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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2014 9:37:27 GMT
PH57 do you actually ever have anything positive to say about Rovers?
We've got to a play off spot thanks to our defence rather than attack so they can't all be bad!
Leadbitter wasn't having a bad game on Saturday until he foolishly got sent off, let's hope his suspension doesn't set him to far back, I've no idea why posters suggest he might be a RW as I can't recall DC ever playing him in that role.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 23, 2014 10:08:09 GMT
PH57 do you actually ever have anything positive to say about Rovers? We've got to a play off spot thanks to our defence rather than attack so they can't all be bad! Leadbitter wasn't having a bad game on Saturday until he foolishly got sent off, let's hope his suspension doesn't set him to far back, I've no idea why posters suggest he might be a RW as I can't recall DC ever playing him in that role. I'd certainly suggest that with his speed Leadbitter could be a good right wing-back in a 5-3-2, with 3 from Lockyer, Parkes, Trottman or McChrystal as a central back 3. Having played that formation in most of the pre-season games, I'm surprised that it seems to have been ditched as we've generally stuck with a back 4.
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 23, 2014 12:47:13 GMT
Central defenders are good at defending, not many are good enough on the ball to spray inch perfect passes all over the pitch. They should focus on their defending and play the easy ball out, not try and do something they're not good at. Great teams are moulded from players who focus on their jobs and make it easy for others to do theirs. Parkes needs help to focus and to stop doing rash things, only then will he stop making silly blunders. perfectly summed up in a nutshell. the problem is that I get a sense Tom thinks it is his role, particularly as Trotman and maccers are both an old skool CBs, who makes no bones about not being there to be Hoddle-esque distributors. we need midfielders who want the ball and make themselves available, and we need a water carrier who will take the ball off them. For all the criticism of players like Craig Stanley, he always used to do that.
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 23, 2014 12:55:56 GMT
PH57 do you actually ever have anything positive to say about Rovers? We've got to a play off spot thanks to our defence rather than attack so they can't all be bad! Leadbitter wasn't having a bad game on Saturday until he foolishly got sent off, let's hope his suspension doesn't set him to far back, I've no idea why posters suggest he might be a RW as I can't recall DC ever playing him in that role. did you go to Aldershot? Leadbitter replaced Monkhouse and played right wing. and did well. Ypu don;t have to be a genius to work out that he has pace, and a shot, and could well be converted to a right winger, or at least be allowed to be a wing back. how many times has Clarke played Tom lockyer, a centre back, as a right back? How many times has Clarke played leadbitter, a right back, as a right back? you do the maths. do you think that suggests something about DC's view of leadbitter as a defender? you can;t just say someone was doing well until they got sent off. surely staying on the pitch is part of having a good game?! why did leadbitter get sent off? was it a defensive error? do you think that might suggest something about his defensive ability at this moment in time? p.s. I like the guy and the situation reminds me a little of Michael Smith is his early games for us, but I think the lad needs to be used rather than moulding away on the bench when we have little creativity or pace on the right wing.
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 23, 2014 12:58:16 GMT
PH57 do you actually ever have anything positive to say about Rovers? he may not write it in a way you or I would prefer to hear, but on a purely footballing level what he wrote was correct, and it is helpful as hopefully DC can see it as well and think about, and improve young Tom (Parkes) as a centre back.
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 23, 2014 13:03:56 GMT
sadly could be true. really, really hope not. we need to sort this out. If leadbitter isn't good enough at RB (and/or is shifted to right wing) we need to find someone who is. utterly fed up of players playing out of position. Tom really is not a particularly good RB. Not his fault. he's a CB. Tom's 19, far too young to pigeon-hole like that given than none of us (that i know of...) can see the future I didn;t expect I would have to write 'at this moment in time' after every post I make. I'm merely pointing out that Tom Lockyer is not [at this moment in time - there you go...] a very good right back. Yet we have a right back at the club. If DC doesn't think that that RB (leadbitter) is good enough at RB we would should (a) coach leadbitter to be a better RB, (b) and/or convert him to a winger, (c) and/or potentially look to bring in a proper RB. Hardly controversial is it?
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Post by Bristol Rovers on Oct 23, 2014 13:08:19 GMT
I honestly thought when we signed Parkes & Kenneth(when he got fit) they would be our best ever centre-back partnership. Boy how wrong was I? I thought a (finally)fit Kenneth & Parkes would walk league 2, and then league 1. Didn't quite work out that way.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 23, 2014 13:55:50 GMT
I honestly thought when we signed Parkes & Kenneth(when he got fit) they would be our best ever centre-back partnership. Boy how wrong was I? I thought a (finally)fit Kenneth & Parkes would walk league 2, and then league 1. Didn't quite work out that way. Neville Chaimberlain thought that Hitler was an awfully nice chap............look how that turned out.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 23, 2014 14:27:03 GMT
I honestly thought when we signed Parkes & Kenneth(when he got fit) they would be our best ever centre-back partnership. Boy how wrong was I? I thought a (finally)fit Kenneth & Parkes would walk league 2, and then league 1. Didn't quite work out that way. Not entirely wrong because Kenneth never did achieve full fitness, so on that level we cannot judge him . . . or yourself for that matter. Or if he did, then I missed it. Was it in the game when he verbally abused his own supporters? As for Tom Parkes he's still a work in progress, as it were. A bit of a slow learner is our Tom, but then again perhaps he's the finished article? It was rumoured at the end of last season that a couple of clubs were considering bids for him, and despite his weight-loss it all came to nothing. I'm really surprised that he is still with us, playing in the Conference an' all. I had high hopes of him, but at the moment he has yet to fulfill his potential, although I would agree that he still has it in him to do an awful lot better. It's not related in any way, but I see that Cian Bolger is now at Sarfend. If I remember correctly it was Tom Parkes who was considered to be the better long-term bet by some.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2014 17:46:46 GMT
Not really sure playing for Sarfend is that great an achievement? It's surprising how neither of them have progressed form when they first joined us.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2014 17:49:01 GMT
PH57 do you actually ever have anything positive to say about Rovers? he may not write it in a way you or I would prefer to hear, but on a purely footballing level what he wrote was correct, and it is helpful as hopefully DC can see it as well and think about, and improve young Tom (Parkes) as a centre back. That still doesn't answer why the OP can never post anything positive, TBH if I felt so negative about Rovers I'd support somebody else or get a new past time as only seeing bad in the club must be fairly depressing.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2014 17:56:16 GMT
PH57 do you actually ever have anything positive to say about Rovers? We've got to a play off spot thanks to our defence rather than attack so they can't all be bad! Leadbitter wasn't having a bad game on Saturday until he foolishly got sent off, let's hope his suspension doesn't set him to far back, I've no idea why posters suggest he might be a RW as I can't recall DC ever playing him in that role. did you go to Aldershot? Leadbitter replaced Monkhouse and played right wing. and did well. Ypu don;t have to be a genius to work out that he has pace, and a shot, and could well be converted to a right winger, or at least be allowed to be a wing back. how many times has Clarke played Tom lockyer, a centre back, as a right back? How many times has Clarke played leadbitter, a right back, as a right back? you do the maths. do you think that suggests something about DC's view of leadbitter as a defender? you can;t just say someone was doing well until they got sent off. surely staying on the pitch is part of having a good game?! why did leadbitter get sent off? was it a defensive error? do you think that might suggest something about his defensive ability at this moment in time? p.s. I like the guy and the situation reminds me a little of Michael Smith is his early games for us, but I think the lad needs to be used rather than moulding away on the bench when we have little creativity or pace on the right wing. Of course you can say somebody was doing well until they got sent off, what you can't see is that he had a good game, as clearly he didn't last the full 90 mins up until the sending off I don't think he'd made a mistake. I'm mot really sure you'd class is mistake as defensive, as he gave the ball away trying to set up an attack rather than when he was defending. Chances are if he hadn't fouled play acting Guthrie he'd have got away with a booking anyway, he was clearly shocked to be shown a red.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 24, 2014 7:18:41 GMT
Tom's 19, far too young to pigeon-hole like that given than none of us (that i know of...) can see the future I didn;t expect I would have to write 'at this moment in time' after every post I make. I'm merely pointing out that Tom Lockyer is not [at this moment in time - there you go...] a very good right back. Yet we have a right back at the club. If DC doesn't think that that RB (leadbitter) is good enough at RB we would should (a) coach leadbitter to be a better RB, (b) and/or convert him to a winger, (c) and/or potentially look to bring in a proper RB. Hardly controversial is it? Hey pissy pants, saying 'he's a centre back' is an absolute, how am I supposed to know that you are being relative? There are clearly players who are established in one position and will only ever play in one position, how am I supposed to know from your comment that you are not saying that he is one of those? And if you think that players can play in more than one position, how are they to do that without actually playing there?
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 25, 2014 20:48:30 GMT
given than none of us (that i know of...) can see the future I didn;t expect I would have to write 'at this moment in time' after every post I make. I'm merely pointing out that Tom Lockyer is not [at this moment in time - there you go...] a very good right back. Yet we have a right back at the club. If DC doesn't think that that RB (leadbitter) is good enough at RB we would should (a) coach leadbitter to be a better RB, (b) and/or convert him to a winger, (c) and/or potentially look to bring in a proper RB. Hardly controversial is it? Hey pissy pants, saying 'he's a centre back' is an absolute, how am I supposed to know that you are being relative? There are clearly players who are established in one position and will only ever play in one position, how am I supposed to know from your comment that you are not saying that he is one of those? And if you think that players can play in more than one position, how are they to do that without actually playing there? why was the insult needed? I bet you wouldn't say that to my face
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 25, 2014 21:40:03 GMT
Hey pissy pants, saying 'he's a centre back' is an absolute, how am I supposed to know that you are being relative? There are clearly players who are established in one position and will only ever play in one position, how am I supposed to know from your comment that you are not saying that he is one of those? And if you think that players can play in more than one position, how are they to do that without actually playing there? why was the insult needed? I bet you wouldn't say that to my face Insult? *sigh. Ok.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 21:46:34 GMT
i know lots dont agree but i actually think right back is lockyers best position and overall he done very well there especially in his primary role ie defending,
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