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Post by baselswh on Nov 12, 2024 8:28:14 GMT
Looks like this will be discussed in the House.
Party Leaders will apparently not tell their party how to vote.
I think in some cases,maybe many,assisted dying would be a blessed relief.
In other cases a person may of just given up,depressed. Happy tablets or a decent psychiatrist would be needed.
Relations suggesting a relitive ought to go with it and then pick up the loot in wills.
Overall I think I would vote no to assisted dying.
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 12, 2024 8:37:09 GMT
This is about shortening death, not ending life, says MP proposing assisted dying bill..by Emily Atkinson and Owen Amosichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/fc16/live/3daefd30-a054-11ef-8ab9-9192db313061.jpgA proposed law to legalise assisted dying in England and Wales has been published Under the bill, adults with less than six months to live would be given the right to end their own life - a doctor could prepare the substance, but the person themselves would take the final act The person would need to meet several requirements - including approval from two independent doctors and a High Court judge MPs are due to debate and vote on the bill on 29th November - further debates and votes would be needed before the bill became law i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/11/11/00/91919447-14066841-image-a-107_1731285896139.jpgThe prime minister says he won’t be putting any pressure on Labour MPs when it comes to the assisted dying bill. Keir Starmer says it will be for every MP to decide for themselves how they want to vote, and make their own minds up – adding that he would do the same. Speaking to reporters on the way to the COP29 summit in Azerbaijan, he says: "Look, it's going to be a free vote and I mean that. “It will be for every MP to decide for themselves how they want to vote. I'm not going to be putting any pressure whatsoever on Labour MPs. They will make their own mind up, as I will be. "Obviously a lot will depend on the detail and we need to get the balance right but I've always argued there will need to be proper safeguards in place."
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Post by baldrick on Nov 12, 2024 8:59:53 GMT
Mixed feelings, I can genuinely understand the passion on both sides.
My view has always been in favour, in principle, it's the practicality that requires careful consideration.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 12, 2024 9:10:27 GMT
At a suicide charity I learnt the true meaning of a person having their own right to self determination.
My view is that if a person is in such physical pain and will lose all dignity in death and wants to control their passage then they should be given the option.
It has to be set up right from the start though.
Previous ways of 'helping people on their way' were abused leading to people like Shipman.
Even well meaning options such as the 'Liverpool Pathway' withdrawing essentials were found to have been abused.
It has to be regulated and give people the dignity they need in their last moments, but especially to ensure their is no coercion or pressure on vulnerable people.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 12, 2024 9:50:08 GMT
At a suicide charity I learnt the true meaning of a person having their own right to self determination. My view is that if a person is in such physical pain and will lose all dignity in death and wants to control their passage then they should be given the option. It has to be set up right from the start though. Previous ways of 'helping people on their way' were abused leading to people like Shipman. Even well meaning options such as the 'Liverpool Pathway' withdrawing essentials were found to have been abused. It has to be regulated and give people the dignity they need in their last moments, but especially to ensure their is no coercion or pressure on vulnerable people. Not exactly sure how things work in the Netherlands,but they do have pretty stringent rules on those who enquire about what they want as their final destination, I met a woman(80 ISH) and pre COVID) whilst on a job, she was a former school teacher,and at this time among very religious people, she explained that she had chest infections and various other things,no family lived on her own in rented accommodation in Amsterdam and had gone through the rigours of their vetting to have this 'end of life procedure' some 18 months later I met the religious couple,and discovered that the woman had in fact gone through with her decision and had done so some 6 months previously, |
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Post by oldie on Nov 12, 2024 10:09:54 GMT
Personally I am all for it, allowing assisted dying.
The libertarian in me asks "what the hell does this have to do with the State"?
I believe this is a matter of free will and has nothing to do with the State.
I would go further and argue that any sentient human being should be able to end their life at the moment of their choosing.
Who, for example, should be forced to live a long and miserable last decade or so when faced with loneliness, Ill health and declining physical capabilities?
Wouldnt the intelligent thing be to allow that person to choose their own moment whilst being full control?
I believe so.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 12, 2024 10:19:24 GMT
Personally I am all for it, allowing assisted dying. The libertarian in me asks "what the hell does this have to do with the State"? I believe this is a matter of free will and has nothing to do with the State. I would go further and argue that any sentient human being should be able to end their life at the moment of their choosing. Who, for example, should be forced to live a long and miserable last decade or so when faced with loneliness, Ill health and declining physical capabilities? Wouldnt the intelligent thing be to allow that person to choose their own moment whilst being full control? I believe so. I agree Oldie, as long as they are doing so of their own free will and without external pressures. The State has been involved in the past from a 'moral' but probably religious viewpoint, but now has to be involved purely from the point of view of safeguards. Not everyone has the best of motives or concern for the elderly as we might consider just. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 12, 2024 10:32:32 GMT
Personally I am all for it, allowing assisted dying. The libertarian in me asks "what the hell does this have to do with the State"? I believe this is a matter of free will and has nothing to do with the State. I would go further and argue that any sentient human being should be able to end their life at the moment of their choosing. Who, for example, should be forced to live a long and miserable last decade or so when faced with loneliness, Ill health and declining physical capabilities? Wouldnt the intelligent thing be to allow that person to choose their own moment whilst being full control? I believe so. I agree Oldie, as long as they are doing so of their own free will and without external pressures. The State has been involved in the past from a 'moral' but probably religious viewpoint, but now has to be involved purely from the point of view of safeguards. Not everyone has the best of motives or concern for the elderly as we might consider just. Blimey Cheshire, knowing your beliefs, I wasn't expecting that response. Respect |
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Post by trymer on Nov 12, 2024 11:14:28 GMT
Lets not forget that some relatives who are the 'carers' are neglecting the people that they are supposed to be caring for and only want the money !
A woman that I see is a care worker and she has come across a few of these situations,a year or so ago she was able to expose one horrific situation and the poor victim was relocated away from the evil ****s.
My point is that it might be in some of the 'carers' interests to keep a relative alive as a cash cow when that relative might want to take be put out of their misery,on the other hand other people might want someone dead so that they can inherit and benefit financially...a real minefield and social workers would need training to deal with these situations.
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Post by trymer on Nov 12, 2024 11:16:19 GMT
Personally I am all for it, allowing assisted dying. The libertarian in me asks "what the hell does this have to do with the State"? I believe this is a matter of free will and has nothing to do with the State. I would go further and argue that any sentient human being should be able to end their life at the moment of their choosing. Who, for example, should be forced to live a long and miserable last decade or so when faced with loneliness, Ill health and declining physical capabilities? Wouldnt the intelligent thing be to allow that person to choose their own moment whilst being full control? I believe so. Yes I agree,its funny how we can let our pets have a dignified death but we cant choose the same for ourselves. |
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