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Post by Gastafari on Jan 20, 2015 0:48:31 GMT
Also Luton have been in the top flight granted, but they've also spent more time in Non League than we have
Just being in top flight shouldn't automatically make you a bigger club
It should be measured on a host of things throughout a clubs history
Sorry if I have gatecrashed this thread by going off topic
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 20, 2015 0:51:10 GMT
Are they? So Bury must be a bigger club than West Ham then? Wimbledon didn't enter the Football League until 1977, their rise to the top flight was phenomenal and to win an FA Cup even more impressive, but a bigger club than Bristol Rovers? Not having it Likewise Oxford, they didnt enter the Football League until 1962, so yes like Wimbledon managed to get to the top tier, but they've also spent far more of their history in Non League, so historically they have not been more succesful Again Wigan didn't join the Football League until 1978,and Dave Whelan's cash helped them win a few promotions in a short space of time but they are nowhere near being as big a club as Bristol Rovers Bristol Rovers are a small club playing in a big city. You are getting the two confused. I didn't say Rovers are a big club! Im not getting anything confused
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Post by bs5 on Jan 20, 2015 0:55:43 GMT
I'm not sure anyone's to blame. Rovers didn't want to insist on all ticket status because they knew we'd take way over the inital 600 allocation and there would have been a race against time to get the rest sold at the shop/Mem. Woking's away end holds 1600 and we hadn't taken over 1200 anywhere all season. Is there any reason why Woking couldn't have made itnall ticket and given us 1500 tickets to sell from the off? Forest green?
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Post by bs5 on Jan 20, 2015 1:02:17 GMT
Bigger club = more fans
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 20, 2015 1:22:36 GMT
Factors should include average attendance historically, record attendance, promotions, relegations, etc, to determine club size
It shouldn't just be based on whether a club has reached the top flight or not
Some clubs have reached the top flight over the last 25 years through the Play Off's,Swindon,etc had Play Off been around in the 50's then theres every chance Rovers could of won promotion to the top tier
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Post by strung out on Jan 20, 2015 8:54:20 GMT
Factors should include average attendance historically, record attendance, promotions, relegations, etc, to determine club size It shouldn't just be based on whether a club has reached the top flight or not Some clubs have reached the top flight over the last 25 years through the Play Off's,Swindon,etc had Play Off been around in the 50's then theres every chance Rovers could of won promotion to the top tier They've all been in the top division in the last 30 years, all won major trophies in the last 30, all have higher average attendances over the last few years, all are in higher divisions than us, all have more post-war league promotions than us, all have been league champions more times than us. It's a silly argument, but I don't see that we're a bigger club than any of those except on a very narrow set of criteria that particularly favours us. More potential, quite possibly, but potential doesn't make you a big club.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 20, 2015 9:18:59 GMT
Factors should include average attendance historically, record attendance, promotions, relegations, etc, to determine club size It shouldn't just be based on whether a club has reached the top flight or not Some clubs have reached the top flight over the last 25 years through the Play Off's,Swindon,etc had Play Off been around in the 50's then theres every chance Rovers could of won promotion to the top tier They've all been in the top division in the last 30 years, all won major trophies in the last 30, all have higher average attendances over the last few years, all are in higher divisions than us, all have more post-war league promotions than us, all have been league champions more times than us. It's a silly argument, but I don't see that we're a bigger club than any of those except on a very narrow set of criteria that particularly favours us. More potential, quite possibly, but potential doesn't make you a big club. All your criteria except one involve success on the pitch. I think we can agree that they're all more successful than us. I don't see the point in discussing size of club specifically unless you are going to differentiate it from success. Otherwise you should just call it success. Size, to me, is more about fanbase, attendance, and revenue: potential and actual.
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Post by gasparilla on Jan 23, 2015 9:44:46 GMT
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jan 23, 2015 11:19:21 GMT
Whereas Bristol City are a MASSIVE club playing in a big city....or am I getting confused as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 13:17:24 GMT
I'm not sure anyone's to blame. Rovers didn't want to insist on all ticket status because they knew we'd take way over the inital 600 allocation and there would have been a race against time to get the rest sold at the shop/Mem. Woking's away end holds 1600 and we hadn't taken over 1200 anywhere all season. Is there any reason why Woking couldn't have made itnall ticket and given us 1500 tickets to sell from the off? Forest green? And Aldershot. And was just 55 short of 1200 at Torquay.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 18:26:37 GMT
Whereas Bristol City are a MASSIVE club playing in a big city....or am I getting confused as well? I never mentioned them as this is a Rovers forum but seeing as you asked, they are a slightly bigger club playing in the same big City.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jan 23, 2015 21:03:12 GMT
There are times when I wish I wasn't associated with our club when we have idiots like these as so called 'supporters' !
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Post by intheknow on Jan 23, 2015 21:16:58 GMT
There are times when I wish I wasn't associated with our club when we have idiots like these as so called 'supporters' ! There's no point in crying over spilt milk
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Post by Bridgeman on Jan 23, 2015 21:18:44 GMT
There are times when I wish I wasn't associated with our club when we have idiots like these as so called 'supporters' ! There's no point in crying over spilt milk
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Post by bs5 on Jan 23, 2015 23:57:23 GMT
There are times when I wish I wasn't associated with our club when we have idiots like these as so called 'supporters' ! You'd do well to know the full facts before slating our fans off and accusing them of being "idiots and so called 'supporters' " , I was there and witnessed what had happened and things have been blown out of all proportion , for a start there was no glass thrown it was accidentally knocked off the bar , the woman behind the bar had to be the most rudest and obnoxious person you could ever meet who made a mountain out of a molehill with the whole situation , she instigated the police presence with finger pointing with accusations of glass throwing etc , the police rather over zealously manhandled the suspect and he lifted his hands in a hands up sort of move and then accused him of assault which if it wasn't so unfortunate for the individual it would be laughable . It really annoys me when people make accusations about being 'so called fans' without being furnished with the full facts , the person in qusetion is over 50 and has been following Rovers for 40 years yet he's deemed to be a so called supporter . Maybe in future exercise caution before thinking about becoming Judge , jury and executioner mate.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jan 24, 2015 0:29:40 GMT
There are times when I wish I wasn't associated with our club when we have idiots like these as so called 'supporters' ! You'd do well to know the full facts before slating our fans off and accusing them of being "idiots and so called 'supporters' " , I was there and witnessed what had happened and things have been blown out of all proportion , for a start there was no glass thrown it was accidentally knocked off the bar , the woman behind the bar had to be the most rudest and obnoxious person you could ever meet who made a mountain out of a molehill with the whole situation , she instigated the police presence with finger pointing with accusations of glass throwing etc , the police rather over zealously manhandled the suspect and he lifted his hands in a hands up sort of move and then accused him of assault which if it wasn't so unfortunate for the individual it would be laughable . It really annoys me when people make accusations about being 'so called fans' without being furnished with the full facts , the person in qusetion is over 50 and has been following Rovers for 40 years yet he's deemed to be a so called supporter . Maybe in future exercise caution before thinking about becoming Judge , jury and executioner mate. Well your story of events obviously conflicts with that related in the newspaper so I bow to your on the spot report. What caused the inclusion of the story about the cartons of milk being thrown or is that just another misrepresentation of what happened ? Ps....really sorry you didn't get to watch the game after travelling all that distance.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 11:34:06 GMT
I rarely see the need to believe anything I read in the press, let alone local rags
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Post by bs5 on Jan 24, 2015 12:51:07 GMT
You'd do well to know the full facts before slating our fans off and accusing them of being "idiots and so called 'supporters' " , I was there and witnessed what had happened and things have been blown out of all proportion , for a start there was no glass thrown it was accidentally knocked off the bar , the woman behind the bar had to be the most rudest and obnoxious person you could ever meet who made a mountain out of a molehill with the whole situation , she instigated the police presence with finger pointing with accusations of glass throwing etc , the police rather over zealously manhandled the suspect and he lifted his hands in a hands up sort of move and then accused him of assault which if it wasn't so unfortunate for the individual it would be laughable . It really annoys me when people make accusations about being 'so called fans' without being furnished with the full facts , the person in qusetion is over 50 and has been following Rovers for 40 years yet he's deemed to be a so called supporter . Maybe in future exercise caution before thinking about becoming Judge , jury and executioner mate. Well your story of events obviously conflicts with that related in the newspaper so I bow to your on the spot report. What caused the inclusion of the story about the cartons of milk being thrown or is that just another misrepresentation of what happened ? Ps....really sorry you didn't get to watch the game after travelling all that distance..... Ok fella , can't comment on any milk being thrown but more than likely something the old girl behind bar over exaggerated , she really was an oddball, when we went in one of the chaps I was with ( North enclosure ) was getting the round when he asked for another pint on top of the order and she went off at the deep end totally uncalled for. Other than that incident and not gaining entry we still had a top day out with top lads including our Millwall guest , the rest of the day had a touch of the hangovers about it in regards to all 5 getting lost at various locations across southern England but that's another story for another day as they say ;-)
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