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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 15:27:13 GMT
There is no comparison between Olly and Coles when it comes to playing for Rovers,one was a major part of the best team i have watched under Gerry Francis,gave his all for the shirt,did not let threatening phone calls or abuse stop him playing well down the City ground. Thats the reason he is a Legend for me. Coles is just another Rovers player who didn't achieve much with us,would not give him abuse because i couldn't care less who he plays for I don't think anyone was making that comparison. What we were saying is that a lot of the time players are either heroes or villain's and there's no middle ground and often the praise/criticism can be over the top, which can create a double standard. Point being that with Ollie some of the hero worship he gets results in people being willing to overlook mistakes/bad behaviour on his part that others get villified for. He got much more leeway and benefit of the doubt than other players and managers and when people remember him they nearly always remember the good bits and ignore the bad; and they don't want to hear it when people point some of this out. With someone like Coles it's kind of the other way round - all his faults are magnified because he's perceived as the villain - the guy who didn't care, the guy who didn't connect with the fans etc. Therefore he never gets any benefit of the doubt and people are even actively looking for reasons to dislike him. My point is that Coles failed at Rovers but so have a lot of people; he had a testy relationship with fans who he felt were wrongly acusing him of not caring enough - so have others over the years. Yet he always seems to get a disproportionate amount of abuse compared with others so much so that someone told me that members of his Rovers supporting family felt they couldn't go to Rovers games anymore because they felt unwelcome (I have no idea if this is true by the way - just something somebody told me second hand). I just think it's a mirror image of the kind of adoration Ollie gets is all - not a perfect one but I think it's there. I see what you mean IrishRover,but Coles only started getting stick after he scored,and that was because he looked straight to the gasheads behind the goal with his hand over his mouth. What bad things has Ollie done,other than getting booked to much for mouthing off at referees,because it's what players do on the pitch that matters to me. I have watched more gifted players for Rovers but none had the heart for the gas Ollie had or made the most of limited skill to play in the Premier League. I never saw coles give his all for Rovers or show any care when we lost,just straight on the booze like many others.We were just another port of call in his football career ,
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Post by irishrover on Oct 23, 2014 15:53:39 GMT
I don't think anyone was making that comparison. What we were saying is that a lot of the time players are either heroes or villain's and there's no middle ground and often the praise/criticism can be over the top, which can create a double standard. Point being that with Ollie some of the hero worship he gets results in people being willing to overlook mistakes/bad behaviour on his part that others get villified for. He got much more leeway and benefit of the doubt than other players and managers and when people remember him they nearly always remember the good bits and ignore the bad; and they don't want to hear it when people point some of this out. With someone like Coles it's kind of the other way round - all his faults are magnified because he's perceived as the villain - the guy who didn't care, the guy who didn't connect with the fans etc. Therefore he never gets any benefit of the doubt and people are even actively looking for reasons to dislike him. My point is that Coles failed at Rovers but so have a lot of people; he had a testy relationship with fans who he felt were wrongly acusing him of not caring enough - so have others over the years. Yet he always seems to get a disproportionate amount of abuse compared with others so much so that someone told me that members of his Rovers supporting family felt they couldn't go to Rovers games anymore because they felt unwelcome (I have no idea if this is true by the way - just something somebody told me second hand). I just think it's a mirror image of the kind of adoration Ollie gets is all - not a perfect one but I think it's there. I see what you mean IrishRover,but Coles only started getting stick after he scored,and that was because he looked straight to the gasheads behind the goal with his hand over his mouth. What bad things has Ollie done,other than getting booked to much for mouthing off at referees,because it's what players do on the pitch that matters to me. I have watched more gifted players for Rovers but none had the heart for the gas Ollie had or made the most of limited skill to play in the Premier League. I never saw coles give his all for Rovers or show any care when we lost,just straight on the booze like many others.We were just another port of call in his football career , Ah well there you go - I mean that could be considered quite a good example of what I'm on a about. I believe that Ollie was a pretty prestigous drinker in his time; one of the extra little things that endeared Andy Rammell to Gasheads when he was with us was that he 'had a drink in the bar after the game' but that's held up as an example of those players being 'one of the lads and caring about the fans' whereas with Coles him drinking after games is perceived as unprofessional and not giving a crap. I have no idea whether Danny Coles cared about playing for Rovers or not but I do know that some players (like Ollie) are much more expressive about their passion than others but just cos they're more outgoing people doesn't mean they actually care more; it just means they show it more. I know that he was deeply hurt by people assuming that he didn't care and that people around him were offended that he was perceived that way. The point is that how a player's behaviour is perceived is based on what their current reputation happens to be - 2 players could do the same action but in one case it might be perceived as a positive or ignored and in another it be held up as a reason for why the player is a nasty piece of work/bad player etc. As for what Ollie has done wrong - I think that's been debated to death by people and I like Ollie but there's several fans who thought he treated the club badly in his first 2 moves away and my problem with him as manager was the number of times he called out the supporters for not getting behind the team and I've seen him get into abusive slanging matches with his own fans on several occasions. I don't personally mind that particularly but I don't think other managers would have gotten the same benefit of the doubt on these incidents is my point. Can you imagine if Buckle had walked into the disabled area in order to give a fan in a wheelchair who was yelling abuse at him a piece of his mind? I saw Ollie do that twice - didn't blame him really but no one other than Ollie would have gotten away with that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 15:54:14 GMT
There is no comparison between Olly and Coles when it comes to playing for Rovers,one was a major part of the best team i have watched under Gerry Francis,gave his all for the shirt,did not let threatening phone calls or abuse stop him playing well down the City ground. Thats the reason he is a Legend for me. Coles is just another Rovers player who didn't achieve much with us,would not give him abuse because i couldn't care less who he plays for But the point that I was trying to make was that Ian Holloway's Rovers career started a full seven years before Gerry Francis even brought him back home to Rovers. And if you know your history you would surely agree that Ian Holloway was relieved to come back (as by his own admission at the time, he was in a bad way), and we were equally glad to see him back. But the point is that his Rovers career didn't begin with Gerry Francis bringing him home to Bristol and re-invigorating him, because that was his second period with us. To get a full insight then you have to look at all of his periods with the club, not just the one that suits. But I think that everyone would agree with you on Ian's time with the club under Gerry Francis Mk I, but the issues re-emerged when Francis left for QPR, wouldn't you agree? I for one could certainly never accept the way that he left BRFC for QPR in the summer of 1991 (and neither could Gerry Francis himself it was reported at the time). But none of this should detract from Ian Holloway's achievements for the club (and himself) in the ''Golden Era.'' Thankfully his managerial career with BRFC is for another thread, if we can bear it again. By comparison Danny Coles is an ''also-ran,'' and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as some of our more illustrious players . . . and yes, we've had a few. But in my eyes, to be considered to be an illustrious player, then you have to have had blue blood running through your veins, and sadly in the age of the football mercenary (and I mean no disrespect to anyone by that, as it's a fact of modern life), that is no longer possible. I agree Briz football is all about money,just like the rest of the country,but what did Ollie do wrong,Joner was on his second spell as well. What i am poorly getting at is that certain players have earnt the right to have some of their bad points overlooked,but i still can't remember anything that Ollie did wrong first time round,unless you mean wanting a transfer,and i thought Gerry took Ollie to QPR with Yeates,i must be getting old memory is going
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 16:11:05 GMT
I see what you mean IrishRover,but Coles only started getting stick after he scored,and that was because he looked straight to the gasheads behind the goal with his hand over his mouth. What bad things has Ollie done,other than getting booked to much for mouthing off at referees,because it's what players do on the pitch that matters to me. I have watched more gifted players for Rovers but none had the heart for the gas Ollie had or made the most of limited skill to play in the Premier League. I never saw coles give his all for Rovers or show any care when we lost,just straight on the booze like many others.We were just another port of call in his football career , Ah well there you go - I mean that could be considered quite a good example of what I'm on a about. I believe that Ollie was a pretty prestigous drinker in his time; one of the extra little things that endeared Andy Rammell to Gasheads when he was with us was that he 'had a drink in the bar after the game' but that's held up as an example of those players being 'one of the lads and caring about the fans' whereas with Coles him drinking after games is perceived as unprofessional and not giving a crap. I have no idea whether Danny Coles cared about playing for Rovers or not but I do know that some players (like Ollie) are much more expressive about their passion than others but just cos they're more outgoing people doesn't mean they actually care more; it just means they show it more. I know that he was deeply hurt by people assuming that he didn't care and that people around him were offended that he was perceived that way. The point is that how a player's behaviour is perceived is based on what their current reputation happens to be - 2 players could do the same action but in one case it might be perceived as a positive or ignored and in another it be held up as a reason for why the player is a nasty piece of work/bad player etc. As for what Ollie has done wrong - I think that's been debated to death by people and I like Ollie but there's several fans who thought he treated the club badly in his first 2 moves away and my problem with him as manager was the number of times he called out the supporters for not getting behind the team and I've seen him get into abusive slanging matches with his own fans on several occasions. I don't personally mind that particularly but I don't think other managers would have gotten the same benefit of the doubt on these incidents is my point. Can you imagine if Buckle had walked into the disabled area in order to give a fan in a wheelchair who was yelling abuse at him a piece of his mind? I saw Ollie do that twice - didn't blame him really but no one other than Ollie would have gotten away with that. do not get involved with off the pitch stuff,well up to last year anyway,but what i am trying to say,not very well,is players like Ollie,Penrice,Joner and the like have earnt the right,by giving their all on the pitch,to overlook some bad points,Coles never has. I have never given any player stick that didn't deserve it on the day of the game,but Coles leaves me nonplussed do not see why anyone cares. Drinking is only a problem when it effects performance,it never with Ollie,not so sure about Coles
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Post by brizzle on Oct 23, 2014 16:48:17 GMT
But the point that I was trying to make was that Ian Holloway's Rovers career started a full seven years before Gerry Francis even brought him back home to Rovers. And if you know your history you would surely agree that Ian Holloway was relieved to come back (as by his own admission at the time, he was in a bad way), and we were equally glad to see him back. But the point is that his Rovers career didn't begin with Gerry Francis bringing him home to Bristol and re-invigorating him, because that was his second period with us. To get a full insight then you have to look at all of his periods with the club, not just the one that suits. But I think that everyone would agree with you on Ian's time with the club under Gerry Francis Mk I, but the issues re-emerged when Francis left for QPR, wouldn't you agree? I for one could certainly never accept the way that he left BRFC for QPR in the summer of 1991 (and neither could Gerry Francis himself it was reported at the time). But none of this should detract from Ian Holloway's achievements for the club (and himself) in the ''Golden Era.'' Thankfully his managerial career with BRFC is for another thread, if we can bear it again. By comparison Danny Coles is an ''also-ran,'' and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as some of our more illustrious players . . . and yes, we've had a few. But in my eyes, to be considered to be an illustrious player, then you have to have had blue blood running through your veins, and sadly in the age of the football mercenary (and I mean no disrespect to anyone by that, as it's a fact of modern life), that is no longer possible. I agree Briz football is all about money,just like the rest of the country,but what did Ollie do wrong,Joner was on his second spell as well. What i am poorly getting at is that certain players have earnt the right to have some of their bad points overlooked, but i still can't remember anything that Ollie did wrong first time round,unless you mean wanting a transfer,and i thought Gerry took Ollie to QPR with Yeates,i must be getting old memory is going I don't know that Ian did anything wrong meadgas, but what he did do is to prove the point that I'm attempting to make. He was always a particular type of player even as a youngster, today he would probably be tagged as ''gobby.'' It was most probably something that he inherited from his father, who was also not backwards in coming forwards . . . if you get my drift. I remember that on one occasion Ian was playing in a reserve team game at Eastville, and not playing very well at all. I offered some observations from the safety of the South Enclosure, because despite his lack of form he continued to harangue his teammates. This has become one of his trademarks of course, and one which we have all become used to, and admire. But that is not something that you necessarily wanted to see in a young(ish) player. Needless to say Ian continued to ''gob off,'' and his dad and I exchanged our different points of view. But all of that is an indulgent walk down Memory Lane on my part. So back to facts. I forget whether Ian requested a transfer (but I believe that he did), but he was transferred to Wimbledon for a reasonably good fee. This is where he made his faux pas of saying that he was pleased to be joining a ''professional'' club. Cue uproar in the Rovers end. It's fair to say that he never made his mark at Wimbledon, and quite soon went to Brentford . . . and then on to Torquay (on loan) where he continued his downward spiral. He contracted a debilitating illness (I think glandular fever, but I could be wrong), and was going nowhere fast. Step in the recently appointed manager of BRFC Gerry Francis, who splashed out £10,000 of his own money (in the form of a loan to BRFC) to bring Holloway back to Bristol. This is where the ''Glory Years'' took off from . . . . . . and continued until Gerry Francis Mk I (eventually) departed to manage QPR. This had a very unsettling effect on Ian, who (I believe) had a transfer request turned down by the Board. In any event, and showing the kind of tenacity that we all recognise he took himself off to London, and negotiated (and signed) a contract with Francis and QPR. All well and good, except that BRFC still held his registration as a player, and had not been consulted prior to the contract being signed. In the ensuing hoo-ha Gerry Francis was quoted in the Bristol Evening Post as saying that he was ''embarrassed'' by events, and instructed Holloway to sort out his contractual difficulties with BRFC. As we all now know, the transfer did go ahead but Ian Holloway lost a lot of goodwill amongst quite a number of supporters. Players power you see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 17:46:53 GMT
I agree Briz football is all about money,just like the rest of the country,but what did Ollie do wrong,Joner was on his second spell as well. What i am poorly getting at is that certain players have earnt the right to have some of their bad points overlooked, but i still can't remember anything that Ollie did wrong first time round,unless you mean wanting a transfer,and i thought Gerry took Ollie to QPR with Yeates,i must be getting old memory is going I don't know that Ian did anything wrong meadgas, but what he did do is to prove the point that I'm attempting to make. He was always a particular type of player even as a youngster, today he would probably be tagged as ''gobby.'' It was most probably something that he inherited from his father, who was also not backwards in coming forwards . . . if you get my drift. I remember that on one occasion Ian was playing in a reserve team game at Eastville, and not playing very well at all. I offered some observations from the safety of the South Enclosure, because despite his lack of form he continued to harangue his teammates. This has become one of his trademarks of course, and one which we have all become used to, and admire. But that is not something that you necessarily wanted to see in a young(ish) player. Needless to say Ian continued to ''gob off,'' and his dad and I exchanged our different points of view. But all of that is an indulgent walk down Memory Lane on my part. So back to facts. I forget whether Ian requested a transfer (but I believe that he did), but he was transferred to Wimbledon for a reasonably good fee. This is where he made his faux pas of saying that he was pleased to be joining a ''professional'' club. Cue uproar in the Rovers end. It's fair to say that he never made his mark at Wimbledon, and quite soon went to Brentford . . . and then on to Torquay (on loan) where he continued his downward spiral. He contracted a debilitating illness (I think glandular fever, but I could be wrong), and was going nowhere fast. Step in the recently appointed manager of BRFC Gerry Francis, who splashed out £10,000 of his own money (in the form of a loan to BRFC) to bring Holloway back to Bristol. This is where the ''Glory Years'' took off from . . . . . . and continued until Gerry Francis Mk I (eventually) departed to manage QPR. This had a very unsettling effect on Ian, who (I believe) had a transfer request turned down by the Board. In any event, and showing the kind of tenacity that we all recognise he took himself off to London, and negotiated (and signed) a contract with Francis and QPR. All well and good, except that BRFC still held his registration as a player, and had not been consulted prior to the contract being signed. In the ensuing hoo-ha Gerry Francis was quoted in the Bristol Evening Post as saying that he was ''embarrassed'' by events, and instructed Holloway to sort out his contractual difficulties with BRFC. As we all now know, the transfer did go ahead but Ian Holloway lost a lot of goodwill amongst quite a number of supporters. Players power you see. I honestly can't remember about this transfer,i thought a club had to have permission to talk to another clubs player let alone sign a contract,not doubting your facts. I love Ollie i soppose and can't see no wrong in him,a bit like my sons when they were kids . When i read Ollies book he said he had his illness at the Dons but didn't know,i will have to read it again to be sure though. Nothing wrong with an indulgent trip down memory lane either.I miss going to reserve games watching the likes of Garry Mabbutt coming through
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Post by brizzle on Oct 24, 2014 15:16:14 GMT
I don't know that Ian did anything wrong meadgas, but what he did do is to prove the point that I'm attempting to make. He was always a particular type of player even as a youngster, today he would probably be tagged as ''gobby.'' It was most probably something that he inherited from his father, who was also not backwards in coming forwards . . . if you get my drift. I remember that on one occasion Ian was playing in a reserve team game at Eastville, and not playing very well at all. I offered some observations from the safety of the South Enclosure, because despite his lack of form he continued to harangue his teammates. This has become one of his trademarks of course, and one which we have all become used to, and admire. But that is not something that you necessarily wanted to see in a young(ish) player. Needless to say Ian continued to ''gob off,'' and his dad and I exchanged our different points of view. But all of that is an indulgent walk down Memory Lane on my part. So back to facts. I forget whether Ian requested a transfer (but I believe that he did), but he was transferred to Wimbledon for a reasonably good fee. This is where he made his faux pas of saying that he was pleased to be joining a ''professional'' club. Cue uproar in the Rovers end. It's fair to say that he never made his mark at Wimbledon, and quite soon went to Brentford . . . and then on to Torquay (on loan) where he continued his downward spiral. He contracted a debilitating illness (I think glandular fever, but I could be wrong), and was going nowhere fast. Step in the recently appointed manager of BRFC Gerry Francis, who splashed out £10,000 of his own money (in the form of a loan to BRFC) to bring Holloway back to Bristol. This is where the ''Glory Years'' took off from . . . . . . and continued until Gerry Francis Mk I (eventually) departed to manage QPR. This had a very unsettling effect on Ian, who (I believe) had a transfer request turned down by the Board. In any event, and showing the kind of tenacity that we all recognise he took himself off to London, and negotiated (and signed) a contract with Francis and QPR. All well and good, except that BRFC still held his registration as a player, and had not been consulted prior to the contract being signed. In the ensuing hoo-ha Gerry Francis was quoted in the Bristol Evening Post as saying that he was ''embarrassed'' by events, and instructed Holloway to sort out his contractual difficulties with BRFC. As we all now know, the transfer did go ahead but Ian Holloway lost a lot of goodwill amongst quite a number of supporters. Players power you see. I honestly can't remember about this transfer,i thought a club had to have permission to talk to another clubs player let alone sign a contract,not doubting your facts. I love Ollie i soppose and can't see no wrong in him,a bit like my sons when they were kids . When i read Ollies book he said he had his illness at the Dons but didn't know,i will have to read it again to be sure though. Nothing wrong with an indulgent trip down memory lane either. I miss going to reserve games watching the likes of Garry Mabbutt coming throughTalking of Gary Mabbutt meadgas, were you ever fortunate enough to watch his father Ray, play for us? It seemed to me that he was an ever-present in the Rovers starting XI for many years, and although he didn't have the star persona of some other teammates, he was always well-regarded on the terraces. It was reported that he kept himself extremely fit and that always showed in his performances, particularly on the heavy pitches that Eastville was famous for at that time. It was a real shame that Ray's career with BRFC ended in acrimony the way that it did, but some good came out of it because he wouldn't allow his eldest son (Kevin) to come to us, but insisted that he join the other mob. And in the fullness of time Gary wouldn't go south of the river because he didn't want to be overshadowed by his ''big time'' brother. So all's well that ends well, eh? My biggest memory of Gary was how high he could jump from a static position, his legs just seemed to unleash themselves like a frogs legs do. I believe that Terry Cooper did wonders for the young Gary Mabbutt, coaching-wise that is. But Gary proved to be a treasure for BRFC, it was just a shame that he didn't stay with us longer than he did. I always hoped that he might return one day, but that hope seems remote now.
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Post by Mario Balotelli on Oct 24, 2014 15:22:06 GMT
I didn't see it. I thought Danny Coles was far and away the best player on the pitch today, even if he did celebrate his goal distastefully. I don't understand why he got abuse while the dickhead Pipe got applause, either. Pipe getting applauded every time we come across him confuses me as well. Rubbish player who shamed the club Pipe wasn't rubbish though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 18:01:24 GMT
Pipe getting applauded every time we come across him confuses me as well. Rubbish player who shamed the club Pipe wasn't rubbish though. He was, miscontrolling the ball then clattering the player that picks it up much to the joy of everyone does not a good player make.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 20:05:01 GMT
I honestly can't remember about this transfer,i thought a club had to have permission to talk to another clubs player let alone sign a contract,not doubting your facts. I love Ollie i soppose and can't see no wrong in him,a bit like my sons when they were kids . When i read Ollies book he said he had his illness at the Dons but didn't know,i will have to read it again to be sure though. Nothing wrong with an indulgent trip down memory lane either. I miss going to reserve games watching the likes of Garry Mabbutt coming throughTalking of Gary Mabbutt meadgas, were you ever fortunate enough to watch his father Ray, play for us? It seemed to me that he was an ever-present in the Rovers starting XI for many years, and although he didn't have the star persona of some other teammates, he was always well-regarded on the terraces. It was reported that he kept himself extremely fit and that always showed in his performances, particularly on the heavy pitches that Eastville was famous for at that time. It was a real shame that Ray's career with BRFC ended in acrimony the way that it did, but some good came out of it because he wouldn't allow his eldest son (Kevin) to come to us, but insisted that he join the other mob. And in the fullness of time Gary wouldn't go south of the river because he didn't want to be overshadowed by his ''big time'' brother. So all's well that ends well, eh? My biggest memory of Gary was how high he could jump from a static position, his legs just seemed to unleash themselves like a frogs legs do. I believe that Terry Cooper did wonders for the young Gary Mabbutt, coaching-wise that is. But Gary proved to be a treasure for BRFC, it was just a shame that he didn't stay with us longer than he did. I always hoped that he might return one day, but that hope seems remote now. Yes i watched Ray and Johny Petts in midfield but i was a young un and can't remember an actual game,my aunt June used to babysit the Mabbutt boys when they were kids so always had an interest in both,but Gary was the better player,all be it his brother was a very good footballer. When i first watched Garry he was playing as a striker and a good one at that,always remember a goal he scored ,but can't recall who against,when he knocked it over the centrebacks head and hit a volley as it dropped just the other side of him from the edge of the box,great goal. I often wondered just how good a striker he may have been,but was international class as a centreback so he never really had the chance. Oh for a couple like him now
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Post by Newton Abbot Gas on Oct 24, 2014 21:02:34 GMT
I honestly can't remember about this transfer,i thought a club had to have permission to talk to another clubs player let alone sign a contract,not doubting your facts. I love Ollie i soppose and can't see no wrong in him,a bit like my sons when they were kids . When i read Ollies book he said he had his illness at the Dons but didn't know,i will have to read it again to be sure though. Nothing wrong with an indulgent trip down memory lane either. I miss going to reserve games watching the likes of Garry Mabbutt coming throughTalking of Gary Mabbutt meadgas, were you ever fortunate enough to watch his father Ray, play for us? It seemed to me that he was an ever-present in the Rovers starting XI for many years, and although he didn't have the star persona of some other teammates, he was always well-regarded on the terraces. It was reported that he kept himself extremely fit and that always showed in his performances, particularly on the heavy pitches that Eastville was famous for at that time. It was a real shame that Ray's career with BRFC ended in acrimony the way that it did, but some good came out of it because he wouldn't allow his eldest son (Kevin) to come to us, but insisted that he join the other mob. And in the fullness of time Gary wouldn't go south of the river because he didn't want to be overshadowed by his ''big time'' brother. So all's well that ends well, eh? My biggest memory of Gary was how high he could jump from a static position, his legs just seemed to unleash themselves like a frogs legs do. I believe that Terry Cooper did wonders for the young Gary Mabbutt, coaching-wise that is. But Gary proved to be a treasure for BRFC, it was just a shame that he didn't stay with us longer than he did. I always hoped that he might return one day, but that hope seems remote now.
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Post by Newton Abbot Gas on Oct 24, 2014 21:12:06 GMT
I remember watching Ray Mabbutt many a season back in the day.Ray could play in any position i can remember that he played CF against Northampton away and hit 3 in a 5-4 win and the next weeks home game he hit another hatrick and as for Gary well he was different class.
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Post by warwickgas on Oct 24, 2014 21:38:46 GMT
Ray Mabbutt- my favourite player ! The complete midffield player, although called a "wing half" in those days. Yes, he could play anywhete - and excell. Bert Tann was the manager and some of Ray's best goals came from the "Tann Plan" free kick routine whereall the attackers would all run towards the fre kick taker dragging all the defenders with them, leaving huge spacebehind for Ray to receive the ball lofted over all their heads and head past the keeper with not a defender in sight. Lots of different Tann Plans in those days. Who remembers "shoot on sight ?"
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Post by brizzle on Oct 25, 2014 12:29:54 GMT
Ray Mabbutt- my favourite player ! The complete midffield player, although called a "wing half" in those days. Yes, he could play anywhete - and excell. Bert Tann was the manager and some of Ray's best goals came from the "Tann Plan" free kick routine whereall the attackers would all run towards the fre kick taker dragging all the defenders with them, leaving huge spacebehind for Ray to receive the ball lofted over all their heads and head past the keeper with not a defender in sight. Lots of different Tann Plans in those days. Who remembers "shoot on sight ?"I think that Bobby Jones may have taken that one a little too literally. Bobby was one of my favourite players, wholehearted and courageous, but the problem was that you never knew exactly what he was likely to do when shooting at the goal. The corner flags were always under threat. But he did score goals, and plenty of them too. He always seemed to be bursting either down the wing or down the middle, and must have been very strong physically. What we could do with a player like him now, and picked up from local football too, like so many others from that era. Wholehearted and honest. Can anyone else remember singing along to The Equals hit song Viva Bobby Joe, with the Joe sung as Jones? I read on here a while ago that he wasn't in the best of health, I hope that he's feeling a little better now.
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Post by PessimistGas on Oct 25, 2014 13:32:19 GMT
I think there are some really interesting arguments regarding Coles (or any footballer really) neither the fans nor player help themselves. You can’t scream blue murder at a player and complain should they give some back
I don’t think we have to hate Danny Coles, and we certainly don’t have to hero worship him. He should just be another player. The juxtaposition when compared to the reception Pipe got is staggering.
Danny Coles’ problem is he doesn’t seem to have learnt and he seems to carry on winding people up the wrong way. After all the fuss about offering out a fan in the car park on twitter when he was here, you’d think he (and hypocrites like Rio Ferdinand) would think twice about what they do/don’t do. No instead he got himself in more hot water at Exeter doing similar and gave them a reason to get rid of him. Unfortunately whether wound up by fans or not, it only takes one reaction by a player and people think you are a knobhead. Coles at Exeter just re-enforced a view of him that he himself helped create rightly or wrongly
Danny went from the guy that was Agent Coles to a guy that no one really cares for at all
If Barry Hayles would have come back and scored at the Mem do you think he would have been abused? What sort of reception did Rickie Lambert get when he came back? Craig Disley? IMO there is a difference between these genuine Rovers legends, both model professionals and nice guys, and a pr!ck like Danny Coles.
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 25, 2014 13:45:02 GMT
I dont think Coles is a legend or anything. Bit of an idiot who has done himself no favours anywhere, unlike a thug who got applauded around the ground
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Post by PessimistGas on Oct 25, 2014 13:48:17 GMT
I dont think Coles is a legend or anything. Bit of an idiot who has done himself no favours anywhere, unlike a thug who got applauded around the ground Don't get the Pipe thing either. I guess because his was incredibly popular due to his tremendously high work rate and all action style which somewhat offest his actual lack of ability. Sinclair anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 10:13:37 GMT
Pipe wasn't rubbish though. He was, miscontrolling the ball then clattering the player that picks it up much to the joy of everyone does not a good player make. Yeah, that was his whole game. Giving the ball to the other bloke, then giving away a free kick.
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