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Post by fromegas on Sept 17, 2014 18:27:03 GMT
Ten games played at on average of 1.7 points/game,over the season that would return 78/79 points. Would this be enough for play-offs.. Don't think we've hit any real form yet so hopefully things will continue to improve
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 17, 2014 20:58:42 GMT
Yes, it would have been enough last year (2013-14):
1 Luton Town 46 +67 101 2 Cambridge United 46 +37 82 3 Gateshead 46 +22 79 4 Grimsby Town 46 +19 78 5 FC Halifax Town 46 +27 77
But it would not have been enough in four of the 8 seasons between 2005-6 and 2012-13.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 18, 2014 5:29:40 GMT
If you discount the first three games then its 16 points from 21 with 5 wins, 1 drawn and 1 loss.
Thats the sort of form we should be looking to continue!
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Post by frenchgashead on Sept 18, 2014 5:47:50 GMT
I think we can be cautiously optimistic. The team seems to be settling in and in this division almost any team can beat any other (there's no Hyde this year!) I think we will be lucky to make the play-offs but that was a big ask at the first attempt. A good top half finish would be enough, even a season not thinking about relegation would be nice. We may have a dip inform at some point but we look to have enough to survive that.
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Post by Tonz on Sept 18, 2014 6:31:06 GMT
Hopefully the first few games were what we needed to 'gel' and the more recent games are a better indicator of how we will perform.
Providing the wheels don't come off I'm optimistic for a playoff finish.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Sept 18, 2014 8:50:24 GMT
If you discount the first three games then its 16 points from 21 with 5 wins, 1 drawn and 1 loss. Thats the sort of form we should be looking to continue! If we ignore the last game of last season are we still in League 2?
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Post by LJG on Sept 18, 2014 9:10:10 GMT
If you discount the first three games then its 16 points from 21 with 5 wins, 1 drawn and 1 loss. Thats the sort of form we should be looking to continue! CountyGround beat me to it - If we're discounting games why not the last one of last season?
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 18, 2014 9:14:42 GMT
If you discount the first three games then its 16 points from 21 with 5 wins, 1 drawn and 1 loss. Thats the sort of form we should be looking to continue! If we ignore the last game of last season are we still in League 2? Well if we're doing that why not ignore the last 60 years, we'd have an English international forward and be challenging to get into the 'Premiership' or in old money League Division 1
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 18, 2014 9:16:40 GMT
If you discount the first three games then its 16 points from 21 with 5 wins, 1 drawn and 1 loss. Thats the sort of form we should be looking to continue! CountyGround beat me to it - If we're discounting games why not the last one of last season? I wish we could! I was merley pointing out that the form of our last seven games is the sort of form we would all love to see continue throughout the rest of the season! Out of interest, I wonder how long ago we last picked up so many points over a similar amount of games?
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Post by faggotygas on Sept 18, 2014 9:18:25 GMT
If you discount the first three games then its 16 points from 21 with 5 wins, 1 drawn and 1 loss. Thats the sort of form we should be looking to continue! If we ignore the last game of last season are we still in League 2? I think that the poster is looking to gauge current form, so is ignoring the first few games as 'gelling' games. Despite some people's hatred of this concept, it does make sense that it take a few games for a new team to learn how best to play together. In this context, yes you can ignore all games before this season too.
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 18, 2014 9:19:30 GMT
CountyGround beat me to it - If we're discounting games why not the last one of last season? I wish we could! I was merley pointing out that the form of our last seven games is the sort of form we would all love to see continue throughout the rest of the season! Out of interest, I wonder how long ago we last picked up so many points over a similar amount of games? Probably our promotion season, where's our statto's ?
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Sept 18, 2014 9:21:17 GMT
its simple for me, in every game I've seen we've improved, some of football Tuesday was best in years, some less than good, but at least we failed trying to move forward rather than failing passing backwards
People need to realise, its a league not dominated by anyone, even those with budgets twice the size of us are loosing to Nuneaton and the like. We will loose at places like ALfreton, Dover teams all have very good players who just happen not to want to be full time players - it doesnt make them worse at football!
So look at a series of games not every result.
1.7 points per game average or more will be a successful season, whether that's enough will depend on what other teams do.
Certainly people should be celebrating away points wherever we play, as those points even draws will be critical at end of the season, and fans panicking when we go behind at away grounds wont help, fans backing the side like the backing after the Nuneaton goal may help us turn some loses to draws. With a continued decent home record and 5/6 wins and 5 draws away we'll be somewhere handy imo.
DC is absolutely right, fear and anger on the terraces translates quickly to anxiety on the field both home and away.
Time to dust of that Twerton spirit which applied home and away when we also had a group of lads who really wanted to play for Bristol Rovers.Whether people think they are good enough they cant change, but as long as they put in the hard yards game in game out is all we can expect them to do.
I am more confident now than beginning of the season when like so many I feared a Stockport situation, its all of our 'jobs' to ensure that doesnt happen.
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Post by Bridgeman on Sept 18, 2014 9:31:53 GMT
its simple for me, in every game I've seen we've improved, some of football Tuesday was best in years, some less than good, but at least we failed trying to move forward rather than failing passing backwards People need to realise, its a league not dominated by anyone, even those with budgets twice the size of us are loosing to Nuneaton and the like. We will loose at places like ALfreton, Dover teams all have very good players who just happen not to want to be full time players - it doesnt make them worse at football! So look at a series of games not every result. 1.7 points per game average or more will be a successful season, whether that's enough will depend on what other teams do. Certainly people should be celebrating away points wherever we play, as those points even draws will be critical at end of the season, and fans panicking when we go behind at away grounds wont help, fans backing the side like the backing after the Nuneaton goal may help us turn some loses to draws. With a continued decent home record and 5/6 wins and 5 draws away we'll be somewhere handy imo. DC is absolutely right, fear and anger on the terraces translates quickly to anxiety on the field both home and away. Time to dust of that Twerton spirit which applied home and away when we also had a group of lads who really wanted to play for Bristol Rovers.Whether people think they are good enough they cant change, but as long as they put in the hard yards game in game out is all we can expect them to do. I am more confident now than beginning of the season when like so many I feared a Stockport situation, its all of our 'jobs' to ensure that doesnt happen. Yes, completely agree with you on this, there appeared to be a few less moaners in the North Enclosure (Blackthorn End), particularly when I told Tony to stop being so critical and support the team ! I always liked it when we responded to opposing teams scoring by singing our anthem loud and clear as if it was a war cry to our players that we were still behind them and want to encourage them.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Sept 18, 2014 10:36:29 GMT
its simple for me, in every game I've seen we've improved, some of football Tuesday was best in years, some less than good, but at least we failed trying to move forward rather than failing passing backwards People need to realise, its a league not dominated by anyone, even those with budgets twice the size of us are loosing to Nuneaton and the like. We will loose at places like ALfreton, Dover teams all have very good players who just happen not to want to be full time players - it doesnt make them worse at football! So look at a series of games not every result. 1.7 points per game average or more will be a successful season, whether that's enough will depend on what other teams do. Certainly people should be celebrating away points wherever we play, as those points even draws will be critical at end of the season, and fans panicking when we go behind at away grounds wont help, fans backing the side like the backing after the Nuneaton goal may help us turn some loses to draws. With a continued decent home record and 5/6 wins and 5 draws away we'll be somewhere handy imo. DC is absolutely right, fear and anger on the terraces translates quickly to anxiety on the field both home and away. Time to dust of that Twerton spirit which applied home and away when we also had a group of lads who really wanted to play for Bristol Rovers.Whether people think they are good enough they cant change, but as long as they put in the hard yards game in game out is all we can expect them to do. I am more confident now than beginning of the season when like so many I feared a Stockport situation, its all of our 'jobs' to ensure that doesnt happen. Agree with all of that, the improvement is very encouraging but we hold our breath to see if its maintained. I do disagree on the 'teams having twice the budget of us' if (& i'm yet to be convinced) FGR & Eastleigh are spending more than us it's in the thosands (over a season not a week to stop the smart arses chirping up) and I've absolutely no doubt whatsoever our budget is in the top 3 or 4 if not the top
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 18, 2014 10:45:21 GMT
I think our home form is already showing how important it is going to be to keep that up. We want teams to fear having to come to the Mem and it will help boost player confidence further enabling us to pick up some more points away from home.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Sept 18, 2014 11:00:34 GMT
Continuing this unbeaten home record could be key. We want to stretch it out as long as possible, so it's not just the lower sides that come here and s**t themselves! We want those top 3/4 sides coming to Brizzle knowing they will have their work cut out.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 18, 2014 11:53:14 GMT
I think something we may have to get used to is that the Conference is a fair bit more top heavy than League 2. Basically there's a lot more parity in League 2 from top to bottom. Win 4 out of 5 in that league and you can easily jump from languishing around the relegation battle to being in a playoff place. With the Conference there'll be more of a ceiling effect on how far you can jump in a short space of time because of the general disparity between full-time and part-time clubs.
That's why I think the likes of Steptoe were both right and wrong about the Conference. Yes it's a hard league to get out of but that's because there's only 2 spots available and probably 10 sides that have a good case for claiming them, and there's probably not a whole lot between the ex-league clubs and big spending ambitious sides (all of whom could easily go up and do well). But at the bottom end there's quite a lot of flat out poor sides who are at the highest level they can realistically aspire to (one of whom we lost to - a result that could still come back to haunt us) so it's really vital that we beat the 'bigger' teams particularly at home or we could find ourselves running up and down to stand still. To be honest - this is how league's used to work! Where if you're a good side in the league you have to win in order to keep up with the Jones's and you move up gradually once you get in the top group of sides. We've spent too long in the awful League 2 where 2 wins can launch you up the league and start promotion talk and 3 defeats drops you down the bottom and has everyone in a state of gloom.
So far I'd say we're the absolute bear minimum of where we need to be. At the bottom of the group of sides that would consider themselves promotion chasers - this is fair enough given the upheavel of relegation and the challenge of rebudgeting and late squad building we've had. We bounced back well from a dire start which DC should take a lot of credit for I think as we could have panicked and gone the other way. Let's hope this decent run continues and has us nicely bunched in the middle of that promotion chasing pack by 20 games (so we'd be 5th/6th etc) - well placed and with momentum to launch a proper tilt at the top playoff places/title in the second half of the season where our depth in resources and crowd numbers should hopefully make a bigger difference than at the start of the season. The good news is that no one seems to be running away with it - that seems to happen a fair bit in the Conference too but not this year so far. Therefore everything is very much still to play for and that slow start may not matter too much.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 18, 2014 13:51:17 GMT
Historically, ten games in is generally a pretty good measure of where teams will finish. That's not to say we'll finish 10th (or City 1st for that matter!), but it is remarkable how little movement there generally is from this relatively early stage.
A couple of observations about this division: There seems to be 2 tiers pretty good teams and pretty poor teams, loosely based around full-time and part-time, but there are some notable exceptions (as Irish Rover indicates) Because there seems to be more of a divide in this league compared to L2 or L1, some teams will have done well (or badly) because they have mainly played poorer (or better) teams so far. We might expect the smaller squads and part timers to struggle more as the season goes on and fatigue sets in. Therefore, it may take a little longer for the pattern to emerge.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Sept 18, 2014 14:15:24 GMT
its simple for me, in every game I've seen we've improved, some of football Tuesday was best in years, some less than good, but at least we failed trying to move forward rather than failing passing backwards People need to realise, its a league not dominated by anyone, even those with budgets twice the size of us are loosing to Nuneaton and the like. We will loose at places like ALfreton, Dover teams all have very good players who just happen not to want to be full time players - it doesnt make them worse at football! So look at a series of games not every result. 1.7 points per game average or more will be a successful season, whether that's enough will depend on what other teams do. Certainly people should be celebrating away points wherever we play, as those points even draws will be critical at end of the season, and fans panicking when we go behind at away grounds wont help, fans backing the side like the backing after the Nuneaton goal may help us turn some loses to draws. With a continued decent home record and 5/6 wins and 5 draws away we'll be somewhere handy imo. DC is absolutely right, fear and anger on the terraces translates quickly to anxiety on the field both home and away. Time to dust of that Twerton spirit which applied home and away when we also had a group of lads who really wanted to play for Bristol Rovers.Whether people think they are good enough they cant change, but as long as they put in the hard yards game in game out is all we can expect them to do. I am more confident now than beginning of the season when like so many I feared a Stockport situation, its all of our 'jobs' to ensure that doesnt happen. Agree with all of that, the improvement is very encouraging but we hold our breath to see if its maintained. I do disagree on the 'teams having twice the budget of us' if (& i'm yet to be convinced) FGR & Eastleigh are spending more than us it's in the thosands (over a season not a week to stop the smart arses chirping up) and I've absolutely no doubt whatsoever our budget is in the top 3 or 4 if not the top Can only go by wht has been said, who really knows what clubs spend. Forest green exec club member was very unhappy, he said they are paying 6 players what we are paying for whole squad, including an eye watering £5k a week to Hughes with bonuses etc on promotion taken into account. He said Hughes,Parkin,Rodgers,Russell and 2 more account for over £800k. He cant see how such spending is sustainable, and is causing problems in their squad already. Eastleigh are reportedly paying 2 players £6k a week between them if they are promoted,that's nearly a third of what we are paying whole squad. It's madness and I'm glad we have not thrown money at the problem like we've tried and failed with season after season
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Sept 18, 2014 14:56:27 GMT
Forgot to say, fella at FGR also said they paid a lad £2k a week to leave Wrexham, and have had to shift him out to Gateshead now as with Parkin Hughes Rodgers, he wouldnt get in the squad, and Vince also provides free flats and electric cars for players to use to get from flats to Ground to reduce travelling to homes in Midlands and North between games and training. Budget wise they are in a different league to most L2 clubs let alone COnference.
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