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Post by Curly Wurly on Nov 12, 2014 18:29:21 GMT
For those who perceive that Sainsburys offering us compensation of any amount is great, thank god you are not acting on behalf of the club. Why would they offer anything? If they think the contract has failed for any reason, they will pay nowt. If they offer anything, that is tantamount to admitting they have breached the terms of the contract, so we then go for full payment. More to the point, who will ever trust Sainsburys in any future dealings with anyone if they think they can just walk away from any contract they don't like. Remember the council have also laid out a hell if a lot of money on issues relating to the development of the Mem site. What does strike me as odd though, is that there were no club directors at the meeting today. Toni the Till was there but is not a director, and basically added nothing to the debate Eddie Ware was outside the council house before the meeting with TW, but did not come in to the meeting. What's all that about? I'm with you. Our stance has to be "we have a contract, honour it in full". Whether that is eventually negotiated down is another matter. I don't think Sainsbury's or the other supermarkets care on the trust issue. This is just one of a number of similar property deals that they are involved in and history tells us their skin is pretty thick. But I do think that if it was easy for them to simply walk away, they would have done so already. I'm not sure about directors attending, it sounds like we have done our talking before the public event. Have to say, I don't like a number of things that our BoD have done, but despite plenty of opportunity to get hot under the collar, Bristol Rovers' directors have handled the entire saga with dignity IMO. Unlike many other public figures who should know better.
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Post by brizzle on Nov 12, 2014 18:30:01 GMT
For those who perceive that Sainsburys offering us compensation of any amount is great, thank god you are not acting on behalf of the club. Why would they offer anything? If they think the contract has failed for any reason, they will pay nowt. If they offer anything, that is tantamount to admitting they have breached the terms of the contract, so we then go for full payment. More to the point, who will ever trust Sainsburys in any future dealings with anyone if they think they can just walk away from any contract they don't like. Remember the council have also laid out a hell if a lot of money on issues relating to the development of the Mem site. What does strike me as odd though, is that there were no club directors at the meeting today. Toni the Till was there but is not a director, and basically added nothing to the debate Eddie Ware was outside the council house before the meeting with TW, but did not come in to the meeting. What's all that about? As the Director of Finance on BRFC Board of Directors is Toni Watola, doesn't that make him a Director of the club? I'm not arguing the point but asking a question, which I had always believed that I knew the answer to. Funny business this high finance.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 12, 2014 18:33:42 GMT
For those who perceive that Sainsburys offering us compensation of any amount is great, thank god you are not acting on behalf of the club. Why would they offer anything? If they think the contract has failed for any reason, they will pay nowt. If they offer anything, that is tantamount to admitting they have breached the terms of the contract, so we then go for full payment. More to the point, who will ever trust Sainsburys in any future dealings with anyone if they think they can just walk away from any contract they don't like. Remember the council have also laid out a hell if a lot of money on issues relating to the development of the Mem site. What does strike me as odd though, is that there were no club directors at the meeting today. Toni the Till was there but is not a director, and basically added nothing to the debate Eddie Ware was outside the council house before the meeting with TW, but did not come in to the meeting. What's all that about? I think they felt no need Brian abd they may have already had a good indication of the outcome. Look at those on here who knew. Seems that maybe they felt no need to expose themselves given the case of premature celebration with the pp last time. Maybe lessons have been learned eh mate ?
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 12, 2014 18:33:42 GMT
That's the closest to upbeat that I've seen in the OS but I only ever now go there when someone links me up Well thats the line they have used since whenever. We have a contract. They have got over the big hurdle as TW mentions,. The ball is in Sainsburys court. Lets see if they puncture it or want to play nice
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Post by lulworthgas on Nov 12, 2014 18:34:12 GMT
. . . and here he is again, and answering some pertinent questions too. That gave me a laugh before I watch it. Terry Tibbs, about the stadium, talk to me ? I take it the club are no longer bound by a confidentiality agreement then? I fully expect to be told sainsburies response to the clubs phone call with in the next 48 hours.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 12, 2014 18:34:14 GMT
" Terry Tibbs " lol , just spat me Stella out It is though, INNIT lol. Much love. Terry
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Nov 12, 2014 18:37:51 GMT
This is great news for Nick Higgs, it will certainly improve his negotiating position when settling a claim for damages. Sainsburys are a massive business, they are not going to be forced into buying the MEM because of the enhanced opening hours; their strategic position going forward is to open smaller high street shops. Sainsburys will do what they want, we all know deep down Higgs will need to look for a new business partner. This whole **** fest to be honest has got in the way of the football, and IMO contributed in part to Higgs taking his eye off the ball and club being relegated twice since he took office in Box 1. UTG
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Post by brizzle on Nov 12, 2014 18:53:11 GMT
Who let Toni on the official twitter, is this wise? . . . and here he is again, and answering some pertinent questions too. Is that DC lurking over Toni's left shoulder? If it is, then he's probably on the phone trying to arrange a couple of new faces into the squad.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 12, 2014 19:22:38 GMT
. . . and here he is again, and answering some pertinent questions too. Is that DC lurking over Toni's left shoulder? If it is, then he's probably on the phone trying to arrange a couple of new faces into the squad. Just seen him in BBC points West and he is struggling to keep the smile from coming through. His eyes are smiling though. If you ever watched Red Dwarf then he is Kryten, in snug mode Mr Lister
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 12, 2014 19:44:10 GMT
For those who perceive that Sainsburys offering us compensation of any amount is great, thank god you are not acting on behalf of the club. Why would they offer anything? If they think the contract has failed for any reason, they will pay nowt. If they offer anything, that is tantamount to admitting they have breached the terms of the contract, so we then go for full payment. More to the point, who will ever trust Sainsburys in any future dealings with anyone if they think they can just walk away from any contract they don't like. Remember the council have also laid out a hell if a lot of money on issues relating to the development of the Mem site. What does strike me as odd though, is that there were no club directors at the meeting today. Toni the Till was there but is not a director, and basically added nothing to the debate Eddie Ware was outside the council house before the meeting with TW, but did not come in to the meeting. What's all that about? Assuming all the onerous conditions have been met then Sainsbury's can't simply walk away now from the deal. That really leaves them with two options, try and buy Rovers off with a decent offer, or pay up and put the Mem in their land bank. After all they've accounted for £31m in their accounts and I wonder what other big store development as progressed to the point of no return like the Horfield store did today and I assume they must of had a good idea BCC would pass the delivery times today? As far as Directors not being in attendance perhaps they don't want to be seen celebrating again until they know Sainsbury's will be paying up? I'm a bit surprised TW is now suggesting a March start date without first speaking to Sainsbury's.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 20:09:50 GMT
This is great news for Nick Higgs, it will certainly improve his negotiating position when settling a claim for damages. Sainsburys are a massive business, they are not going to be forced into buying the MEM because of the enhanced opening hours; their strategic position going forward is to open smaller high street shops. Sainsburys will do what they want, we all know deep down Higgs will need to look for a new business partner. This whole **** fest to be honest has got in the way of the football, and IMO contributed in part to Higgs taking his eye off the ball and club being relegated twice since he took office in Box 1. UTG What happened to your "Nick Higgs reign will be in tatters this week" ??
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Post by irishrover on Nov 12, 2014 20:20:42 GMT
Excellent news - at the very least this means we have whacked the ball very firmly into Sainsbury's court. Now we should get to see very soon what hand it is they are playing and whether the confidence of the optimists on here has been well placed. Why anyone connected to the club should see the announcement of what has been acknowledged as universal good news (in the sense that whatever happens from here the club is clearly in a better position regarding the whole UWE business than at midday today) to try and further alienate gasheads is completely and utterly beyond me. A little confused with this Irish. Who has said anything to further alienate or are we referring to a certain unarmed poster ? Thanks I was referring to Nurse Ratched's completely unnecessary digs at straw men in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 20:38:34 GMT
From somebody who was at the meeting:- Willingham helped us out. He basically said approval would be tantamount to child cruelty if they lost sleep as a result.The chairman then proceeded to wipe the floor with him. Then one of the ladies on the committee lost her rag with him and said she didn't join the committee to be accused of child cruelty, and as a result said she intended therefore to vote in favour, which she duly did. Sounds like Cllr Willingham rather shot himself in the foot! Another man of the match award for the good doctor,well played sir!
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Post by ellington on Nov 12, 2014 20:43:48 GMT
From somebody who was at the meeting:- Willingham helped us out. He basically said approval would be tantamount to child cruelty if they lost sleep as a result.The chairman then proceeded to wipe the floor with him. Then one of the ladies on the committee lost her rag with him and said she didn't join the committee to be accused of child cruelty, and as a result said she intended therefore to vote in favour, which she duly did. Sounds like Cllr Willingham rather shot himself in the foot! Another man of the match award for the good doctor,well played sir! Not sure why you got a photo of john Jo o toole cleaning windows though
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Post by sharkey on Nov 12, 2014 20:45:08 GMT
If Sainsburys can walk away from a contract which they have signed to buy the land, what is the point of a contract? Higgs is in the construction game and will know top lawyers too. All "in the know" seem to have been bursting with smugness for some time (Henbury!) Perhaps the £31m set aside by Sainsburys is £30m is to cover the cost of the ground and £1m is for BRFC Solicitors' costs!
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 12, 2014 20:45:10 GMT
Looks like a fingerprint expert to me.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 12, 2014 20:45:53 GMT
seeing that interview, I thought Toni the till was excellent - pretty much laid out what we all think.......
Sainsbury's are looking to back out, Rovers threatened to sue, Sainsbury's are stalling for time, Rovers are ploughing ahead with all their contractual obligations in order to force Sainbury's hand
the crunch will come when Sainsbury's have no more wriggle room, or when the supermarket retail climate has changed to bring the Mem plan back into favour with Sainsbury's management
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Post by PessimistGas on Nov 12, 2014 20:50:12 GMT
I found this article extremely interesting.
"The move came as the supermarket conducted a strategic review which saw it write off £287m off the value of its property portfolio, mainly due to land bought which will now no longer be developed. Of this charge, £31m related to contracts it has already entered into which will not be needed."
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Post by sharkey on Nov 12, 2014 20:53:20 GMT
Looks like a fingerprint expert to me. Looks like a complete twat to me.
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Post by toteend on Nov 12, 2014 20:56:58 GMT
I think perhaps you are right KP, but it just struck me as odd that he was with TW outside on Park Street then didn't come in to the meeting.
TW isn't breaching any confidentiality over this (honest I'm not trying to defend him) he is just stating fact. It would take over two months to drum up the plant required to commence the stadium, and that is January. Why not start in sensible weather in March. After all it would still be completed by June 2016 leaving plenty of time for the trial games and H&S sign offs.
Glad I'm not related to PeterHooper 57. I get depressed over his depression.What part of punitive damages don't you understand? They were legislated for, for just this kind of thing. Big bar stewards thinking they can run roughshod over little bar stewards.
You can't just pick and choose your contracts no matter who you are. They carry the weight of law. Just think, if Sainsburys drag their feet we might end up with another £10m to buy a team with. Happy days.
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