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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 5, 2015 17:31:03 GMT
Padstow, who have you been passing stuff on to at Rovers recently?
I believe Chris Jelf is the go to man for the playing side of things, however I can neither confirm or deny the rumours that he isn't about that much
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 6, 2015 13:27:46 GMT
The idea that only certain posters on this messageboard know about certain players, and therefore clubs are spying on the forum, is laughable.
As for Wes, I wish him well, but his opinions on the serious stuff forum bordered on insane at times. Not an excuse for abuse by any means but surely a reason why arguments get a bit heated.
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Post by Isaac Hunt on Jan 6, 2015 21:35:25 GMT
Swindon interest in Paterson not serious. Bennett possibly on move though...higher than us...
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 6, 2015 22:14:13 GMT
sad to say but it's this sort of thread that discourages people from coming on this forum more.
The whole premise is pretty negative and going over old ground, again. Not sure what it has to do with aforum. Surely this is a matter between the club and anyone interesting in working for, or volunteering for, the club.
Football is an ENORMOUS business / hobby / interest. There is very little exclusive knowledge in football anymore. That means you have to work/talk with others, and accept that not everyone is going to be as interested in your speciality, or your opinion, as you are.
A lot of these promising players are known by people, but most clubs don;t have the resources, money or space to take any of them or even look seriously at them. here's a really simple example. I don't have much time or knowledge to unearth (relatively) 'undiscovered' young players. However I could, or someone from a higher division club could, simply have a look at the England C squad and immediately find 2 dozen young promising players, all playing at 5th and 6th tier level and probably earning a pittance. BUT anyone who has put in a bit of time will already know about them and they may no longer be much of a bargain anyway. It's all relative anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 22:59:46 GMT
sad to say but it's this sort of thread that discourages people from coming on this forum more. The whole premise is pretty negative and going over old ground, again. Not sure what it has to do with aforum. Surely this is a matter between the club and anyone interesting in working for, or volunteering for, the club. It's tedious tbh. Same characters who've been grinding the same axes for years. Dull dull dull. I actually really don't care whether someone thinks the club haven't followed up their recommendations, especially not when we seem to have assembled a decent side for the wage outlay. Boring boring boring
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 23:17:12 GMT
sad to say but it's this sort of thread that discourages people from coming on this forum more. The whole premise is pretty negative and going over old ground, again. Not sure what it has to do with aforum. Surely this is a matter between the club and anyone interesting in working for, or volunteering for, the club. It's tedious tbh. Same characters who've been grinding the same axes for years. Dull dull dull. I actually really don't care whether someone thinks the club haven't followed up their recommendations, especially not when we seem to have assembled a decent side for the wage outlay. Boring boring boring I think you are so WRONG! same characters! you could not be further from the truth! It takes a time to work out who a forum member is, I am lost for words tonight and seriously thinking about just saying sod it. Why oh why do some of you want to drive of fellow gasheads? Yes things need to change but do we really have to keep having a go at each other?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 23:26:01 GMT
Really? Because I've actually stopped bothering in the past due to exactly what I just described. I may well give up again if the same old people continue their boring little vendettas against each other.
I actually have no idea why you're having a go at me here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 23:37:22 GMT
I am not having a go at anybody, but I have no idea what you mean by boring little vendettas. All I read was people commenting about players that they had recommended, oh by the way I recommended players as well.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 6, 2015 23:53:04 GMT
Really? Because I've actually stopped bothering in the past due to exactly what I just described. I may well give up again if the same old people continue their boring little vendettas against each other. I actually have no idea why you're having a go at me here. But others might find Padstow's views interesting especially has he has played at a professional level and is employed as a scout by a professional club. Last season he scolded me for criticising the board but we didn't fall out about it. It would be dull and boring if we were all forced to share the same point of view and were prevented from expressing opinions which went against those of the majority. The bigger picture is about whether we are supporting a team or a club. If it is a club then IMO there is a big benefit in making sure fans feel valued and appreciated rather than making them feel they just have a duty to turn up and cheer on the team but at all other times their opinions are not wanted. A quick but sensible response to Padstow or anyone else is all that is needed and in my experience most successful businesses make sure they do this not just because it's a responsibility but because it makes good commercial sense as well. It's an old cliche but it's true - courtesy costs nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 23:53:29 GMT
Right you are
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Post by irishrover on Jan 7, 2015 0:08:20 GMT
Really? Because I've actually stopped bothering in the past due to exactly what I just described. I may well give up again if the same old people continue their boring little vendettas against each other. I actually have no idea why you're having a go at me here. But others might find Padstow's views interesting especially has he has played at a professional level and is employed as a scout by a professional club. Last season he scolded me for criticising the board but we didn't fall out about it. It would be dull and boring if we were all forced to share the same point of view and were prevented from expressing opinions which went against those of the majority. The bigger picture is about whether we are supporting a team or a club. If it is a club then IMO there is a big benefit in making sure fans feel valued and appreciated rather than making them feel they just have a duty to turn up and cheer on the team but at all other times their opinions are not wanted. A quick but sensible response to Padstow or anyone else is all that is needed and in my experience most successful businesses make sure they do this not just because it's a responsibility but because it makes good commercial sense as well. It's an old cliche but it's true - courtesy costs nothing. This sounds about the measure of it to me. I don't really understand why people were getting so angry - seemed a relatively mildly expressed frustration to me.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jan 7, 2015 1:01:39 GMT
But others might find Padstow's views interesting especially has he has played at a professional level and is employed as a scout by a professional club. Last season he scolded me for criticising the board but we didn't fall out about it. It would be dull and boring if we were all forced to share the same point of view and were prevented from expressing opinions which went against those of the majority. The bigger picture is about whether we are supporting a team or a club. If it is a club then IMO there is a big benefit in making sure fans feel valued and appreciated rather than making them feel they just have a duty to turn up and cheer on the team but at all other times their opinions are not wanted. A quick but sensible response to Padstow or anyone else is all that is needed and in my experience most successful businesses make sure they do this not just because it's a responsibility but because it makes good commercial sense as well. It's an old cliche but it's true - courtesy costs nothing. This sounds about the measure of it to me. I don't really understand why people were getting so angry - seemed a relatively mildly expressed frustration to me. I certainly hope Padstow stays l am baffled why he is getting stick because he is exasperated by the club not following up some of his leads. I'd utterly surprised if every poster on here hasn't been exasperated by the club at some stage. Should we hound everyone out? Added to all the work he put in to organising a game for Lewis Haldane and he has actually got off his are to do things for this club unlike those trying to hound him off the forum. Perhaps that is why they don't like him?
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 7, 2015 8:26:42 GMT
Padstow, who have you been passing stuff on to at Rovers recently? I believe Chris Jelf is the go to man for the playing side of things, however I can neither confirm or deny the rumours that he isn't about that much Maybe not at the moment - but its no secret that the directors at Jelf are looking for an exit strategy. Their latest pay deal includes a bonus if the business is taken over for a certain price.
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 7, 2015 8:30:20 GMT
This sounds about the measure of it to me. I don't really understand why people were getting so angry - seemed a relatively mildly expressed frustration to me. I certainly hope Padstow stays l am baffled why he is getting stick because he is exasperated by the club not following up some of his leads. I'd utterly surprised if every poster on here hasn't been exasperated by the club at some stage. Should we hound everyone out? Added to all the work he put in to organising a game for Lewis Haldane and he has actually got off his are to do things for this club unlike those trying to hound him off the forum. Perhaps that is why they don't like him? Can you hound someone off a forum like this? I don't know the guy, but he seems to chuck his toys out the pram a lot if anyone disagrees with him. If everyone flounced off whenever they had an argument, this wouldn't be a very interesting read.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 9:14:29 GMT
Padstow, who have you been passing stuff on to at Rovers recently? I believe Chris Jelf is the go to man for the playing side of things, however I can neither confirm or deny the rumours that he isn't about that much Maybe not at the moment - but its no secret that the directors at Jelf are looking for an exit strategy. Their latest pay deal includes a bonus if the business is taken over for a certain price. is Chris Jelf still a director there?
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Post by LJG on Jan 7, 2015 10:03:32 GMT
Maybe not at the moment - but its no secret that the directors at Jelf are looking for an exit strategy. Their latest pay deal includes a bonus if the business is taken over for a certain price. is Chris Jelf still a director there? I didn't think so. He took on a CEO and moved into a chairmanship role as I understand it. But I could be wrong on that. I do happen to know that Chris is in Africa at the moment - he goes there every year at this time.
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 7, 2015 10:33:31 GMT
is Chris Jelf still a director there? I didn't think so. He took on a CEO and moved into a chairmanship role as I understand it. But I could be wrong on that. I do happen to know that Chris is in Africa at the moment - he goes there every year at this time. Chris Jelf is Deputy Chairman of Jelf Group - from their website: Deputy Chairman Christopher Jelf - Deputy Chairman ACII FPC Chris established the business in 1989 having worked in the industry in a number of positions for brokerages and providers (including Midland Bank and Royal Insurance). Chris is a qualified broker and financial adviser, and plays an active role with many of the Group's insurance clients and business partners. Corporate responsibilities: Plc Board
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 7, 2015 10:41:52 GMT
I didn't think so. He took on a CEO and moved into a chairmanship role as I understand it. But I could be wrong on that. I do happen to know that Chris is in Africa at the moment - he goes there every year at this time. Chris Jelf is Deputy Chairman of Jelf Group - from their website: Deputy Chairman Christopher Jelf - Deputy Chairman ACII FPC Chris established the business in 1989 having worked in the industry in a number of positions for brokerages and providers (including Midland Bank and Royal Insurance). Chris is a qualified broker and financial adviser, and plays an active role with many of the Group's insurance clients and business partners. Corporate responsibilities: Plc Board Disclaimer - I own 0.0014% of Jelf Group...
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Post by brizzle on Jan 7, 2015 12:40:29 GMT
Really? Because I've actually stopped bothering in the past due to exactly what I just described. I may well give up again if the same old people continue their boring little vendettas against each other. I actually have no idea why you're having a go at me here. But others might find Padstow's views interesting especially has he has played at a professional level and is employed as a scout by a professional club. Last season he scolded me for criticising the board but we didn't fall out about it. It would be dull and boring if we were all forced to share the same point of view and were prevented from expressing opinions which went against those of the majority. The bigger picture is about whether we are supporting a team or a club. If it is a club then IMO there is a big benefit in making sure fans feel valued and appreciated rather than making them feel they just have a duty to turn up and cheer on the team but at all other times their opinions are not wanted. A quick but sensible response to Padstow or anyone else is all that is needed and in my experience most successful businesses make sure they do this not just because it's a responsibility but because it makes good commercial sense as well. It's an old cliche but it's true - courtesy costs nothing. Very well said.
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Post by irishrover on Jan 7, 2015 13:40:31 GMT
But others might find Padstow's views interesting especially has he has played at a professional level and is employed as a scout by a professional club. Last season he scolded me for criticising the board but we didn't fall out about it. It would be dull and boring if we were all forced to share the same point of view and were prevented from expressing opinions which went against those of the majority. The bigger picture is about whether we are supporting a team or a club. If it is a club then IMO there is a big benefit in making sure fans feel valued and appreciated rather than making them feel they just have a duty to turn up and cheer on the team but at all other times their opinions are not wanted. A quick but sensible response to Padstow or anyone else is all that is needed and in my experience most successful businesses make sure they do this not just because it's a responsibility but because it makes good commercial sense as well. It's an old cliche but it's true - courtesy costs nothing. Very well said. Yes - and I think you can simplify it further by upholding the principle of playing the ball and not the man. I don't think the forum can work otherwise because we don't have professional moderation. It's how I've started seeing things. If someone attacks the poster rather than the post then I don't think that's on unless they themselves are replying to provocation in which case it can play out provided the give and take is even. Generally, it's a lot better, more constructive and more respectful if the debate is around differences of opinion only even if that gets quite intense sometimes. It's why posts about 'rose-tinters', 'moaners', 'hidden agenda' etc get on my wick because they're not really proper opinions; they're just dismissive assumptions (often probably wrong) and are pointless because they are based on guessing information no one could possibly know. All we have is a collection of individuals (mostly anonymous) with opinions - if people don't agree with an opinion than state who and why and give them a chance to reply; that's exactly how it should work.
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