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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 10, 2024 8:37:14 GMT
Matt Taylor interview, There was a severe lack of desire to make a difference…Some players feel entitled, don’t need to do the dirty work….He clearly has little time for the fringe players who played poorly last night. Hope one of those is not Hutchinson who we paid 200k for!…
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 10, 2024 8:56:57 GMT
Attitude is invariably the only explanation for when a team from the championship, for example, travels to Salford and loses 1-0, even taking into account 'leveling' factors such as a poor pitch and/or home support. If the attitude was 100 percent, then surely superior ability would almost always prevail? As we know, this is in fact not the case, with the higher league team's superiority rarely, if ever, being reflected in the margin of victory. If the higher league team do prevail in away games against lower league teams, then it is often by the odd goal or a small gift of fortune.
The smaller team has everything to play for, and the stronger team has nothing to play for. Is this the best explanation for cup 'shocks', including our awe-inspiring victories over PL teams like Derby and Everton, the latter including the most technically gifted English player since Glenn Hoddle (Gascoigne)?
No Gazza in that game for Everton. 2000/2001 season Interesting season. Drawing home & away with Everton in the League cup (winning 4-2 on pens) and thrashing Brentford 2-6 at Griffin Park. Before ending up being relegated to the bottom division for the first time in our history. But sadly not the last. |
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Post by alftupper on Oct 10, 2024 10:12:21 GMT
mmmm, errrrr, yeah, okay!  Like I say, could be viewed as semantics. Perhaps just me - 'attitude' comes across far worse then 'lack of heart'. Like 'lack of heart' is not fully up for it, wasn't giving 100%, could have done better; against 'attitude' being more **** that, can't be bothered, I ain't not doing that, I'll show 'em. But yeah, I can see 'lack of heart' being a type of 'attitude'. Either are equally unacceptable. I thought one of MT's strengths was supposed to be signing players with the right attitude/heart (delete as appropriate). Tier 3 supporters know they are unlikely to see genius at this level. But the one thing they all want to see is some bloody effort! Blood sweat and tears, that's what we want. Stuart Sinclairesque. As opposed to Stefan Paynesque or Tom Nicholsesque. Whatever his deficiencies when it came to putting the ball in the net, Nichols always put the effort in. Unfair to suggest otherwise. |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 10, 2024 12:20:23 GMT
Apologies for poor shows are perhaps fashionable lately.Easy to say,gives the team more time before the "boos" get louder. What's his name,the Charlton manager,post Rovers defeat,he must of said "I take full responsibility" ( for the defeat and nature of) about 5 times in a minute. I'm saying, I suspect it's a bit football chit chat fashion, like a player saying how "massive" a new FC is on signing for them. I suspect its lacking in sincerity,in some cases,but not all. Agree. Whilst at Southampton NJ apologised after nearly every game, taking responsibility etc.etc. But after a few games it just came over as not having a clue and thinking by saying that it made it ok. In the PL it was a cover for being unable to manage well. As you say, it lacks sincerity and is just a formulaic response. One of those cases where stuff that happens in the PL filters down eventually to other leagues perhaps. UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 10, 2024 12:34:30 GMT
Either are equally unacceptable. I thought one of MT's strengths was supposed to be signing players with the right attitude/heart (delete as appropriate). Tier 3 supporters know they are unlikely to see genius at this level. But the one thing they all want to see is some bloody effort! Blood sweat and tears, that's what we want. Stuart Sinclairesque. As opposed to Stefan Paynesque or Tom Nicholsesque. Whatever his deficiencies when it came to putting the ball in the net, Nichols always put the effort in. Unfair to suggest otherwise. Nah - not having that. The bloke you left the pitch without a hair out of place, no mud on his legs (let alone blood), no sweat on his brow? The bloke with no pace and no physicality? The bloke that never tracked back? The bloke that couldn't tackle? The bloke that couldn't head the ball? As the late, great Queen used to say, "some recollections may vary". alftupper - ask The Thin White Duke what his opinion is. He was more scathing than me... 2 league goals from open play in 94 appearances. (4 from 94 including penalties. And I saw him miss two other pens so he wasn't any good at them either). |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 10, 2024 18:12:30 GMT
I’m with Alf on this one. I too thought he did put the effort in. He just wasn’t an out and out striker and so not very good in front of goal. One of his rarities gave me one of the best Rovers away days in my 50+ years of watching us - the first goal in the 2-1 away win at Portman Road in Coughlan’s last game in charge.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 11, 2024 8:55:09 GMT
I’m with Alf on this one. I too thought he did put the effort in. He just wasn’t an out and out striker and so not very good in front of goal. One of his rarities gave me one of the best Rovers away days in my 50+ years of watching us - the first goal in the 2-1 away win at Portman Road in Coughlan’s last game in charge. Happy to agree to disagree. I remember talking to a Posh supporter on a bus before the first game of the season home to Peterborough. He said they were amazed they had got a decent fee for him. He was a victim of the 'boo boys' (I never 'boo', how childish) and was perceived as lightweight and poor in front of goal. Rovers lost 1-4. Perhaps this had undue influence on me. I watched him closely from then on. Concluded by mid-season he was a total dud. But he was never dropped. First name on the team sheet. Couldn't hit a cows arse with the proverbial banjo. I think perhaps DC's insistence that he would come good was the start of DC's downfall. So I kind of blame Nicholls (possibly very harshly) for the drop off in Rovers fortunes and ultimately DC's departure. To be fair he had a lovely first touch and a nice haircut though. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 11, 2024 11:24:21 GMT
Total dud is harsh in my view. He just wasn’t an out and out striker which was the role he was bought for. Technically a good footballer though would agree lightweight. Not sure how you fit him into a L1 team tbh. I think of him as a better version of Westbrooke who I do think was a total dud.
DC went all in on him I think as his marquee signing and either couldn’t or wouldn’t use him in a different way or drop him despite the glaring lack of goals so yes a bit stubborn but he was also losing the plot with excessive tinkering at this point.
The other comparison I’d draw is with Joelinton who was also bought as an out and out striker and clearly isn’t but has been moulded by Eddie Howe into a more than useful midfielder. Not to say either Nicholls or DC have the ability of Joelinton or Howe and to do the playmaker role Nicholls would have needed at least one beast alongside him to do all the donkey work to give him the platform to use his technical ability. Perhaps a similar situation with Hutchinson today?
Agreeing to disagree is healthy because we can both learn from seeing things from each others perspectives
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 11, 2024 14:01:00 GMT
I’m with Alf on this one. I too thought he did put the effort in. He just wasn’t an out and out striker and so not very good in front of goal. One of his rarities gave me one of the best Rovers away days in my 50+ years of watching us - the first goal in the 2-1 away win at Portman Road in Coughlan’s last game in charge. Happy to agree to disagree. I remember talking to a Posh supporter on a bus before the first game of the season home to Peterborough. He said they were amazed they had got a decent fee for him. He was a victim of the 'boo boys' (I never 'boo', how childish) and was perceived as lightweight and poor in front of goal. Rovers lost 1-4. Perhaps this had undue influence on me. I watched him closely from then on. Concluded by mid-season he was a total dud. But he was never dropped. First name on the team sheet. Couldn't hit a cows arse with the proverbial banjo. I think perhaps DC's insistence that he would come good was the start of DC's downfall. So I kind of blame Nicholls (possibly very harshly) for the drop off in Rovers fortunes and ultimately DC's departure. To be fair he had a lovely first touch and a nice haircut though. At what point do you persevere to before you call it a day? Remember that Roberts went something like 18 games without scoring, and then blossomed into a 2 million pound striker.
His record at Exeter was very impressive, and while less impressive, his Peterborough stint presumably included more sub appearances. My main issue at the time was that he originally didn't want to come, and then changed his mind.
Holloway, or more precisely Gary Penrice, had the ability to find the problem and address it. DC didn't. He also signed Stefan Payne in the apparent belief that he was an able replacement for super Ellis.
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