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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 16:33:14 GMT
Look I can also do it! Play the ball not the man Curly Wurly, what's your response to the idiotic posts to which I have reacted? Or would you rather avoid the issue and concentrate on my mental health? No, I won't avoid the issue. I don't find the posts idiotic at all, but I do get the irony in the romanticisation of the hooligan activities of previous generations, when placed against the recent furore regarding the events at the Mansfield game, etc.. Pressure Drop's accounts are part of the football folklore at this club and similar experiences are recorded for most of the serious clubs in the country. Having grown up watching football in the late 60s, 70s and 80s, everyone was aware of the violence, even if (like me) you didn't partake. With it there are plenty of anecdotes that have become popular in literary form, including the same Chris Brown's "Bovver" and hundreds of others in the genre. Another (poignant) example of this romanticism appears in the Post today www.bristolpost.co.uk/Hundreds-say-good-bye-loved-Bristol-City-fan-Mark/story-23237371-detail/story.html"After leaving the family home in Bedminster Down, Mark’s coffin was driven past the Miners Arms pub, where his friends applauded and proudly held up a flag of the City Service Firm, of which he had been a proud member." I think the fact that Dave Jeal, ex-Rovers hooligan now club chaplain officiated puts this whole subject in it's proper context. But do you find that idiotic too? Yes, goes to show how ridiculously seriously people take themselves and their football clubs. incidently what on earth led you to re read and edit your post 10 hours after the original?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 18, 2014 16:53:20 GMT
No, I won't avoid the issue. I don't find the posts idiotic at all, but I do get the irony in the romanticisation of the hooligan activities of previous generations, when placed against the recent furore regarding the events at the Mansfield game, etc.. Pressure Drop's accounts are part of the football folklore at this club and similar experiences are recorded for most of the serious clubs in the country. Having grown up watching football in the late 60s, 70s and 80s, everyone was aware of the violence, even if (like me) you didn't partake. With it there are plenty of anecdotes that have become popular in literary form, including the same Chris Brown's "Bovver" and hundreds of others in the genre. Another (poignant) example of this romanticism appears in the Post today www.bristolpost.co.uk/Hundreds-say-good-bye-loved-Bristol-City-fan-Mark/story-23237371-detail/story.html"After leaving the family home in Bedminster Down, Mark’s coffin was driven past the Miners Arms pub, where his friends applauded and proudly held up a flag of the City Service Firm, of which he had been a proud member." I think the fact that Dave Jeal, ex-Rovers hooligan now club chaplain officiated puts this whole subject in it's proper context. But do you find that idiotic too? Yes, goes to show how ridiculously seriously people take themselves and their football clubs. incidently what on earth led you to re read and edit your post 10 hours after the original? Like it or not, Football and the fans that follow it, is a tribal thing. As human beings we are predisposed to this just that some can control those primal callings. It is what it is, you can get angry about it but it won't stop it. Many of the friends I have, are friendships forged in the battles that we had whether in the terraces or on the playground of youth. Have you never given pause to wonder why it is that us men become friends with those we have tested in "battle" ? Serious question.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 19, 2014 20:32:13 GMT
No, I won't avoid the issue. I don't find the posts idiotic at all, but I do get the irony in the romanticisation of the hooligan activities of previous generations, when placed against the recent furore regarding the events at the Mansfield game, etc.. Pressure Drop's accounts are part of the football folklore at this club and similar experiences are recorded for most of the serious clubs in the country. Having grown up watching football in the late 60s, 70s and 80s, everyone was aware of the violence, even if (like me) you didn't partake. With it there are plenty of anecdotes that have become popular in literary form, including the same Chris Brown's "Bovver" and hundreds of others in the genre. Another (poignant) example of this romanticism appears in the Post today www.bristolpost.co.uk/Hundreds-say-good-bye-loved-Bristol-City-fan-Mark/story-23237371-detail/story.html"After leaving the family home in Bedminster Down, Mark’s coffin was driven past the Miners Arms pub, where his friends applauded and proudly held up a flag of the City Service Firm, of which he had been a proud member." I think the fact that Dave Jeal, ex-Rovers hooligan now club chaplain officiated puts this whole subject in it's proper context. But do you find that idiotic too? Yes, goes to show how ridiculously seriously people take themselves and their football clubs. incidently what on earth led you to re read and edit your post 10 hours after the original? Correcting my punctuation?!?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 18:52:29 GMT
Yes, goes to show how ridiculously seriously people take themselves and their football clubs. incidently what on earth led you to re read and edit your post 10 hours after the original? Correcting my punctuation?!? Well done 5/5.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 1:51:52 GMT
eastville memories for me were the amazing league cup runs of the 1970"s newcastle utd,norwich city,aston villa,man utd,,the brilliantly slick stoke city team,,floodlights running on the pitch after,exiting wingers graydon and jarman,,,i used to go with my dad it was fantastic
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Post by Captain Jayho on Oct 24, 2014 5:51:15 GMT
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who found the evening post's virtual lauding of the csf a bit inappropriate.
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Post by vaughan on Oct 24, 2014 12:26:39 GMT
Just a side-note on Eastville memories and football hooliganism. I watched on Youtube last night the original BBC Panorama documentary on Millwall from 1977 - Harry the Dog and the F Troop. Missed it first time around as, unlike Harry, I was busy doing my Latin homework via Kennedy's Primer followed by English Literature. Gutted to be told the next day that I had missed it. I was in the Tote on 5th November 1977 though, although very much out of harm's way. Have a look (easily found in Youtube archives). It's fascinating to understand the "dark" atmosphere of that era and the entrenched attitudes from the documentary. It's a classic social history portrayal.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 24, 2014 12:35:54 GMT
Back to the original post, I was looking at the FloydNello videos posted on Youtube. I don't quite remember it that way, but the last seasons at Eastville (especially after the fire) were particularly bleak. www.youtube.com/user/FloydNello/videosI also needed reminding that we were struggling to get crowds of 5500, even when near the top of Div 3 in 83/84.
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 24, 2014 12:54:00 GMT
Back to the original post, I was looking at the FloydNello videos posted on Youtube. I don't quite remember it that way, but the last seasons at Eastville (especially after the fire) were particularly bleak. www.youtube.com/user/FloydNello/videosI also needed reminding that we were struggling to get crowds of 5500, even when near the top of Div 3 in 83/84. At our last game at Eastville against Chesterfield there was barely 3,000 there! What was the reason for that I wonder?
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Post by badbloodash on Oct 24, 2014 14:56:33 GMT
Just a side-note on Eastville memories and football hooliganism. I watched on Youtube last night the original BBC Panorama documentary on Millwall from 1977 - Harry the Dog and the F Troop. Missed it first time around as, unlike Harry, I was busy doing my Latin homework via Kennedy's Primer followed by English Literature. Gutted to be told the next day that I had missed it. I was in the Tote on 5th November 1977 though, although very much out of harm's way. Have a look (easily found in Youtube archives). It's fascinating to understand the "dark" atmosphere of that era and the entrenched attitudes from the documentary. It's a classic social history portrayal. For many of my mates and me this was a real coming of age day punk rock was taking hold had left school in the summer of 77 I remember millwall were out early and us young uns were spotters as the day went on say many things I had not witnessed at a football match or indeed anywhere else after the game we headed into town as we all had tickets to see the clash at the exhibition centre one of the best concerts I have ever seen and then came out onto the centre to see world war three had broken out between rovers millwall bikers grebos and just has the old bill got it almost under control 2 coaches of s**theads got dropped off after playing forest away after leaving home at about 9 am I eventually got home after spending all my cash and having to walk to mangotsfield about 3 o clock ah those were the days meet people that day for the first time who are still good friends today
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:40:11 GMT
For many of my mates and me this was a real coming of age day punk rock was taking hold had left school in the summer of 77 I remember millwall were out early and us young uns were spotters as the day went on say many things I had not witnessed at a football match or indeed anywhere else after the game we headed into town as we all had tickets to see the clash at the exhibition centre one of the best concerts I have ever seen and then came out onto the centre to see world war three had broken out between rovers millwall bikers grebos and just has the old bill got it almost under control 2 coaches of s***heads got dropped off after playing forest away after leaving home at about 9 am I eventually got home after spending all my cash and having to walk to mangotsfield about 3 o clock ah those were the days meet people that day for the first time who are still good friends today I have very similar memories of that day,after the match we went back to the Surrey wine vaults a filthy back street cider pub near Portland square,later we walked through the centre to the exhibition centre. Millwall were in the Drawbridge on the centre and rushed out throwing glasses and there was fighting from the Drawbridge to the exhibition centre,as you say a brilliant gig ( and I don't like the Clash much or music in general,but it was a great night). I find these days that match days lack atmosphere ,the singing is a pale imitation of the 60s / 70s,and football is a very safe ( and quite boring) place to spend a Saturday afternoon,I am glad that I was about in the 70s and experienced it all as it was.
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Post by vaughan on Oct 24, 2014 17:47:03 GMT
Sex, Punk Rock and "rucking" for others
Latin, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales and the Green'Un (whilst waiting for Dick Emery or Two Ronnies) for me alas.
Maybe in my future lives, I will try to be more radical. I did graduate to Kool and the Gang, R&J's and the North Enclosure once I reached 17.
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Post by badbloodash on Oct 24, 2014 18:37:08 GMT
Sex, Punk Rock and "rucking" for others Latin, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales and the Green'Un (whilst waiting for Dick Emery or Two Ronnies) for me alas. Maybe in my future lives, I will try to be more radical. I did graduate to Kool and the Gang, R&J's and the North Enclosure once I reached 17. Veni vidi vici for all you philistines I came I saw I conquered pretty well sums up the eighties for me
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Post by aghast on Oct 24, 2014 21:25:37 GMT
I have never admired hooligans then or hooligans now, but in the 70s it was different. It just was the way it was, and a bit of aggro was par for the course and part of the experience. If you didn't want to get involved - which I didn't - it was easy enough to steer clear of the skirmishes. If you did want some 'action' then it was all there for you. That was the matchday experience. Watch the match, watch the away fans, watch your back. To younger family types going to games today, it would seem shocking, but it was 1970s life and we all accepted it. Running onto the pitch, abusing fans and players - normal. Some of it was a right laugh, some was scary, but all of it was inescapable as a fan on the Tote End in the 70s. I enjoyed it then, but wouldn't now.
The small minority of kids and oafs who have never grown up (except around the waist) who still want those days back are a problem for our club, since they can't seem to accept that what was tolerated 40 years ago is no longer acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 6:17:59 GMT
I have never admired hooligans then or hooligans now, but in the 70s it was different. It just was the way it was, and a bit of aggro was par for the course and part of the experience. If you didn't want to get involved - which I didn't - it was easy enough to steer clear of the skirmishes. If you did want some 'action' then it was all there for you. That was the matchday experience. Watch the match, watch the away fans, watch your back. To younger family types going to games today, it would seem shocking, but it was 1970s life and we all accepted it. Running onto the pitch, abusing fans and players - normal. Some of it was a right laugh, some was scary, but all of it was inescapable as a fan on the Tote End in the 70s. I enjoyed it then, but wouldn't now. The small minority of kids and oafs who have never grown up (except around the waist) who still want those days back are a problem for our club, since they can't seem to accept that what was tolerated 40 years ago is no longer acceptable. I agree you the times were very different,it seemed "rougher" then ?,and not just at football,I went into town once or twice a week and there was fighting most nights between rival football fans,people from different areas and coach loads of Welsh on nights out,there were pubs that you had to be very careful in. CCTV catches people who engage in that type of behaviour now but I don't know that it was "tolerated" even then ,people were arrested,fined made to go to attendance centres or imprisoned,I think that it was accepted though that certain places,pubs etc were trouble spots and that you avoided them if you weren't prepared for trouble. Of course nobody ( or virtually nobody) wants those violent times back,but it has to be said that the atmosphere was much better then,the Southampton cup game for instance ( and there was violence before,during and after),and dodgy away games at night...sadly I don't think the atmosphere of those days can be recreated,and kids trying to copy Italian Ultras etc just seem sad to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 17:27:14 GMT
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Oct 27, 2014 17:55:56 GMT
Well the dirge is called Tote end boys ?,and a large percentage of the Tote end boys were hooligans. Really? A small percentage were hooligans in my experience. I was a Tote End Boy and did no racist chants or holliganism. But I was once chucked out for sitting on the fence - walked round and went in the Muller Road End.
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Post by brizzle on Oct 27, 2014 18:04:58 GMT
Very good song in it's own right, but a very dodgy group. The song spawned many chants in the late 1960s and early 1970s, and I particularly remember an away trip to Plymouth (on the train) when it was sung as a form of anthem. Perhaps we'll have train travel again one day, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 18:58:07 GMT
Very good song in it's own right, but a very dodgy group. The song spawned many chants in the late 1960s and early 1970s, and I particularly remember an away trip to Plymouth (on the train) when it was sung as a form of anthem. Perhaps we'll have train travel again one day, eh? Yes,Steam,the group that 'sang' nanana hey hey goodbye never existed when the record was released!Mass panic brought on by the unexpected no1 hit so it seems.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 29, 2014 3:48:22 GMT
Don Megson's Loyal 5,000
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