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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 8, 2014 9:25:26 GMT
We should be winning games like this. We should be scoring more goals in games like this. So yes, I believe we can have it both ways and it is something we should be striving to achieve. Even DC has acknowledged this. Yes but is DC a good enough coach to sort it out ? We can't just blame the forwards for the lack of goals, we only create about 2/3 gilt-edged chances in a game and even Gary Lineker wouldn't get all 3 in a game !! For me it stems from the keeper and the back four - if they just boot it up-field anywhere it's just giving possession back to the opposition and our midfield are being by-passed and not given a chance to get in the game and set up attacks. I would defend the midfield - Mansell, Sinclair and Martin have creativity and composure but rarely get in the positions (through crap football from the back) to set some promising moves up/ or a through ball. I would also add that The Conference teams are generally very basic and poor on the ball like us but their defences have been better than I thought they would be (we are not gifted many goals !!). what do others think ? Agree with all that. We look so much better when we're playing it through midfield. After our decent run up to a few games ago, I thought we would continue to go from strength to strength, but istm we've gone backwards a bit over the last couple of games. If it's a blip, then it's excellent that we have still remained unbeaten during the blip. If it's a sign of things to come, though, then that is not so good. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 9:38:02 GMT
Yeah, I think we've gone backwards since Woking - who would have beaten us either last night or Saturday
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Oct 8, 2014 9:39:32 GMT
We should be winning games like this. We should be scoring more goals in games like this. So yes, I believe we can have it both ways and it is something we should be striving to achieve. Even DC has acknowledged this. Yes but is DC a good enough coach to sort it out ? We can't just blame the forwards for the lack of goals, we only create about 2/3 gilt-edged chances in a game and even Gary Lineker wouldn't get all 3 in a game !! For me it stems from the keeper and the back four - if they just boot it up-field anywhere it's just giving possession back to the opposition and our midfield are being by-passed and not given a chance to get in the game and set up attacks. I would defend the midfield - Mansell, Sinclair and Martin have creativity and composure but rarely get in the positions (through crap football from the back) to set some promising moves up/ or a through ball. I would also add that The Conference teams are generally very basic and poor on the ball like us but their defences have been better than I thought they would be (we are not gifted many goals !!). what do others think ? Any chance you could give DC a break mark? Are you aware who coaches the strikers because it certainly isn't DC job. We are a conference team now, tika taka football with high levels of possession just isn't going to happen, full backs with the ability to pass properly isn't going to happen, centre backs pinging superb 50 yard balls isn't going to happen, at the moment we have the character and the spirit that is grinding out results, we are 4th in the league, and IMO we are well above where i thought we would be. We've gone from 4 seasons on the bounce where we in and around the drop zone after 15 games, to being 4th in the league after 15 games. It's sad that winning football matches and watching a good bunch of players giving 100% with a manager desperate for promotion still isn't good enough. I dread to think what will happen the next time we lose, the forum will just explode. |
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 8, 2014 10:03:34 GMT
Yes but is DC a good enough coach to sort it out ? We can't just blame the forwards for the lack of goals, we only create about 2/3 gilt-edged chances in a game and even Gary Lineker wouldn't get all 3 in a game !! For me it stems from the keeper and the back four - if they just boot it up-field anywhere it's just giving possession back to the opposition and our midfield are being by-passed and not given a chance to get in the game and set up attacks. I would defend the midfield - Mansell, Sinclair and Martin have creativity and composure but rarely get in the positions (through crap football from the back) to set some promising moves up/ or a through ball. I would also add that The Conference teams are generally very basic and poor on the ball like us but their defences have been better than I thought they would be (we are not gifted many goals !!). what do others think ? Any chance you could give DC a break mark? Are you aware who coaches the strikers because it certainly isn't DC job. We are a conference team now, tika taka football with high levels of possession just isn't going to happen, full backs with the ability to pass properly isn't going to happen, centre backs pinging superb 50 yard balls isn't going to happen, at the moment we have the character and the spirit that is grinding out results, we are 4th in the league, and IMO we are well above where i thought we would be. We've gone from 4 seasons on the bounce where we in and around the drop zone after 15 games, to being 4th in the league after 15 games. It's sad that winning football matches and watching a good bunch of players giving 100% with a manager desperate for promotion still isn't good enough. I dread to think what will happen the next time we lose, the forum will just explode. Yes, but we seemed to play the long ball much less often last night than in previous games. Seemed to be a deliberate tactic, maybe DC recognised a weakness in the Dartford defence and set up to exploit it, which is fair enough as we looked threatening. The strikers are DC's job, whether he does the actual coaching himself or delegates its still his responsibility. Improving a striker's conversion rate is one of the hardest things to coach though, which is why successful strikers demand so much more money than successful defenders. I'm personally quite happy to see us grinding out results while we wait. Fact is, if we had put away any of our numerous chances in the first half - way more than 3 by my count - then the players, and the fans would not have been so nervous in the second half. |
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 8, 2014 10:04:30 GMT
Mark, I'd have to agree with Westcountry. After the shambles last season, surely you would have accepted where we are currently in the league table.
I'd agree that we have found defences difficult to break down and there is not a huge difference between Conference and L2 teams in many ways, but in my view this is partly due to the "cup final" effect. You only have to read what opposing fans or managers think of playing Bristol Rovers to realise they see this as one of their biggest fixtures (ever in some cases).
It would be great to see us winning by 3 or 4, but for now, I'm happy with grinding out single goal victories.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 8, 2014 11:15:56 GMT
Mark, I'd have to agree with Westcountry. After the shambles last season, surely you would have accepted where we are currently in the league table. I'd agree that we have found defences difficult to break down and there is not a huge difference between Conference and L2 teams in many ways, but in my view this is partly due to the "cup final" effect. You only have to read what opposing fans or managers think of playing Bristol Rovers to realise they see this as one of their biggest fixtures (ever in some cases). It would be great to see us winning by 3 or 4, but for now, I'm happy with grinding out single goal victories. I think we have to remember also, we do not have League 2 standard team. We didn't even have a league 2 standard team in league 2. We have a conference team. |
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Post by alloutofgas on Oct 8, 2014 12:04:15 GMT
The first priority of a football team is not to concede goals then you have a chance of winning. Compared to last season we are doing that admirably, mainly down to the superb Neil Trotman. I'm sure the goals will start to flow soon. What was that chant? "One nil, to the Arse en all"
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Post by irishrover on Oct 8, 2014 14:46:22 GMT
We are finding ways to win games - this is surely better than finding ways to lose them. I don't really understand why anyone can be unhappy with 7 wins in 8. Winning ugly is fine by me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 15:26:29 GMT
We are finding ways to win games - this is surely better than finding ways to lose them. I don't really understand why anyone can be unhappy with 7 wins in 8. Winning ugly is fine by me. 6 wins in 8 but I take your point. For my part I'm concerned at how long we can maintain this run of narrow wins, especially against the better teams, with the current playing resources that we have. I'm thrilled at our results since the start of last month. |
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