westcountry) and have been one of the stronger clubs in the area for the last 15 years. In fact they caused quite a lot of bitterness among smaller clubs because Somerset would often encourage promising young players to move there and Somerset players often went there when out of form or recovering from injury so they were perceived as a 'favoured club' in much the same way Bath and Weston Super-Mare have been in the past. In the late 2000s they often had ridiculous lineups that could feature 3 or 4 of the following; Wes Durston, Carl Gazzard, Jos Buttler, Craig Kieswetter, James Hildreth plus whoever they were paying as an overseas pro and often a few ex-county players too such. I think Paul Jarvis played there for a bit. In addition they had a strong youth section and were putting out 4/5 XI's on a Saturday. So to go from that to basically folding (although they still have some kind of youth section judging by Twitter) is absolutely shocking. I've not been able to find out what went wrong but it must have been pretty dramatic as it seemed to occur more or less overnight and I'm amazed more local cricket people aren't more interested because it's bloody concerning - sometimes there's a bit of an 'I'm alright Jack' mentality that fails to appreciate that a club like that folding is bad news for everyone and a bad sign for the game. If you know what happened from hanging around Taunton please do let me know. It's interesting to me that their Football club also suffered a big decline at some point though.
Chewie - do you think non-league football is damaged by this massive player turnover in other ways? I wonder if it has some effect on attendances. Just from going to watch FC United so regularly the turnover of players in a season is ridiculous. I go largely for the excellent craic there and because my mates go so I don't really care that much but I think I'd find it hard to truly emotionally invest in most clubs where players never seem to be there longer than 6 months except in exceptional circumstances and there seemed no real connection between player and club. Or am I reading too much into that?
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 15, 2019 3:14:43 GMT
Sorry irish I was unaware of Glastonbury CC going under I know a bit about the village cricket scene through playing a long time ago and the Taunton Saturday and Sunday leagues in football through playing. I saw Glastonbury play Taunton several times and they had a great centre forward called Taylor who scored loads of goals but since the 70s it’s been a gradual decline which is sad. Looks like Street have overtaken them. Regarding cricket, Somerset have always let their players play club cricket and I know Taunton Deane, Taunton and Weston have called on many of the players last season. I wasn’t aware that Glastonbury had such a heritage for cricket though. My cricket esxperience was as I said village cricket mainly in west and south Somerset. But thanks for the information, very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 9:57:57 GMT
Chewie - do you think non-league football is damaged by this massive player turnover in other ways? I wonder if it has some effect on attendances. Just from going to watch FC United so regularly the turnover of players in a season is ridiculous. I go largely for the excellent craic there and because my mates go so I don't really care that much but I think I'd find it hard to truly emotionally invest in most clubs where players never seem to be there longer than 6 months except in exceptional circumstances and there seemed no real connection between player and club. Or am I reading too much into that?
I have to say I've had a look and can't find any stats to back this up, but I certainly think the last decade attendances have shot up. This is down to a number of things, disillusion with the professional game, price, locality and the rise of groundhopping.
- Disillusion. Be this setting up a whole new club in the style of FCUM or local clubs picking up 5-10 more supporters because people have got pissed off with the way top level football has become. People are fed up with propping up clubs that don't and won't listen to their supporters. That said, they don't want to lose their Saturday football.
-Price. Similar to disillusion price is a big factor. A game of football is not like going to the cinema, prior to going to the cinema you can read reviews and get an understanding of the quality of the film. This simply isn't the case with football. You could spend £10,000 on World Cup Final tickets and it be an incredibly bland game, then go watch your local non-league team for a fiver and see a bonkers 5-5 draw. You pay for the standard of player, not the standard of game. With no cap currently on away prices in the Championship, supporters are being squeezed most in the second tier.
-Locality. If a team is on your doorstep, you're more likely to pop out for a couple of hours on a Saturday to watch them, have a few pints and make an afternoon of it. It's quite a simple outlook, but clubs with a big captive audience and the right approach to their local community have seen marked rises in attendances. Reduced ticket prices can always be made up in the bar.
-Groundhopping. When I first started about a decade ago, it was a bit of an oddity. Now thousands are travelling up and down the country trying to get ticks. Advances like the Groundhopper App, Non-League Matters and even locally Bristol Soccerworld have made it easier to get the information that a decade ago was hard to come across.
I think hardcore support of non-league clubs hasn't really changed apart from a couple of exceptions (The likes of Dulwich, West Chorlton & Didsbury etc) but clubs have picked up more fair-weather supporters. For them I don't think the turnover of players really matters because it's not their club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 12:35:47 GMT
So rather stupidly after the Spakenburg Derby I'll be hopping on a train and heading to Groningen vs Heracles. A cheeky little Eredivisie tick. Ok so I've done the maths and with a little help from my friend Ben, this is how this weekend is looking;
Saturday:
12:00 SV Spakenburg 2 vs DVVA csv. 2
15:00 IJsselmeervogels vs SV Spakenburg
20:45 Groningen vs Heracles
Sunday:
14:00 Zeeburgia 1 (zon) vs Legmeervogels 1 (zon)
16:45 Ajax vs Heerenveen
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