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Post by baldrick on Oct 29, 2024 8:11:57 GMT
Is there any need to? The point of pointing out Muslim crime is because our Law does not. This was my point. Non Mislim crime gets seriously investigated by the Law.Usually.As we know eg shop lifting,burglary often go unchecked. Muslim crime has been ignored for decades by the Law and Governments.Eg,grooming gangs, FGM. So Tommy decided to expose Muslim/Islamic crime. I imagine,within that work,if he inadvertently discovered other crime,by anybody,he would of informed the Law. Baldricks question is ridiculous. Does a marathon runner have to break the 100 metre record during the race? No and no one would ask it. It's not ridiculous, Bas. SY-L only searches for Muslims to my knowledge. Your "I imagine" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Is there any evidence he has done this? He is not a specialist crime fighter, he targets one section of society. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 29, 2024 8:20:47 GMT
This was my point. Non Mislim crime gets seriously investigated by the Law.Usually.As we know eg shop lifting,burglary often go unchecked. Muslim crime has been ignored for decades by the Law and Governments.Eg,grooming gangs, FGM. So Tommy decided to expose Muslim/Islamic crime. I imagine,within that work,if he inadvertently discovered other crime,by anybody,he would of informed the Law. Baldricks question is ridiculous. Does a marathon runner have to break the 100 metre record during the race? No and no one would ask it. It's not ridiculous, Bas. SY-L only searches for Muslims to my knowledge. Your "I imagine" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Is there any evidence he has done this? He is not a specialist crime fighter, he targets one section of society. Talk about move the goal posts. In the scenario, you know there is Muslim/Islamic crime going on unchecked, for decades, effecting indigenous Britons lives and you announce you are going to do something about it and do,imo it is ridiculous to be asked what about non Muslim crime? Non Muslim crime gets dealt with because our Law and Government are not scared of death threats ,cold blooded murder and upsetting their anti British culture "communities". So,I guess you are suggesting by apparently only going after Muslim crime ( because the law is scared to ), means Tommy Robinson is racist or more accurately in this case,Islamophobic. Right? |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 29, 2024 8:36:40 GMT
It's not ridiculous, Bas. SY-L only searches for Muslims to my knowledge. Your "I imagine" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Is there any evidence he has done this? He is not a specialist crime fighter, he targets one section of society. Talk about move the goal posts. In the scenario, you know there is Muslim/Islamic crime going on unchecked, for decades, effecting indigenous Britons lives and you announce you are going to do something about it and do,imo it is ridiculous to be asked what about non Muslim crime? Non Muslim crime gets dealt with because our Law and Government are not scared of death threats ,cold blooded murder and upsetting their anti British culture "communities". So,I guess you are suggesting by apparently only going after Muslim crime ( because the law is scared to ), means Tommy Robinson is racist or more accurately in this case,Islamophobic. Right? Not moving the goalposts. Having watched some of his interviews and on line exchanges, I have my opinion and you have yours. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Oct 29, 2024 8:39:01 GMT
It's not ridiculous, Bas. SY-L only searches for Muslims to my knowledge. Your "I imagine" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Is there any evidence he has done this? He is not a specialist crime fighter, he targets one section of society. Talk about move the goal posts. In the scenario, you know there is Muslim/Islamic crime going on unchecked, for decades, effecting indigenous Britons lives and you announce you are going to do something about it and do,imo it is ridiculous to be asked what about non Muslim crime? Non Muslim crime gets dealt with because our Law and Government are not scared of death threats ,cold blooded murder and upsetting their anti British culture "communities". So,I guess you are suggesting by apparently only going after Muslim crime ( because the law is scared to ), means Tommy Robinson is racist or more accurately in this case,Islamophobic. Right? I don't think there's any question he's Islamophobic, I'd go as far as to say racist as he joined the BNP and formed the EDL but I know others don't agree. There's something disturbing about the quantity of his associates serving time, some of whom he defended, for child sex crimes. The West Midlands child abuse case that went uncovered for over a decade might have benefited from his 'investigation' also. He doesn't really care about the abuse I don't think, his only aim is to discredit Islam. I do wonder whether there have been investigations into the grooming of the children he put through his court case to lie for him. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 29, 2024 8:55:25 GMT
This was my point. Non Mislim crime gets seriously investigated by the Law.Usually.As we know eg shop lifting,burglary often go unchecked. Muslim crime has been ignored for decades by the Law and Governments.Eg,grooming gangs, FGM. So Tommy decided to expose Muslim/Islamic crime. I imagine,within that work,if he inadvertently discovered other crime,by anybody,he would of informed the Law. Baldricks question is ridiculous. Does a marathon runner have to break the 100 metre record during the race? No and no one would ask it. It's not ridiculous, Bas. SY-L only searches for Muslims to my knowledge. Your "I imagine" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Is there any evidence he has done this? He is not a specialist crime fighter, he targets one section of society. So let's go with the narrative, or ( Your opinion) that Robinson is a far right, racist thug...OK. Does that mean that he is wrong for exposing these grooming gangs? Say he is a racist piece of s**t... Does his views on race, outweigh any good that he has done by exposing these evil Muslim grooming gangs that have raped and murdered our girls,as our system refused to do so, due to the fear of being called racist? I've not seen one comment on here from any of you 'anti Tommy' posters congratulating him on doing so, or even one of you simply pointing out - I dont like the man,I hate him.. but respect to him for highlighting this where no one else was! Not one of you have! ... all your interested in is living in the bubble calling him a racist with no proof. Its the same with Trump,or anyone that is right leaning. He brought a new level or attention to this issue, which wasn't there before he started to expose it, yet you all over look that, as you have been brainwashed by MSM and ridged, blind views. As always pointed out on here...attack the post, not the poster! Well why can you support the cause of highlighting it, even if you don't like the man??? Double standard. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 29, 2024 9:04:52 GMT
Talk about move the goal posts. In the scenario, you know there is Muslim/Islamic crime going on unchecked, for decades, effecting indigenous Britons lives and you announce you are going to do something about it and do,imo it is ridiculous to be asked what about non Muslim crime? Non Muslim crime gets dealt with because our Law and Government are not scared of death threats ,cold blooded murder and upsetting their anti British culture "communities". So,I guess you are suggesting by apparently only going after Muslim crime ( because the law is scared to ), means Tommy Robinson is racist or more accurately in this case,Islamophobic. Right? Not moving the goalposts. Having watched some of his interviews and on line exchanges, I have my opinion and you have yours. My summing up, last paragraph,accurate? |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 29, 2024 9:09:46 GMT
Not moving the goalposts. Having watched some of his interviews and on line exchanges, I have my opinion and you have yours. My summing up, last paragraph,accurate? Whether he is I don't know, his musings do come across like that and I'm unaware of him tackling other issues. It certainly plays up to a certain narrative some of his on line supporters want to hear. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 29, 2024 9:17:15 GMT
My summing up, last paragraph,accurate? Whether he is I don't know, his musings do come across like that and I'm unaware of him tackling other issues. It certainly plays up to a certain narrative some of his on line supporters want to hear. Thanks. I would say,TR ,like millions of Britons and in Islams current state,are Islamophobic. I think it's a mistake not to be. This does'nt mean this simmering threat of bloodshed we live in, can't be avoided. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Oct 29, 2024 9:34:00 GMT
It's not ridiculous, Bas. SY-L only searches for Muslims to my knowledge. Your "I imagine" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Is there any evidence he has done this? He is not a specialist crime fighter, he targets one section of society. So let's go with the narrative, or ( Your opinion) that Robinson is a far right, racist thug...OK. Does that mean that he is wrong for exposing these grooming gangs? Say he is a racist piece of s**t... Does his views on race, outweigh any good that he has done by exposing these evil Muslim grooming gangs that have raped and murdered our girls,as our system refused to do so, due to the fear of being called racist? I've not seen one comment on here from any of you 'anti Tommy' posters congratulating him on doing so, or even one of you simply pointing out - I dont like the man,I hate him.. but respect to him for highlighting this where no one else was! Not one of you have! ... all your interested in is living in the bubble calling him a racist with no proof. Its the same with Trump,or anyone that is right leaning. He brought a new level or attention to this issue, which wasn't there before he started to expose it, yet you all over look that, as you have been brainwashed by MSM and ridged, blind views. As always pointed out on here...attack the post, not the poster! Well why can you support the cause of highlighting it, even if you don't like the man??? Double standard. I can't support a cause like that, it's almost like he's demonstrating it's only non-Muslins who are allowed to rape white children when you see his history of associates. That's double standards. A ring of 21 white sexual abusers that operated over a decade were eventually brought to justice last year, not a peep from him. Don't forget he's even resorted to peddling lies that he's had to retract. Child sexual abuse is a huge issue, and has been for years, but using that selectively and deceptively to rally support to fund his lifestyle and cause division marks him as scum in my eyes. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 29, 2024 9:35:44 GMT
So the basic premise is that the authorities do not pursue some groups of the population because of their choice of religion. Personally, whilst I don't doubt that in countries where religion is a powerful political force this indeed is what happens, that is not in the UK. Although it did take us a outrageously long time to dig out the child abusers in our Christian hierarchy. Is there any evidence, other than incompetence within the police, that we do not pursue anyone who breaks the law? Not here say or personal opinion over due process, but solid evidence. This line of argument is meat and two vedge for the nasty right wing in society, personified by people like Robinson and brutally on full display at the Trump rally in Madison Square Garden. The Barbarians are truly at the gate Weak. The Government and Law have been and still are scared of upsetting Islam. They are backed in this by people like you. To suggest otherwise is an insult to "indigenous" ( see Ice question) Britons. What is weak my feathered friend is the complete inability to produce a shred of evidence to back your assertions. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 29, 2024 9:43:30 GMT
Talk about move the goal posts. In the scenario, you know there is Muslim/Islamic crime going on unchecked, for decades, effecting indigenous Britons lives and you announce you are going to do something about it and do,imo it is ridiculous to be asked what about non Muslim crime? Non Muslim crime gets dealt with because our Law and Government are not scared of death threats ,cold blooded murder and upsetting their anti British culture "communities". So,I guess you are suggesting by apparently only going after Muslim crime ( because the law is scared to ), means Tommy Robinson is racist or more accurately in this case,Islamophobic. Right? I don't think there's any question he's Islamophobic, I'd go as far as to say racist as he joined the BNP and formed the EDL but I know others don't agree. There's something disturbing about the quantity of his associates serving time, some of whom he defended, for child sex crimes. The West Midlands child abuse case that went uncovered for over a decade might have benefited from his 'investigation' also. He doesn't really care about the abuse I don't think, his only aim is to discredit Islam. I do wonder whether there have been investigations into the grooming of the children he put through his court case to lie for him. Either that or he's an agitator playing up on people's anxiety and prejudices. Neither is a good look. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 29, 2024 9:45:25 GMT
Whether he is I don't know, his musings do come across like that and I'm unaware of him tackling other issues. It certainly plays up to a certain narrative some of his on line supporters want to hear. Thanks. I would say,TR ,like millions of Britons and in Islams current state,are Islamophobic. I think it's a mistake not to be. This does'nt mean this simmering threat of bloodshed we live in, can't be avoided. Out of interest, when did you start getting concerned about Islam? Not a trick question, genuinely interested in what sparked that. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 29, 2024 9:56:26 GMT
Thanks. I would say,TR ,like millions of Britons and in Islams current state,are Islamophobic. I think it's a mistake not to be. This does'nt mean this simmering threat of bloodshed we live in, can't be avoided. Out of interest, when did you start getting concerned about Islam? Not a trick question, genuinely interested in what sparked that. I think,at least seriously about 2010.On moving back to England after 15 years abroad. Edit. Have to edit that to say I'm not really sure of dates. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 29, 2024 10:03:16 GMT
So let's go with the narrative, or ( Your opinion) that Robinson is a far right, racist thug...OK. Does that mean that he is wrong for exposing these grooming gangs? Say he is a racist piece of s**t... Does his views on race, outweigh any good that he has done by exposing these evil Muslim grooming gangs that have raped and murdered our girls,as our system refused to do so, due to the fear of being called racist? I've not seen one comment on here from any of you 'anti Tommy' posters congratulating him on doing so, or even one of you simply pointing out - I dont like the man,I hate him.. but respect to him for highlighting this where no one else was! Not one of you have! ... all your interested in is living in the bubble calling him a racist with no proof. Its the same with Trump,or anyone that is right leaning. He brought a new level or attention to this issue, which wasn't there before he started to expose it, yet you all over look that, as you have been brainwashed by MSM and ridged, blind views. As always pointed out on here...attack the post, not the poster! Well why can you support the cause of highlighting it, even if you don't like the man??? Double standard. I can't support a cause like that, it's almost like he's demonstrating it's only non-Muslins who are allowed to rape white children when you see his history of associates. That's double standards. A ring of 21 white sexual abusers that operated over a decade were eventually brought to justice last year, not a peep from him. Don't forget he's even resorted to peddling lies that he's had to retract. Child sexual abuse is a huge issue, and has been for years, but using that selectively and deceptively to rally support to fund his lifestyle and cause division marks him as scum in my eyes. You don't make sense and are contradicting yourself. So if you and I were walking down a street after a pint, and we saw Tommy Robinson run across a road to defend a girl from a white British guy,along with his muslim friend who were together,and both had the same intentions of attacking this female, yet Tommy stopped both from doing so.... then you would congratulate him for stopping the British guys assault, yet condemn him for stopping the Muslim guy due to your opinion of his views previously? That's basically what you just wrote. That's honestly one of the most insane, and confusing things from a moral point of view that I have ever read on this forum. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 29, 2024 10:08:36 GMT
I can't support a cause like that, it's almost like he's demonstrating it's only non-Muslins who are allowed to rape white children when you see his history of associates. That's double standards. A ring of 21 white sexual abusers that operated over a decade were eventually brought to justice last year, not a peep from him. Don't forget he's even resorted to peddling lies that he's had to retract. Child sexual abuse is a huge issue, and has been for years, but using that selectively and deceptively to rally support to fund his lifestyle and cause division marks him as scum in my eyes. You don't make sense and are contradicting yourself. So if you and I were walking down a street after a pint, and we saw Tommy Robinson run across a road to defend a girl from a white British guy,along with his muslim friend who were together,and both had the same intentions of attacking this female, yet Tommy stopped both from doing so.... then you would congratulate him for stopping the British guys assault, yet condemn him for stopping the Muslim guy due to your opinion of his views previously? That's basically what you just wrote. That's honestly one of the most insane, and confusing things from a moral point of view that I have ever read on this forum. Pop Up's post was entirely rational and on point. Your counter is a straw man argument |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 29, 2024 10:08:52 GMT
Out of interest, when did you start getting concerned about Islam? Not a trick question, genuinely interested in what sparked that. I think,at least seriously about 2010.On moving back to England after 15 years abroad. Cheers. I presume from your user name that was Basel, do you think your view may have been different had you lived in France, for example, who have a similar history to us? |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 29, 2024 10:10:57 GMT
Thanks. I would say,TR ,like millions of Britons and in Islams current state,are Islamophobic. I think it's a mistake not to be. This does'nt mean this simmering threat of bloodshed we live in, can't be avoided. Out of interest, when did you start getting concerned about Islam? Not a trick question, genuinely interested in what sparked that. My answer was when people started bombing us over on the UK, stabbing innocent citizens, driving cars in to the public all in the name of a fantasy book or, Islam. I don't hate Muslims,never have, one of my dear late friends as I've told a few times was a follower and I've had many other Muslim friends. The words or Islam are evil, and it's showing in this country today, but wait for how it will be in 20 years. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 29, 2024 10:12:43 GMT
You don't make sense and are contradicting yourself. So if you and I were walking down a street after a pint, and we saw Tommy Robinson run across a road to defend a girl from a white British guy,along with his muslim friend who were together,and both had the same intentions of attacking this female, yet Tommy stopped both from doing so.... then you would congratulate him for stopping the British guys assault, yet condemn him for stopping the Muslim guy due to your opinion of his views previously? That's basically what you just wrote. That's honestly one of the most insane, and confusing things from a moral point of view that I have ever read on this forum. Pop Up's post was entirely rational and on point. Your counter is a straw man argument Only due to you having the same opinion as him,that's an weak argument itself. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 29, 2024 10:20:36 GMT
I can't support a cause like that, it's almost like he's demonstrating it's only non-Muslins who are allowed to rape white children when you see his history of associates. That's double standards. A ring of 21 white sexual abusers that operated over a decade were eventually brought to justice last year, not a peep from him. Don't forget he's even resorted to peddling lies that he's had to retract. Child sexual abuse is a huge issue, and has been for years, but using that selectively and deceptively to rally support to fund his lifestyle and cause division marks him as scum in my eyes. You don't make sense and are contradicting yourself. So if you and I were walking down a street after a pint, and we saw Tommy Robinson run across a road to defend a girl from a white British guy,along with his muslim friend who were together,and both had the same intentions of attacking this female, yet Tommy stopped both from doing so.... then you would congratulate him for stopping the British guys assault, yet condemn him for stopping the Muslim guy due to your opinion of his views previously? That's basically what you just wrote. That's honestly one of the most insane, and confusing things from a moral point of view that I have ever read on this forum. If you follow that analogy, Tommy won't stop the white man, he'll stop the Muslim man irregardless of who is the greater threat and wait for someone else to stop the white man. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 29, 2024 10:22:44 GMT
I think,at least seriously about 2010.On moving back to England after 15 years abroad. Cheers. I presume from your user name that was Basel, do you think your view may have been different had you lived in France, for example, who have a similar history to us? I don't know,but these days,I'm told by a mate that moved to France maybe ten years ago,it's for or against Islam I would be against. |
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