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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 8, 2024 21:37:48 GMT
Hopefully that puts an end to any possibility of us going any further in this dog turd of a competition and that none of our first choice squad have picked up injuries or cards Ha! Nailed it
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 8, 2024 22:43:26 GMT
Hopefully that puts an end to any possibility of us going any further in this dog turd of a competition and that none of our first choice squad have picked up injuries or cards It's sad - before the Under-21 teams were involved, I could summon up some vestige of enthusiasm for the competition. Now I think of it as a reserve game, and it's a waste of everybody's time. I can't even get that worked up about the result.
Don't expect to see McCormick or Hutchinson near the first team any time soon, as they were struggling before this, and clearly this won't have done their chances much good.
Unless we can find a place for McCormick in the team, a loan move out may in the club's and the player's best interest. I say this with some regret, as I rate him.
I’ve watched these games both home and away before the EFL sold it’s soul to allow the big greedy clubs to humiliate us with their U13 teams - even enduring the Lightning cheats on one occasion. Wouldn’t go now if you paid me even to the final. Sadly think you are right on all counts re Macca. Just hope none of our regulars have picked up an injury in this pointless and irrelevant twaddle
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Oct 9, 2024 9:59:13 GMT
We had a player who captained us for a season but clearly his heart wasn't in it and he obviously regretted joining us.Max Ehmer,still playing for Gillingham but several of our players last night were in the same mould.He was quite scathing when he left saying things like,'Getting back to a proper club'.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 9, 2024 9:59:28 GMT
great interview by the gaffer - he's not happy, and seemingly rightly so. Laid it all out for them...
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Post by TaiwanGas on Oct 9, 2024 10:09:16 GMT
I am ashamed to admit that I did not know we were playing last night and missed it, lucky me!…
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Oct 9, 2024 12:32:54 GMT
We had a player who captained us for a season but clearly his heart wasn't in it and he obviously regretted joining us.Max Ehmer,still playing for Gillingham but several of our players last night were in the same mould.He was quite scathing when he left saying things like,'Getting back to a proper club'. Does anyone actually know exactly what he meant by that?
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Post by bloogas on Oct 9, 2024 14:22:55 GMT
We had a player who captained us for a season but clearly his heart wasn't in it and he obviously regretted joining us.Max Ehmer,still playing for Gillingham but several of our players last night were in the same mould.He was quite scathing when he left saying things like,'Getting back to a proper club'. Does anyone actually know exactly what he meant by that? Presumably a club willing to overlook his inadequacies.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 9, 2024 14:49:44 GMT
Does anyone actually know exactly what he meant by that? Presumably a club willing to overlook his inadequacies. What precisely was it about Ehmer that winded up so many of our fans? Was it simply that he wasn't a Steve Elliot-esque centre back?
The same with Stefan Payne. I don't think he did anything heinously wrong - he just wasn't very good and had a laid-back playing style.
This reminds me of the Jeff Hughes comment about joining the club because they paid good wages, which was actually a joke! It was subsequently repeatedly brought up on the official forum as if he had tore up a picture of Ian Holloway on SNL.
Aside from the Snake, the only player who I can remember showing the club quite incredible disrespect while being employed by us was Bradley Allen, who was overheard making disparaging remarks about the amateurism and small-time nature of the club while taking a leak.
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 9, 2024 17:20:59 GMT
The captain on the night, Taylor Moore, has apologised on behalf of himself and his teammates for last night's performance. <<see here>>While it's great to see this level of accountability, my worry is the reason offered... attitude. You can fix injuries and nuture talent but attitude is deep rooted and embedded in the psyche, it's notoriously difficult to turn around. Personally, I'd be rooting out those with poor attitude and showing them the door. Tough I know, but football is a ruthless profession and unlike other careers, you have a performance review every time you show up for work.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 9, 2024 18:49:48 GMT
Apologies for poor shows are perhaps fashionable lately.Easy to say,gives the team more time before the "boos" get louder.
What's his name,the Charlton manager,post Rovers defeat,he must of said "I take full responsibility" ( for the defeat and nature of) about 5 times in a minute.
I'm saying, I suspect it's a bit football chit chat fashion, like a player saying how "massive" a new FC is on signing for them.
I suspect its lacking in sincerity,in some cases,but not all.
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 9, 2024 19:46:56 GMT
Attitude is invariably the only explanation for when a team from the championship, for example, travels to Salford and loses 1-0, even taking into account 'leveling' factors such as a poor pitch and/or home support. If the attitude was 100 percent, then surely superior ability would almost always prevail? As we know, this is in fact not the case, with the higher league team's superiority rarely, if ever, being reflected in the margin of victory. If the higher league team do prevail in away games against lower league teams, then it is often by the odd goal or a small gift of fortune.
The smaller team has everything to play for, and the stronger team has nothing to play for. Is this the best explanation for cup 'shocks', including our awe-inspiring victories over PL teams like Derby and Everton, the latter including the most technically gifted English player since Glenn Hoddle (Gascoigne)?
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Post by rideintothesun on Oct 9, 2024 19:55:31 GMT
The captain on the night, Taylor Moore, has apologised on behalf of himself and his teammates for last night's performance. <<see here>>While it's great to see this level of accountability, my worry is the reason offered... attitude. You can fix injuries and nuture talent but attitude is deep rooted and embedded in the psyche, it's notoriously difficult to turn around. Personally, I'd be rooting out those with poor attitude and showing them the door. Tough I know, but football is a ruthless profession and unlike other careers, you have a performance review every time you show up for work. In your opinion, which player/s in that team has/have a poor attitude?
And which player, past or present, had the worst attitude you have seen? Was it Mr Payne or can we think of a worse one?
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Post by The Concept on Oct 9, 2024 20:05:14 GMT
The captain on the night, Taylor Moore, has apologised on behalf of himself and his teammates for last night's performance. <<see here>>While it's great to see this level of accountability, my worry is the reason offered... attitude. You can fix injuries and nuture talent but attitude is deep rooted and embedded in the psyche, it's notoriously difficult to turn around. Personally, I'd be rooting out those with poor attitude and showing them the door. Tough I know, but football is a ruthless profession and unlike other careers, you have a performance review every time you show up for work. Without wanting to come across as pedantic, and I know this could be viewed as just semantics, and I appreciate you haven't used speech marks, but I can't see he's used the word 'attitude' in that statement - it's your word not his. The nearest I can find is "... just a complete lack of heart tonight." Not saying that I'm happy to hear he thought there was a 'complete lack of heart'; just saying as these things get repeated and later down the line becomes 'fact'.
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 9, 2024 20:37:55 GMT
The captain on the night, Taylor Moore, has apologised on behalf of himself and his teammates for last night's performance. <<see here>>While it's great to see this level of accountability, my worry is the reason offered... attitude. You can fix injuries and nuture talent but attitude is deep rooted and embedded in the psyche, it's notoriously difficult to turn around. Personally, I'd be rooting out those with poor attitude and showing them the door. Tough I know, but football is a ruthless profession and unlike other careers, you have a performance review every time you show up for work. Without wanting to come across as pedantic, and I know this could be viewed as just semantics, and I appreciate you haven't used speech marks, but I can't see he's used the word 'attitude' in that statement - it's your word not his. The nearest I can find is "... just a complete lack of heart tonight." Not saying that I'm happy to hear he thought there was a 'complete lack of heart'; just saying as these things get repeated and later down the line becomes 'fact'. Granted 'attitude' was not explicitly mentioned by Moore but phrases like: "...the important thing is every time you put on a shirt, no matter what club it is, you actually take personal pride in your own performance and the way you conduct yourself.""The main thing that I can say from us as a team tonight is just a complete lack of heart tonight.""...the actual problem was us the players. "
All scream attitude to me.
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 9, 2024 20:42:00 GMT
The captain on the night, Taylor Moore, has apologised on behalf of himself and his teammates for last night's performance. <<see here>>While it's great to see this level of accountability, my worry is the reason offered... attitude. You can fix injuries and nuture talent but attitude is deep rooted and embedded in the psyche, it's notoriously difficult to turn around. Personally, I'd be rooting out those with poor attitude and showing them the door. Tough I know, but football is a ruthless profession and unlike other careers, you have a performance review every time you show up for work. In your opinion, which player/s in that team has/have a poor attitude? And which player, past or present, had the worst attitude you have seen? Was it Mr Payne or can we think of a worse one?
Only the manager and players can really know the answer to that question, as supporters we only see players performing well... or not. From the outside looking in it's not always easy to tell if a poor performance is due to injury, a dip in form or attitude.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 9, 2024 20:46:44 GMT
Stand-in captain Taylor Moore issues apology to Bristol Rovers supporters for Swindon shambles..By Daniel Hargraves
A much-changed Bristol Rovers side were well-beaten by Swindon Town on Tuesday night, conceding four goals in the first halfi2-prod.bristolpost.co.uk/incoming/article9616776.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_PPAUK_Bristol_Rovers_v_Wigan_Athletic_140924_041JPG.jpgTaylor Moore has personally apologised to supporters on behalf of the Bristol Rovers players who featured in the Gas' 4-0 hammering away at Swindon Town in the Bristol Street Motors Trophy on Tuesday night. The 27-year-old took the armband and was one of nine changes to the starting line up that beat Burton Albion in League One three days prior. However, the much-changed Gas side produced a dismal first half performance, conceding all four goals before the interval with their League Two hosts also making a number of changes from their previous league fixture, including some academy debutants. Reflecting on the game and display, Moore said: "It’s actually hard to put it into words but obviously being captain tonight and speaking on behalf of everyone, the main word that I’m going to put forward is embarrassment. I think each and every one of us, that’s myself included, have got to hold ourselves accountable for what’s happened here tonight. "It’s very easy to point fingers at other people, tactics. Obviously people blame the manager, the owners. That’s an excuse and tonight I’m not deferring whatsoever that the actual problem was us as players. "So the minute we step on that pitch we need to be better. We need to be more professional and I just think from minute one tonight, unfortunately, each and every one of us can say that we’re embarrassed after tonight’s performance. "They’ve come here on a Tuesday night and to every single fan sat up in that stand, I apologise," the stand-in captain added. "As a team we apologise because that’s not acceptable. It’s not our standard. "I know it’s two completely different things, the Bristol Street Motors and the league, I think the fans would all agree on that. But the importance is the same every time you put on the shirt, no matter what club it is or where it is. You actually take personal pride in your own performance and the way you conduct yourself. "I just think that too many of us tonight, again I’m not pointing fingers, I include myself in that, can hang our heads in shame because that is not acceptable. "My assessment is an honest apology to each and every fan that came tonight and every single fan that sat at home and watched it as well. And obviously to the manager. As players I think we’ve got to look at ourselves and think that’s not acceptable, that’s not what the manager and their coaching staff have actually put forward. So apologies to all three of those groups of people but it’s a tough interview to do." On the back of consecutive victories in the league last week to put an end to four defeats in a row, the mood around the club had certainly improved. The Bristol Street Motors Trophy has never been seen as a priority and will always be a controversial competition given it's modern-day format. However, the game was seen as a great opportunity for players on the fringes of the regular starting league side to impress. Instead, it ended up being a desperately poor night for the team. As Moore highlighted, that competition and the league are two completely different entities and it will be the latter that Rovers will direct the vast majority of their focus on for the remainder of the campaign given that they now have a very slim chance of progessing to their knockout stages of the Bristol Street Motors Trophy with a home game against Exeter City later this month while FA Cup duties will begin in early November. The hope will be that the Gas will be able to add to the sliver of momentum built after victories over Charlton and Burton when they face the tough task of Huddersfield Town away when they return from a break induced by international call-ups in the Blackpool squad with the Tangerines originally scheduled to visit the Mem this weekend. Asked whether the break has come at a good time for Rovers have an opening two months full of some highs but a number of lows, the centre-back admitted: "I think if I said no I’d be lying. I think we’ve kind of got through the storm in many ways but we just know that there’s going to be a lot more to come. We’ve got lots of fixtures, big games, big teams and we’re going to come up against some of the big, big teams in the division as well where we’ve just got to attack it. What is there to lose? "We disappointed ourselves with the run of form that we had over four games but we knew deep down that we had more to give. So very proud of the boys, I missed one of the games through suspension and came on against Burton. It’s tough when you’re not involved like that and watching the negative results come in and I think the break has kind of come at a good time for us to reset but also as a footballer you’ve got to pick yourself up and go again every day. "We’re going to use it to kind of reset and full on attack into Huddersfield and the rest of the games coming up." For Moore himself, a red card against Wigan saw the 27-year-old suspended for the defeats against Peterborough and Wycombe and the win over Charlton before making his return from the bench at Burton last weekend. On the upcoming run where he himself will be trying to stake a claim back into the side after starting the opening six league games, the summer addition added: "This is the frustration where we’ve probably come up against teams in and around us, your Wigan’s, Peterborough, Barnsley, where they’re probably not as big as your Birmingham’s, your Wrexham’s and obviously Huddersfield as well. "This is where we’ve had to kind of evaluate where we’re at. An honest assessment as a group and think, ‘right how can we get better, how can we move forward?’ I think the last two results we’ve had in the league have been positive. Gained a little bit of confidence, a little bit of belief back in and amongst us but as one of the senior lads in this group I can say it’s our responsibility to keep driving that dressing room."
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Post by JeffNZ on Oct 9, 2024 20:48:21 GMT
Taylor appeared to make it clear in his post-match interview that the performances from some in last nights game has negatively impacted their chances of being in the league team/squad.
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Post by The Concept on Oct 9, 2024 21:04:50 GMT
Without wanting to come across as pedantic, and I know this could be viewed as just semantics, and I appreciate you haven't used speech marks, but I can't see he's used the word 'attitude' in that statement - it's your word not his. The nearest I can find is "... just a complete lack of heart tonight." Not saying that I'm happy to hear he thought there was a 'complete lack of heart'; just saying as these things get repeated and later down the line becomes 'fact'. Granted 'attitude' was not explicitly mentioned by Moore but phrases like: "...the important thing is every time you put on a shirt, no matter what club it is, you actually take personal pride in your own performance and the way you conduct yourself.""The main thing that I can say from us as a team tonight is just a complete lack of heart tonight.""...the actual problem was us the players. "
All scream attitude to me. mmmm, errrrr, yeah, okay! Like I say, could be viewed as semantics. Perhaps just me - 'attitude' comes across far worse then 'lack of heart'. Like 'lack of heart' is not fully up for it, wasn't giving 100%, could have done better; against 'attitude' being more **** that, can't be bothered, I ain't not doing that, I'll show 'em. But yeah, I can see 'lack of heart' being a type of 'attitude'.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 10, 2024 8:13:42 GMT
Granted 'attitude' was not explicitly mentioned by Moore but phrases like: "...the important thing is every time you put on a shirt, no matter what club it is, you actually take personal pride in your own performance and the way you conduct yourself.""The main thing that I can say from us as a team tonight is just a complete lack of heart tonight.""...the actual problem was us the players. "
All scream attitude to me. mmmm, errrrr, yeah, okay! Like I say, could be viewed as semantics. Perhaps just me - 'attitude' comes across far worse then 'lack of heart'. Like 'lack of heart' is not fully up for it, wasn't giving 100%, could have done better; against 'attitude' being more **** that, can't be bothered, I ain't not doing that, I'll show 'em. But yeah, I can see 'lack of heart' being a type of 'attitude'. Either are equally unacceptable. I thought one of MT's strengths was supposed to be signing players with the right attitude/heart (delete as appropriate). Tier 3 supporters know they are unlikely to see genius at this level. But the one thing they all want to see is some bloody effort! Blood sweat and tears, that's what we want. Stuart Sinclairesque. As opposed to Stefan Paynesque or Tom Nicholsesque.
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 10, 2024 8:26:43 GMT
Attitude is invariably the only explanation for when a team from the championship, for example, travels to Salford and loses 1-0, even taking into account 'leveling' factors such as a poor pitch and/or home support. If the attitude was 100 percent, then surely superior ability would almost always prevail? As we know, this is in fact not the case, with the higher league team's superiority rarely, if ever, being reflected in the margin of victory. If the higher league team do prevail in away games against lower league teams, then it is often by the odd goal or a small gift of fortune.
The smaller team has everything to play for, and the stronger team has nothing to play for. Is this the best explanation for cup 'shocks', including our awe-inspiring victories over PL teams like Derby and Everton, the latter including the most technically gifted English player since Glenn Hoddle (Gascoigne)?
No Gazza in that game for Everton. 2000/2001 season
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