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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 16:13:33 GMT
Saw him in the carpark after drinking a corona and calling 14 year old kids ****s.
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Post by LPGas on Oct 19, 2014 16:52:07 GMT
I'd love to see him in the car park! Absolute tosser
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 0:23:55 GMT
He was a fool when he played for us He is still a fool now he plays for FGR He will always be a fool. Nasty piece of work, just the sort of player we need, as we are to nice and powderpuff he wasnt so great,3 of our chances were headers so where the hell was he?
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Post by The Man from Del Monte on Oct 20, 2014 10:35:15 GMT
Football is an incredibly short career and Coles will soon come to a point where he will have to decide what he wants to do next.
He has a problem though. He has a reputation. He has burnt bridges with literally every club he has been at.
He will have to live with that. It might not mean much to him (maybe it does? Who knows) but if I had nothing to show for 20 years of work on the field from the people who I tried to entertain then that would stick with me. It would hurt me.
He only has himself to blame.
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Post by nailseaglassgas on Oct 20, 2014 10:39:29 GMT
Nasty piece of work, just the sort of player we need, as we are to nice and powderpuff he wasnt so great,3 of our chances were headers so where the hell was he? Did not say he was great, just a nasty piece of work, and we are to nice
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 11:26:19 GMT
he wasnt so great,3 of our chances were headers so where the hell was he? Did not say he was great, just a nasty piece of work, and we are to nice out of trotman,parkes,lockyer and coles which 2 would you pick?
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Post by nailseaglassgas on Oct 20, 2014 16:10:32 GMT
Did not say he was great, just a nasty piece of work, and we are to nice out of trotman,parkes,lockyer and coles which 2 would you pick? Would not have Coles anywhere near the team, but we need someone of his demeanour especially in the middle, we are just to nice Answer to question, as it stands Trotman and Parkes, with them looking over their shoulder at Lockyer
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Post by brizzle on Oct 20, 2014 16:36:18 GMT
Football is an incredibly short career and Coles will soon come to a point where he will have to decide what he wants to do next. He has a problem though. He has a reputation. He has burnt bridges with literally every club he has been at. He will have to live with that. It might not mean much to him (maybe it does? Who knows) but if I had nothing to show for 20 years of work on the field from the people who I tried to entertain then that would stick with me. It would hurt me. He only has himself to blame. I like this post a lot Del Monte, because what it does is to put the onus back on Danny Coles himself, and what he should be thinking about himself and his career. I would imagine that on the surface at least he is content, but is nagged by the knowledge that he could have done an awful lot better on every level. Like many others I was delighted that he agreed to join us, but it never really worked out that well for either side. And I think that if Danny was honest with himself, then he would probably accept that he may well not have made this most of his professional career and talents. But he has rubbed along OK, and probably made a reasonable living out of it, but as you say he has come up short. Perhaps he just needed a better agent, eh?
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 22, 2014 12:26:32 GMT
On the FGR website (match report)
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Post by irishrover on Oct 22, 2014 13:13:04 GMT
I think Coles problem was that he was overpaid and didn't really live up to expectations which were probably too high. Also personality wise he wasn't what people wanted - I think a lot of people thought that a lifelong gashead would bond with the supporters easily in an era when we didn't really have any local player but he just wasn't that sort of character and I think that was bit unfairly held against him.
But the real truth behind Coles is that I think he has had a very frustrating career. The move to Hull was supposed to be the starting point for a career at the highest levels - people thought he was that good at one stage but the nasty knee injury that nearly did for his career when he was at Hull meant that he just wasn't the same player after that. I was told that with us he couldn't train properly and it took him days to recover from a game. His mobility wasn't very good and that's what he relied on. I imagine not being able to do the things that you took for granted is extremely frustrating for a professional and then to get accusations of not caring and being mercenary when you're working you're ass off recovering and in genuine pain a lot of the time is probably quite difficult to take so I'm not surprised Coles gets pissed off with our fans. I've heard him get fearsome stick when he was with us and when he came back with Exeter - I don't think any fans have the right to moan if players that are taking abuse give a bit back in moments like this; it's part of the game.
I've met him - he seemed like a nice guy. Nearly everyone I know who's met him says the same thing. I kind of think we sometimes live in a world as football fans where all players are either heroes or villains and there's no middle ground. Danny Coles was a dissapointment at Rovers but I don't really see why he deserves the abuse he gets.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 22, 2014 13:46:09 GMT
I think Coles problem was that he was overpaid and didn't really live up to expectations which were probably too high. Also personality wise he wasn't what people wanted - I think a lot of people thought that a lifelong gashead would bond with the supporters easily in an era when we didn't really have any local player but he just wasn't that sort of character and I think that was bit unfairly held against him. But the real truth behind Coles is that I think he has had a very frustrating career. The move to Hull was supposed to be the starting point for a career at the highest levels - people thought he was that good at one stage but the nasty knee injury that nearly did for his career when he was at Hull meant that he just wasn't the same player after that. I was told that with us he couldn't train properly and it took him days to recover from a game. His mobility wasn't very good and that's what he relied on. I imagine not being able to do the things that you took for granted is extremely frustrating for a professional and then to get accusations of not caring and being mercenary when you're working you're ass off recovering and in genuine pain a lot of the time is probably quite difficult to take so I'm not surprised Coles gets pissed off with our fans. I've heard him get fearsome stick when he was with us and when he came back with Exeter - I don't think any fans have the right to moan if players that are taking abuse give a bit back in moments like this; it's part of the game. I've met him - he seemed like a nice guy. Nearly everyone I know who's met him says the same thing. I kind of think we sometimes live in a world as football fans where all players are either heroes or villains and there's no middle ground. Danny Coles was a dissapointment at Rovers but I don't really see why he deserves the abuse he gets. You could almost say the same thing about Ian Holloway of course, using exactly the same type of illustration as the one about Danny Coles. To the majority of BRFC supporters, Ian Holloway is a hero of superhuman proportions, and nothing will ever be allowed to alter or influence that. But to others (older supporters with longer memories, and a greater sense of history, proportion and perspective), he is regarded as a very good player for the club, but who always put his own interests first. Now there's nothing wrong with that at all by the way, given the state of professional football as it is today you would have to say that it was extremely understandable, and quite acceptable. But it has not always been as it is today, in fact relations between players and their clubs are an awful lot different today, compared to what they had been previous to that.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 22, 2014 14:17:08 GMT
Yes I think that's a fair analogy - people want heros and Ollie fits the bill and is very good at playing up to it. I don't really have much of a problem with that (kind of what football's about right?) but there are some things which Ollie deserves criticism on and is given a gentle ride by Rovers fans for actions other managers were hauled over the coals for - swearing at your own supporters being one of them.
The fact is though it's all well and good being misty eyed and saying the bonds between supporters and players were stronger in the days when they were all locals and got the bus to the ground with the fans etc - that's true and it's completely understandable to lament the passing of those bonds. But that era had it's darkside too in the sense that players were being paid way less than their value due to clubs running football as a cartel and generally treating their players and ex-players like crap; I believe Geoff Bradford's departure from Rovers is often used as an A1 example of that. It's about incentives really - under maximum wage and the way clubs operated then there was very little incentive to move because the money wasn't really worth it especially considering that people moved around less generally so uprooting family was a far bigger deal than it is now. I'm sure if players had the same incentives to move then as they do now a lot of them would have done - football was an even shorter insecure career back then after all. Danny Coles has done a pretty good job of making a living out of the game for as long as he has - a lot of players wave the white flag after getting the injury he did because it's a hell of a sacrifice the effort you need to put in to get on the pitch with a knee that is essentially knackered and I can completely understand why it would really grate with you if your own fans (particularly of your boyhood club) started claiming that you didn't care; which was the crux of the criticism he used to get I seem to remember.
I also think it's a personality thing - Coles doesn't strike me as very outgoing or very expressive; more a kind of calm almost aloof professional. I think people wanted to see more visible signs that playing for Rovers meant something to him and he's just not that kind of guy. With players like Holloway you can just feel the passion radiating off him, it's what he feed off but not everyone is like that. I'm not particularly defending Coles - it's fair to say he was a failure at Rovers but sadly a lot of players have failed at Rovers! I think he gets singled out because people were dissapointed that a local lad didn't live to their expectations and some of that I feel is a bit unfair though perhaps understandable.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Oct 22, 2014 14:33:45 GMT
... the nasty knee injury that nearly did for his career... I remember him scoring for Rovers at Stockport County. He immediately sprinted to the away dug-out (do we still call it that?) to embrace Phil Kite. I interpreted that as "thanks for helping with the rehabilitation". Sad that he no longer seems to have the same respect - probably for the reasons you mentioned.
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 22, 2014 14:50:30 GMT
I think there are some really interesting arguments regarding Coles (or any footballer really) neither the fans nor player help themselves. You can’t scream blue murder at a player and complain should they give some back
I don’t think we have to hate Danny Coles, and we certainly don’t have to hero worship him. He should just be another player. The juxtaposition when compared to the reception Pipe got is staggering.
Danny Coles’ problem is he doesn’t seem to have learnt and he seems to carry on winding people up the wrong way. After all the fuss about offering out a fan in the car park on twitter when he was here, you’d think he (and hypocrites like Rio Ferdinand) would think twice about what they do/don’t do. No instead he got himself in more hot water at Exeter doing similar and gave them a reason to get rid of him. Unfortunately whether wound up by fans or not, it only takes one reaction by a player and people think you are a knobhead. Coles at Exeter just re-enforced a view of him that he himself helped create rightly or wrongly
Danny went from the guy that was Agent Coles to a guy that no one really cares for at all
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Post by brizzle on Oct 22, 2014 15:04:58 GMT
I think there are some really interesting arguments regarding Coles (or any footballer really) neither the fans nor player help themselves. You can’t scream blue murder at a player and complain should they give some back
I don’t think we have to hate Danny Coles, and we certainly don’t have to hero worship him. He should just be another player. The juxtaposition when compared to the reception Pipe got is staggering.
Danny Coles’ problem is he doesn’t seem to have learnt and he seems to carry on winding people up the wrong way. After all the fuss about offering out a fan in the car park on twitter when he was here, you’d think he (and hypocrites like Rio Ferdinand) would think twice about what they do/don’t do. No instead he got himself in more hot water at Exeter doing similar and gave them a reason to get rid of him. Unfortunately whether wound up by fans or not, it only takes one reaction by a player and people think you are a knobhead. Coles at Exeter just re-enforced a view of him that he himself helped create rightly or wrongly
Danny went from the guy that was Agent Coles to a guy that no one really cares for at all
But when you say that ''he doesn’t seem to have learnt,'' I really believe that he just doesn't care. Some people don't.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 22, 2014 17:37:38 GMT
I think Coles problem was that he was overpaid and didn't really live up to expectations which were probably too high. Also personality wise he wasn't what people wanted - I think a lot of people thought that a lifelong gashead would bond with the supporters easily in an era when we didn't really have any local player but he just wasn't that sort of character and I think that was bit unfairly held against him. But the real truth behind Coles is that I think he has had a very frustrating career. The move to Hull was supposed to be the starting point for a career at the highest levels - people thought he was that good at one stage but the nasty knee injury that nearly did for his career when he was at Hull meant that he just wasn't the same player after that. I was told that with us he couldn't train properly and it took him days to recover from a game. His mobility wasn't very good and that's what he relied on. I imagine not being able to do the things that you took for granted is extremely frustrating for a professional and then to get accusations of not caring and being mercenary when you're working you're ass off recovering and in genuine pain a lot of the time is probably quite difficult to take so I'm not surprised Coles gets pissed off with our fans. I've heard him get fearsome stick when he was with us and when he came back with Exeter - I don't think any fans have the right to moan if players that are taking abuse give a bit back in moments like this; it's part of the game. I've met him - he seemed like a nice guy. Nearly everyone I know who's met him says the same thing. I kind of think we sometimes live in a world as football fans where all players are either heroes or villains and there's no middle ground. Danny Coles was a dissapointment at Rovers but I don't really see why he deserves the abuse he gets. You could almost say the same thing about Ian Holloway of course, using exactly the same type of illustration as the one about Danny Coles. To the majority of BRFC supporters, Ian Holloway is a hero of superhuman proportions, and nothing will ever be allowed to alter or influence that. But to others (older supporters with longer memories, and a greater sense of history, proportion and perspective), he is regarded as a very good player for the club, but who always put his own interests first. Now there's nothing wrong with that at all by the way, given the state of professional football as it is today you would have to say that it was extremely understandable, and quite acceptable. But it has not always been as it is today, in fact relations between players and their clubs are an awful lot different today, compared to what they had been previous to that. Great post. Very true.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 14:19:59 GMT
There is no comparison between Olly and Coles when it comes to playing for Rovers,one was a major part of the best team i have watched under Gerry Francis,gave his all for the shirt,did not let threatening phone calls or abuse stop him playing well down the City ground. Thats the reason he is a Legend for me. Coles is just another Rovers player who didn't achieve much with us,would not give him abuse because i couldn't care less who he plays for
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Post by irishrover on Oct 23, 2014 14:33:17 GMT
There is no comparison between Olly and Coles when it comes to playing for Rovers,one was a major part of the best team i have watched under Gerry Francis,gave his all for the shirt,did not let threatening phone calls or abuse stop him playing well down the City ground. Thats the reason he is a Legend for me. Coles is just another Rovers player who didn't achieve much with us,would not give him abuse because i couldn't care less who he plays for I don't think anyone was making that comparison. What we were saying is that a lot of the time players are either heroes or villain's and there's no middle ground and often the praise/criticism can be over the top, which can create a double standard. Point being that with Ollie some of the hero worship he gets results in people being willing to overlook mistakes/bad behaviour on his part that others get villified for. He got much more leeway and benefit of the doubt than other players and managers and when people remember him they nearly always remember the good bits and ignore the bad; and they don't want to hear it when people point some of this out. With someone like Coles it's kind of the other way round - all his faults are magnified because he's perceived as the villain - the guy who didn't care, the guy who didn't connect with the fans etc. Therefore he never gets any benefit of the doubt and people are even actively looking for reasons to dislike him. My point is that Coles failed at Rovers but so have a lot of people; he had a testy relationship with fans who he felt were wrongly acusing him of not caring enough - so have others over the years. Yet he always seems to get a disproportionate amount of abuse compared with others so much so that someone told me that members of his Rovers supporting family felt they couldn't go to Rovers games anymore because they felt unwelcome (I have no idea if this is true by the way - just something somebody told me second hand). I just think it's a mirror image of the kind of adoration Ollie gets is all - not a perfect one but I think it's there.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 23, 2014 15:15:57 GMT
There is no comparison between Olly and Coles when it comes to playing for Rovers,one was a major part of the best team i have watched under Gerry Francis,gave his all for the shirt,did not let threatening phone calls or abuse stop him playing well down the City ground. Thats the reason he is a Legend for me. Coles is just another Rovers player who didn't achieve much with us,would not give him abuse because i couldn't care less who he plays for But the point that I was trying to make was that Ian Holloway's Rovers career started a full seven years before Gerry Francis even brought him back home to Rovers. And if you know your history you would surely agree that Ian Holloway was relieved to come back (as by his own admission at the time, he was in a bad way), and we were equally glad to see him back. But the point is that his Rovers career didn't begin with Gerry Francis bringing him home to Bristol and re-invigorating him, because that was his second period with us. To get a full insight then you have to look at all of his periods with the club, not just the one that suits. But I think that everyone would agree with you on Ian's time with the club under Gerry Francis Mk I, but the issues re-emerged when Francis left for QPR, wouldn't you agree? I for one could certainly never accept the way that he left BRFC for QPR in the summer of 1991 (and neither could Gerry Francis himself it was reported at the time). But none of this should detract from Ian Holloway's achievements for the club (and himself) in the ''Golden Era.'' Thankfully his managerial career with BRFC is for another thread, if we can bear it again. By comparison Danny Coles is an ''also-ran,'' and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as some of our more illustrious players . . . and yes, we've had a few. But in my eyes, to be considered to be an illustrious player, then you have to have had blue blood running through your veins, and sadly in the age of the football mercenary (and I mean no disrespect to anyone by that, as it's a fact of modern life), that is no longer possible.
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Post by dagnogo on Oct 23, 2014 15:23:03 GMT
Beyond comparison. Danny never assembled a relegation team...
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