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Post by zfc on Oct 30, 2014 18:26:21 GMT
Just watch the film that was released about 20 years after the original fight.IMO no sportsperson has ever eclipsed what Ali did that famous night in Zaire.
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Post by tbonegas on Oct 30, 2014 22:44:35 GMT
Just watch the film that was released about 20 years after the original fight.IMO no sportsperson has ever eclipsed what Ali did that famous night in Zaire. Rafael Nadal has won the French Open on no less than 9 ocassions. Thats a greater achievement than anything Ali ever did. |
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 31, 2014 17:55:21 GMT
Just watch the film that was released about 20 years after the original fight.IMO no sportsperson has ever eclipsed what Ali did that famous night in Zaire. The way Ali let George punch himself out by the 5th round was clever in the heat and humidity and then pick him off for a famous win against all the odds in the 8th. |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 4, 2014 19:51:16 GMT
Just watch the film that was released about 20 years after the original fight.IMO no sportsperson has ever eclipsed what Ali did that famous night in Zaire. Rafael Nadal has won the French Open on no less than 9 ocassions. Thats a greater achievement than anything Ali ever did. so playing with a bat and a ball and running around screaming at nothing, is more of a challenge than against some other guy who is doing their utmost to bash your brains in.......... and effectively did it..........later years has proved just that....................... Nadal ...........Ali.......... no contest, Ali wins hands down[should have been up!!! |
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Post by tbonegas on Nov 4, 2014 20:23:28 GMT
Rafael Nadal has won the French Open on no less than 9 ocassions. Thats a greater achievement than anything Ali ever did. so playing with a bat and a ball and running around screaming at nothing, is more of a challenge than against some other guy who is doing their utmost to bash your brains in.......... and effectively did it..........later years has proved just that....................... Nadal ...........Ali.......... no contest, Ali wins hands down[should have been up!!! Yep |
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Post by Bernard Briggs on Apr 25, 2015 6:46:02 GMT
Lloyd Honeyghan taking Don Curry apart ( and not on neutral territory either ) is up there with what Ali did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 16:27:21 GMT
What Ali did that day was good, but there have been plenty of similar performances, Michael Watson did the exact same thing to Nigel Benn.
Best performance ever in a ring? Nigel Benn climbing back through the ropes to stop Gerald McClellan, Benn simply would not be defeated that night.
Tyson in his prime would have walked straight through Ali at his best. When Ali got tagged he went over, 'enry proved that.
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 30, 2015 1:50:00 GMT
Tyson in his prime would have walked straight through Ali at his best. When Ali got tagged he went over, 'enry proved that. Ali was and still is the greatest technical fighter that has ever lived, with a devastating jab, Mike Tyson wouldn't of lasted 5 rounds with Ali, Mike Tyson was only about 5"9, while Ali was at least 6"3 and had at least a 10 inch reach advantage. Go back to Ali's fights with Sonny Liston, he was the aggressor with huge punching power like Tyson and also had questionable stamina like Tyson, Ali made him quit twice, that's what would of happened to Tyson, he would of quit. Ali took on the biggest, baddest, toughest guys and Ali would go the distance and beat and batter them into pulps. Ali beat Joe Frazier 2 out of 3 and the 3rd fight was the greatest fight of all time in the Thriller In Manilla, Ali also rope a doped George Forman who was the beast of all beasts and destroyed him. The fight that made Tyson was against a Light Heavyweight in Michael Spinks, who weighed about 211 pounds, Tyson weighed about 240. Look at Mike Tyson in his prime, he didn't fight greats, he fought the likes of Mitch "Blood" Green, Marvis Frazier(Joe's son), Pinklon Thomas, and a washed up Larry Holmes. In his prime the only fights that really stand out in Tyson's career are his fights with Razor Ruddock. He also got knocked out by an average bum Buster Douglas in his prime. Where as you look at Ali in his prime the heavyweight division was phenomenal, along with Ali there was Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Ernie Terell, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton and George Forman, and Ali beat all of them. Ali would of beat Tyson inside 5 rounds. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 11:59:00 GMT
Tyson in his prime would have walked straight through Ali at his best. When Ali got tagged he went over, 'enry proved that. Ali was and still is the greatest technical fighter that has ever lived, with a devastating jab, Mike Tyson wouldn't of lasted 5 rounds with Ali, Mike Tyson was only about 5"9, while Ali was at least 6"3 and had at least a 10 inch reach advantage. Go back to Ali's fights with Sonny Liston, he was the aggressor with huge punching power like Tyson and also had questionable stamina like Tyson, Ali made him quit twice, that's what would of happened to Tyson, he would of quit. Ali took on the biggest, baddest, toughest guys and Ali would go the distance and beat and batter them into pulps. Ali beat Joe Frazier 2 out of 3 and the 3rd fight was the greatest fight of all time in the Thriller In Manilla, Ali also rope a doped George Forman who was the beast of all beasts and destroyed him. The fight that made Tyson was against a Light Heavyweight in Michael Spinks, who weighed about 211 pounds, Tyson weighed about 240. Look at Mike Tyson in his prime, he didn't fight greats, he fought the likes of Mitch "Blood" Green, Marvis Frazier(Joe's son), Pinklon Thomas, and a washed up Larry Holmes. In his prime the only fights that really stand out in Tyson's career are his fights with Razor Ruddock. He also got knocked out by an average bum Buster Douglas in his prime. Where as you look at Ali in his prime the heavyweight division was phenomenal, along with Ali there was Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Ernie Terell, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton and George Forman, and Ali beat all of them. Ali would of beat Tyson inside 5 rounds. Good 'innit, bit like the moon landings, the debate will go on for ever. Tyson's head had already gone when he fought Douglas. Mitch 'the blood' Green was used as a training session, don't read too much into the fact that that fight went the distance. When they crossed swords in a cloths shop in the early hours of the morning and he started running his mouth, Green ended up in a heap on the floor in about 5 seconds. And it's a bit unfair to suggest that Tyson was ducking anyone to take that fight, it was quite early in his career. If you want to talk about technical fighting, Tyson's defence and movement (pre-Douglas) was the best I've even seen from a heavyweight. He's actually nearer 6 foot tall. Sure Larry Holmes was washed up, Spinks and Frazier had no right standing in the same ring as Mike. No argument there. No doubt whatsoever in my mind, Ali's arm punches wouldn't have bothered Mike, the moment Ali dropped his guard and started showing off Tyson would have whacked him on the side of the head, if that didn't put him away it would have been a matter of time before he got a right to the rib cage followed by a right to the jaw and it would have been lights out. We can thank Don King for failing to manage Mike and denying us the opportunity to witness the greatest heavyweight of my lifetime fulfilling his potential. |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 30, 2015 14:20:09 GMT
Ali was and still is the greatest technical fighter that has ever lived, with a devastating jab, Mike Tyson wouldn't of lasted 5 rounds with Ali, Mike Tyson was only about 5"9, while Ali was at least 6"3 and had at least a 10 inch reach advantage. Go back to Ali's fights with Sonny Liston, he was the aggressor with huge punching power like Tyson and also had questionable stamina like Tyson, Ali made him quit twice, that's what would of happened to Tyson, he would of quit. Ali took on the biggest, baddest, toughest guys and Ali would go the distance and beat and batter them into pulps. Ali beat Joe Frazier 2 out of 3 and the 3rd fight was the greatest fight of all time in the Thriller In Manilla, Ali also rope a doped George Forman who was the beast of all beasts and destroyed him. The fight that made Tyson was against a Light Heavyweight in Michael Spinks, who weighed about 211 pounds, Tyson weighed about 240. Look at Mike Tyson in his prime, he didn't fight greats, he fought the likes of Mitch "Blood" Green, Marvis Frazier(Joe's son), Pinklon Thomas, and a washed up Larry Holmes. In his prime the only fights that really stand out in Tyson's career are his fights with Razor Ruddock. He also got knocked out by an average bum Buster Douglas in his prime. Where as you look at Ali in his prime the heavyweight division was phenomenal, along with Ali there was Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Ernie Terell, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton and George Forman, and Ali beat all of them. Ali would of beat Tyson inside 5 rounds. Good 'innit, bit like the moon landings, the debate will go on for ever. Tyson's head had already gone when he fought Douglas. Mitch 'the blood' Green was used as a training session, don't read too much into the fact that that fight went the distance. When they crossed swords in a cloths shop in the early hours of the morning and he started running his mouth, Green ended up in a heap on the floor in about 5 seconds. And it's a bit unfair to suggest that Tyson was ducking anyone to take that fight, it was quite early in his career. If you want to talk about technical fighting, Tyson's defence and movement (pre-Douglas) was the best I've even seen from a heavyweight. He's actually nearer 6 foot tall. Sure Larry Holmes was washed up, Spinks and Frazier had no right standing in the same ring as Mike. No argument there. No doubt whatsoever in my mind, Ali's arm punches wouldn't have bothered Mike, the moment Ali dropped his guard and started showing off Tyson would have whacked him on the side of the head, if that didn't put him away it would have been a matter of time before he got a right to the rib cage followed by a right to the jaw and it would have been lights out. We can thank Don King for failing to manage Mike and denying us the opportunity to witness the greatest heavyweight of my lifetime fulfilling his potential. It is a good debate, and one that nobody will be able to prove indefinitely. But for me, the only way I come to my opinion is to look at the standard of the heavyweight division in Ali's prime and then compare it to Tyson's. Ali fought the greatest heavyweights of his generation(or of any generation) in his and their prime, Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier and George Foreman would all be in my top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time, and Ali beat them all. In Tyson's prime which would be 1985-89, before the departure of Kevin Rooney, he fought journeyman fighters and middle of the road bums, Tyson had already gone by the time he got knocked out by Douglas(the worst heavyweight champion of all time), so fair point, but Tyson's record if you look at it is just knockouts against bums and washed up guys coming out of retirement, he didn't fight any good fighters in what would be considered his prime. Tyson embarrased a lot of B level bums and that looked impressive to some, but he didn't fight anybody of any note. Was he the greatest of his era? Yes for a 3-4 year period, but it was a very poor heavyweight era. Ali was the greatest of his era, in what was the greatest era ever in the history of heavyweight boxing. Ali, all day long, there really is no comparison imo. |
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Post by Bernard Briggs on May 1, 2015 7:14:35 GMT
Well, I`ve been known to have a fairly substantial punt on boxing in the past. But Tyson V Ali; I would have left that alone.
Haven`t a clue who would have won that one.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 11:25:36 GMT
Good 'innit, bit like the moon landings, the debate will go on for ever. Tyson's head had already gone when he fought Douglas. Mitch 'the blood' Green was used as a training session, don't read too much into the fact that that fight went the distance. When they crossed swords in a cloths shop in the early hours of the morning and he started running his mouth, Green ended up in a heap on the floor in about 5 seconds. And it's a bit unfair to suggest that Tyson was ducking anyone to take that fight, it was quite early in his career. If you want to talk about technical fighting, Tyson's defence and movement (pre-Douglas) was the best I've even seen from a heavyweight. He's actually nearer 6 foot tall. Sure Larry Holmes was washed up, Spinks and Frazier had no right standing in the same ring as Mike. No argument there. No doubt whatsoever in my mind, Ali's arm punches wouldn't have bothered Mike, the moment Ali dropped his guard and started showing off Tyson would have whacked him on the side of the head, if that didn't put him away it would have been a matter of time before he got a right to the rib cage followed by a right to the jaw and it would have been lights out. We can thank Don King for failing to manage Mike and denying us the opportunity to witness the greatest heavyweight of my lifetime fulfilling his potential. It is a good debate, and one that nobody will be able to prove indefinitely. But for me, the only way I come to my opinion is to look at the standard of the heavyweight division in Ali's prime and then compare it to Tyson's. Ali fought the greatest heavyweights of his generation(or of any generation) in his and their prime, Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier and George Foreman would all be in my top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time, and Ali beat them all. In Tyson's prime which would be 1985-89, before the departure of Kevin Rooney, he fought journeyman fighters and middle of the road bums, Tyson had already gone by the time he got knocked out by Douglas(the worst heavyweight champion of all time), so fair point, but Tyson's record if you look at it is just knockouts against bums and washed up guys coming out of retirement, he didn't fight any good fighters in what would be considered his prime. Tyson embarrased a lot of B level bums and that looked impressive to some, but he didn't fight anybody of any note. Was he the greatest of his era? Yes for a 3-4 year period, but it was a very poor heavyweight era. Ali was the greatest of his era, in what was the greatest era ever in the history of heavyweight boxing. Ali, all day long, there really is no comparison imo. Some of those fights looked good because they were evenly matched, but Donovan Ruddock or Trevor Berbick would have given a good account of themselves against Holmes (even at his best), Frazier or Foreman. And yes, I know about Berbick Vs Ali, but that night Trevor was almost apologetic to be beating up on a legend, he could have knocked Ali out at almost any point if he wanted to. If you think that Tyson's time was a poor era for heavyweight boxing, it was a golden generation compared to the 2 robotic Russians and the wobbling pink blancmange that is Tyson Fury. |
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Post by zfc on Jun 4, 2016 11:47:14 GMT
RIP Muhammad Ali the greatest boxer,the greatest sportsman and one of the finest human beings to walk this earth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 16:12:15 GMT
RIP Muhammad Ali the greatest boxer,the greatest sportsman and one of the finest human beings to walk this earth. Desperately sad news  Magnificent athlete, great entertainer, and a man of principle. |
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Post by Igitur on Jun 4, 2016 18:23:42 GMT
Just watch the film that was released about 20 years after the original fight.IMO no sportsperson has ever eclipsed what Ali did that famous night in Zaire. Rafael Nadal has won the French Open on no less than 9 ocassions. Thats a greater achievement than anything Ali ever did. Ball cocks, can't even get the right size of pants to wear. |
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 11, 2022 19:51:33 GMT
amazing video
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 12, 2022 8:16:55 GMT
Which one bt? All unavailable from what I can see... |
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Post by zfc on Jul 25, 2022 8:29:24 GMT
Which one bt? All unavailable from what I can see... It has been removed from YouTube but it is called When We Were Kings.Probably available to stream elsewhere.There is another great boxing documentary out there now called Four Kings and it follows the rivalries of Marvelous Marvin,Sugar Ray Leonard,Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran.It is superb viewing. |
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