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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 19, 2015 14:11:04 GMT
I'm not sure anyone's to blame. Rovers didn't want to insist on all ticket status because they knew we'd take way over 600. Woking's away end holds 1600 and we hadn't taken over 1200 anywhere all season. Yeah, I think everyone was being reasonable. The best way, which seems to have been impossible for unknown reasons, was simply to make the whole away allocation (c.1800) all-ticket. No idea why they couldn't do that, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 14:12:53 GMT
Its all very strange when last year Luton took 2000 Do they think Luton are a bigger club than us..
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 19, 2015 14:18:40 GMT
Its all very strange when last year Luton took 2000 Do they think Luton are a bigger club than us.. It looks like (if this is the right match) that there wasn't 2000 in the ground for that fixture: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24122091
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 14:19:19 GMT
It's the fault of all the other clubs in the division telling porkies about our away following.
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Post by strung out on Jan 19, 2015 14:22:24 GMT
Surely its our fans' fault for turning up?
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 19, 2015 14:32:32 GMT
Its all very strange when last year Luton took 2000 Do they think Luton are a bigger club than us.. Luton probably are a bigger club than us!
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Post by strung out on Jan 19, 2015 14:51:32 GMT
Its all very strange when last year Luton took 2000 Do they think Luton are a bigger club than us.. Luton probably are a bigger club than us! They are - league cup winners, FA cup runners up, second division champions, and they hold the record for most goals scored in one match by a single player, Joe Payne scoring 10 goals in a 12-0 victory vs Bristol Rovers.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 19, 2015 14:57:44 GMT
The success achieved on the pitch by Darrell Clarke’s side this season is being recognised by an increasing number of the club’s supporters. The number of those who are prepared to travel to away games to back their side seems to be taking some Vanarama Conference sides by surprise and that was certainly the case on Saturday when over 2,000 of you made the trip to the Kingfield Stadium to see our game against Woking. It was a truly magnificent turnout for an away fixture at this level, and the backing you gave the players was outstanding and very much appreciated. Unfortunately, as many as 200 of you were unable to gain admittance to the ground and we sincerely regret that was the case and have been investigating the reasoning behind the decision to leave so many of you standing outside once the game had kicked off. Senior staff at the club have been in discussion with Woking officials this morning and they have confirmed that at no time did Bristol Rovers refuse to sell tickets for this match and have issued the following statement on their official website. Woking Official Statement: "Last November, when planning the above fixture, there was a misunderstanding between Woking and Bristol Rovers and, consequently, the Club decided to plan ahead for this fixture, working closely together with the police and the Club’s Safety Officer. The Club wish to make it clear that Bristol Rovers did not refuse its request to sell tickets. The advice and intelligence reports were to expect approximately 1600 to 1700 Bristol Rovers fans to attend the game and the Club’s planning was based on these figures. Due to the configuration of Kingfield Stadium, the maximum number of away fans the Club can accommodate is 1900, which is written into the Club’s safety certificate. When the number of away fans reached 1,869, the Club’s Safety Officer and police took the decision that the gates were to be closed and, regrettably, a number of Bristol Rovers supporters were unable to gain entry to the game. Other parts of the ground were not filled to capacity, but the Club’s safety certificate forbids the mixing of home and away supporters when the game is designated to be a segregated game and, reluctantly, therefore, the Club could not allow the excess fans to enter the ground under any circumstances. The Club wish to apologise to the Bristol Rovers fans who were unable to see the game, but wish to stress that it must also abide by its safety certificate." Contrary to reports that appeared in this morning’s newspaper, the capacity for away fans would not have been reduced to 600 if the game had been made all ticket as the away capacity for Kingfield is 1,900 and the official away attendance given by Woking for Saturday’s match was 1,869. We fully understand the frustration felt by those supporters who traveled to the game and were unable to gain admittance but regret that the situation was beyond our control. Read more at www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/article/woking-ticket-statement-2213868.aspx#0xL0iqZjbyFAXFIY.99
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 19, 2015 15:02:54 GMT
So Woking thought 1700 may come, and could fit them all in.
No need for either side to consider all ticket status.
2100 or so turn up - Woking did the right thing and Rovers aren't to blame either.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 19, 2015 15:11:58 GMT
Funny that they seem to have been allowed to have 1900 in the away areas but it seems like they couldn't physically fit that number in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 15:21:22 GMT
So at least we got our bit right, no blame this end then ! That will upset a few on here then
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Post by GasMacc1 on Jan 19, 2015 15:23:39 GMT
If your advice and intelligence and reports suggest a crowd of approximately 1600-1700, then a mere 12% above that estimate would cause a problem. Woking really should have anticipated that eventuality, and come up with a better solution than just turning visitors away.
At least no-one got hurt. But is that the best we can say for Woking?
Massive credit is due to the 200 for their behaviour in the face of Woking's mis-management of the event.
"The Club [Woking] wish to apologise to the Bristol Rovers fans who were unable to see the game..."
It would be nice of Woking to back up that apology with some sort of gesture...like beating Barnet (A) and Grimsby (H).
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Post by Bordeaux Gas on Jan 19, 2015 15:42:56 GMT
If your advice and intelligence and reports suggest a crowd of approximately 1600-1700, then a mere 12% above that estimate would cause a problem. Woking really should have anticipated that eventuality, and come up with a better solution than just turning visitors away. At least no-one got hurt. But is that the best we can say for Woking? Massive credit is due to the 200 for their behaviour in the face of Woking's mis-management of the event. "The Club [Woking] wish to apologise to the Bristol Rovers fans who were unable to see the game..." It would be nice of Woking to back up that apology with some sort of gesture...like beating Barnet (A) and Grimsby (H). Well said, but the article states that should segregation apply, on safety grounds they just couldn't accommodate anymore visiting fans. Therefore there wasn't an alternative solution available. The reality is that they screwed up the planning of the match, and should have at least revisited it when Rovers were knocked out of the FA Trophy, thereby not having a game for 2 weeks either side. I suspect this is where our lot could have, and should have been more vocal in warning Woking of the potential risk. Bizarrely in the hospitality area before the game, Nicky Granger (Woking's Commercial Director and Hospitality host) announced that they were expecting a crowd of 4,000. He forecasted correctly as they certainly got that if you add the lock out numbers. What they didn't expect was that over 50% would be visiting fans. As said, just incredibly poor planning that was totally avoidable, and I suspect Woking feel that we could have been more vocal about it by forewarning them of all the chatter of a 2k following in the weeks leading up to it (due to a lack of games this month). And they are probably right to feel that way.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jan 19, 2015 21:49:04 GMT
In fairness to Woking if their safety certificate only allows a maximum of 1900 away fans in their ground which has a maximum capacity of 6,000 then it doesn't matter what preparation they make that is the maximum they are allowed by law to let in and all they would have prepared for. So even if they knew 40,000 were going to turn up they wouldn't be allowed to let in anymore than 1,900.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 19, 2015 22:51:40 GMT
Luton probably are a bigger club than us! They are - league cup winners, FA cup runners up, second division champions, and they hold the record for most goals scored in one match by a single player, Joe Payne scoring 10 goals in a 12-0 victory vs Bristol Rovers. Are Oxford, Wimbledon and Wigan bigger clubs than Rovers too?
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Post by strung out on Jan 19, 2015 23:05:32 GMT
Of course they are, they've won plenty of trophies and are much more successful both historically and currently.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jan 19, 2015 23:13:40 GMT
They are - league cup winners, FA cup runners up, second division champions, and they hold the record for most goals scored in one match by a single player, Joe Payne scoring 10 goals in a 12-0 victory vs Bristol Rovers. Are Oxford, Wimbledon and Wigan bigger clubs than Rovers too? Depends on what your opinion of big is, I mean we've never played in the top league like those three have or ever won the League or FA Cup. If you don't consider them to be bigger than us, they can all claim to have a more successful history than us at the very least.
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Post by ComptonDandoGas on Jan 19, 2015 23:49:52 GMT
In fairness to Woking if their safety certificate only allows a maximum of 1900 away fans in their ground which has a maximum capacity of 6,000 then it doesn't matter what preparation they make that is the maximum they are allowed by law to let in and all they would have prepared for. So even if they knew 40,000 were going to turn up they wouldn't be allowed to let in anymore than 1,900. as far as i can tell, this is the most relevant point. as frustrating as it was to see empty areas of ground with gas left outside (and obviously even more so to those fans), no club official in this day and age is going to risk their "certificate" are they., no matter what we may feel about it, and whatever "common sense" solutions might seem obvious to us
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 20, 2015 0:38:04 GMT
Of course they are, they've won plenty of trophies and are much more successful both historically and currently. Are they? So Bury must be a bigger club than West Ham then? Wimbledon didn't enter the Football League until 1977, their rise to the top flight was phenomenal and to win an FA Cup even more impressive, but a bigger club than Bristol Rovers? Not having it Likewise Oxford, they didnt enter the Football League until 1962, so yes like Wimbledon managed to get to the top tier, but they've also spent far more of their history in Non League, so historically they have not been more succesful Again Wigan didn't join the Football League until 1978,and Dave Whelan's cash helped them win a few promotions in a short space of time but they are nowhere near being as big a club as Bristol Rovers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 0:47:27 GMT
Of course they are, they've won plenty of trophies and are much more successful both historically and currently. Are they? So Bury must be a bigger club than West Ham then? Wimbledon didn't enter the Football League until 1977, their rise to the top flight was phenomenal and to win an FA Cup even more impressive, but a bigger club than Bristol Rovers? Not having it Likewise Oxford, they didnt enter the Football League until 1962, so yes like Wimbledon managed to get to the top tier, but they've also spent far more of their history in Non League, so historically they have not been more succesful Again Wigan didn't join the Football League until 1978,and Dave Whelan's cash helped them win a few promotions in a short space of time but they are nowhere near being as big a club as Bristol Rovers Bristol Rovers are a small club playing in a big city. You are getting the two confused.
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