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Post by baselswh on Aug 7, 2024 12:32:21 GMT
Shamima has lost her final appeal.
Apparently that's it,she ain't coming back to the UK.
Shame we still have hundreds of thousands of loopylooploop nutters still living here.
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Post by francegas on Aug 7, 2024 12:35:11 GMT
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Post by francegas on Aug 7, 2024 12:36:04 GMT
For once the courts gets something right.
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Post by Icegas on Aug 7, 2024 14:51:44 GMT
Good.
Nothing more to say.
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Post by trymer on Aug 7, 2024 16:06:52 GMT
A bit of bad luck for her with the timing,I expect they were going to let her come here until the riots started.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 8, 2024 6:20:37 GMT
Shamima of course has the ECHR route left,I forgot about that.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 8, 2024 11:17:04 GMT
A bit of bad luck for her with the timing,I expect they were going to let her come here until the riots started. Interesting that the courts were influenced by riots. Nothing to do with the law then... |
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2024 11:19:01 GMT
A bit of bad luck for her with the timing,I expect they were going to let her come here until the riots started. Interesting that the courts were influenced by riots. Nothing to do with the law then... ðŸ¤ðŸ¤ðŸ¤ |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 8, 2024 11:29:45 GMT
A bit of bad luck for her with the timing,I expect they were going to let her come here until the riots started. Interesting that the courts were influenced by riots. Nothing to do with the law then... What evidence do you have for that Terry? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 8, 2024 12:11:46 GMT
Interesting that the courts were influenced by riots. Nothing to do with the law then... What evidence do you have for that Terry? Do you mean about the riots influencing the decision - I was responding to Trymer's comment implying it was. Or the fact that the Supreme Court makes its decision by it's interpretation of UK law, because that is how the system works..... |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 8, 2024 12:23:44 GMT
What evidence do you have for that Terry? Do you mean about the riots influencing the decision - I was responding to Trymer's comment implying it was. Or the fact that the Supreme Court makes its decision by it's interpretation of UK law, because that is how the system works..... My apologies. I misinterpreted your words. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 8, 2024 12:54:09 GMT
A bit of bad luck for her with the timing,I expect they were going to let her come here until the riots started. Interesting that the courts were influenced by riots. Nothing to do with the law then... I am sure that if Starmer can say to the judges'maximum sentences for rioters and fast justice,no bail if they plead not guilty etc ) he can equally easily make a phone call and say 'ffs dont let her come back whilst its all kicking off here or it could get ten times worse'. No doubt she will win at the court of human rights and get awarded ****loads of compensation, Starmer will be waiting at the bottom of the steps to her plane at Heathrow,down on one knee and with a cheque for her. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 8, 2024 13:39:14 GMT
Interesting that the courts were influenced by riots. Nothing to do with the law then... I am sure that if Starmer can say to the judges'maximum sentences for rioters and fast justice,no bail if they plead not guilty etc ) he can equally easily make a phone call and say 'ffs dont let her come back whilst its all kicking off here or it could get ten times worse'. No doubt she will win at the court of human rights and get awarded ****loads of compensation, Starmer will be waiting at the bottom of the steps to her plane at Heathrow, down on one knee and with a cheque for her.Trymer, that is a silly comment matey. Even if she wins at the ECHR, she will still face justice here and if the previous Government is correct the evidence is overwhelming so she would go straight to prison here any way. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 8, 2024 13:43:15 GMT
I am sure that if Starmer can say to the judges'maximum sentences for rioters and fast justice,no bail if they plead not guilty etc ) he can equally easily make a phone call and say 'ffs dont let her come back whilst its all kicking off here or it could get ten times worse'. No doubt she will win at the court of human rights and get awarded ****loads of compensation, Starmer will be waiting at the bottom of the steps to her plane at Heathrow, down on one knee and with a cheque for her.Trymer, that is a silly comment matey. Even if she wins at the ECHR, she will still face justice here and if the previous Government is correct the evidence is overwhelming so she would go straight to prison here any way. I really hope that you are correct but the whole state of affairs in the country is so upside down that I have no confidence in anything right now. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 8, 2024 13:44:47 GMT
Trymer, that is a silly comment matey. Even if she wins at the ECHR, she will still face justice here and if the previous Government is correct the evidence is overwhelming so she would go straight to prison here any way. I really hope that you are correct but the whole state of affairs in the country is so upside down that I have no confidence in anything right now. You are not alone, and as external countries are interfering in what is going on in the UK, I believe we have to trust our own security services are up to the job countering disinformation. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 8, 2024 13:57:27 GMT
I really hope that you are correct but the whole state of affairs in the country is so upside down that I have no confidence in anything right now. You are not alone, and as external countries are interfering in what is going on in the UK, I believe we have to trust our own security services are up to the job countering disinformation. This morning I was out with the dogs they started playing with a dog that i hadnt seen before and i got talking to the owner,after a few minutes he asked me what i thought about the riots,he said that he wondered if some of the trouble was stirred up by Police agent provocateurs ...he then said that we get told so many lies that how do we even know that the little girls were killed ! Now we can say thats nuts but it proves to me how broken things actually are,admittedly thats one random bloke but i expect that theres hundreds of thousands that dont believe anything any more. I have said before that I believe that Russia whilst they wont get into armed conflict with NATO is paying people to cause criminal acts in European countries including Britain to destabilise our whole society. |
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Post by baldrick on Aug 8, 2024 14:15:45 GMT
You are not alone, and as external countries are interfering in what is going on in the UK, I believe we have to trust our own security services are up to the job countering disinformation. This morning I was out with the dogs they started playing with a dog that i hadnt seen before and i got talking to the owner,after a few minutes he asked me what i thought about the riots,he said that he wondered if some of the trouble was stirred up by Police agent provocateurs ...he then said that we get told so many lies that how do we even know that the little girls were killed ! Now we can say thats nuts but it proves to me how broken things actually are,admittedly thats one random bloke but i expect that theres hundreds of thousands that dont believe anything any more. I have said before that I believe that Russia whilst they wont get into armed conflict with NATO is paying people to cause criminal acts in European countries including Britain to destabilise our whole society. Last paragraph, it's been going on for years. We need to be more vigilant. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 8, 2024 15:06:32 GMT
You are not alone, and as external countries are interfering in what is going on in the UK, I believe we have to trust our own security services are up to the job countering disinformation. This morning I was out with the dogs they started playing with a dog that i hadnt seen before and i got talking to the owner,after a few minutes he asked me what i thought about the riots,he said that he wondered if some of the trouble was stirred up by Police agent provocateurs ...he then said that we get told so many lies that how do we even know that the little girls were killed ! Now we can say thats nuts but it proves to me how broken things actually are,admittedly thats one random bloke but i expect that theres hundreds of thousands that dont believe anything any more. I have said before that I believe that Russia whilst they wont get into armed conflict with NATO is paying people to cause criminal acts in European countries including Britain to destabilise our whole society. Not only Russia, but China. The first paragraph and a US style conspiracy theory. The US conspiracy theorist Alex Johns was found guilty and is having to pay $100s millions in compensation for saying that the Sandy Hook shootings amongst others were a hoax. 100s of conspiracy theories abound in the US such as a certain ex-President still saying he didn't lose the last election. It is aimed to undermine people's faith in the legal system and democracy. It's working here as can be seen with people claiming there is a two tier legal system. Propaganda works and has done for hundreds of years. We are no different today. The internet has made it worse. Facts and information are more widely available but people would rather believe opinions of people who aren't even informed but making things up. We used to think it was ignorance and once people had the facts they would understand. But some people won't accept things that can be proven. Years ago each pub had someone who believed made up stuff, and indeed made up stuff themselves. They were usually patronised and sympathised with. Today they are everywhere and will believe anything. Hence Andrew Tate and those who believed him can spread disinformation so easily and riots can ensue on the back of lies. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2024 15:14:28 GMT
This morning I was out with the dogs they started playing with a dog that i hadnt seen before and i got talking to the owner,after a few minutes he asked me what i thought about the riots,he said that he wondered if some of the trouble was stirred up by Police agent provocateurs ...he then said that we get told so many lies that how do we even know that the little girls were killed ! Now we can say thats nuts but it proves to me how broken things actually are,admittedly thats one random bloke but i expect that theres hundreds of thousands that dont believe anything any more. I have said before that I believe that Russia whilst they wont get into armed conflict with NATO is paying people to cause criminal acts in European countries including Britain to destabilise our whole society. Not only Russia, but China. The first paragraph and a US style conspiracy theory. The US conspiracy theorist Alex Johns was found guilty and is having to pay $100s millions in compensation for saying that the Sandy Hook shootings amongst others were a hoax. 100s of conspiracy theories abound in the US such as a certain ex-President still saying he didn't lose the last election. It is aimed to undermine people's faith in the legal system and democracy. It's working here as can be seen with people claiming there is a two tier legal system. Propaganda works and has done for hundreds of years. We are no different today. The internet has made it worse. Facts and information are more widely available but people would rather believe opinions of people who aren't even informed but making things up. We used to think it was ignorance and once people had the facts they would understand. But some people won't accept things that can be proven. Years ago each pub had someone who believed made up stuff, and indeed made up stuff themselves. They were usually patronised and sympathised with. Today they are everywhere and will believe anything. Hence Andrew Tate and those who believed him can spread disinformation so easily and riots can ensue on the back of lies. Yep. And sadly we read it on here all too often |
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Post by trymer on Aug 8, 2024 15:39:56 GMT
This morning I was out with the dogs they started playing with a dog that i hadnt seen before and i got talking to the owner,after a few minutes he asked me what i thought about the riots,he said that he wondered if some of the trouble was stirred up by Police agent provocateurs ...he then said that we get told so many lies that how do we even know that the little girls were killed ! Now we can say thats nuts but it proves to me how broken things actually are,admittedly thats one random bloke but i expect that theres hundreds of thousands that dont believe anything any more. I have said before that I believe that Russia whilst they wont get into armed conflict with NATO is paying people to cause criminal acts in European countries including Britain to destabilise our whole society. Not only Russia, but China. The first paragraph and a US style conspiracy theory. The US conspiracy theorist Alex Johns was found guilty and is having to pay $100s millions in compensation for saying that the Sandy Hook shootings amongst others were a hoax. 100s of conspiracy theories abound in the US such as a certain ex-President still saying he didn't lose the last election. It is aimed to undermine people's faith in the legal system and democracy. It's working here as can be seen with people claiming there is a two tier legal system. Propaganda works and has done for hundreds of years. We are no different today. The internet has made it worse. Facts and information are more widely available but people would rather believe opinions of people who aren't even informed but making things up. We used to think it was ignorance and once people had the facts they would understand. But some people won't accept things that can be proven. Years ago each pub had someone who believed made up stuff, and indeed made up stuff themselves. They were usually patronised and sympathised with. Today they are everywhere and will believe anything. Hence Andrew Tate and those who believed him can spread disinformation so easily and riots can ensue on the back of lies. I know about Alex Jones, but this wasnt on the internet and this bloke wasnt trying to convince me he was saying that he really didnt believe anything because we are told so many lies. The funny thing is that i kept hearing about Andrew Tate and his dangerous lies online so I watched a couple of his videos,maybe they were the wrong ones because he didnt seem to say anything misogynistic apart from telling a girl that he was with to shut her mouth when she nearly caused them to get into a dangerous incident (i have seen that happen before and he was correct,she wasnt very experienced ) he also mentioned how dangerous he thought that London is,he saw someone being mugged for their watch inside Harrods, the rest wasnt very memorable and didnt seem at all radical to me. I dont drink and I only go into pubs for a meal so I dont meet any pub bores thankfully, I do know that there were always twats who would say things that werent true but couldnt be disproved there and then,they would soon be shown to be bull s*** merchants now. Lots of people have agendas and use events like the riots to further them,people saying that non whites are scared to leave the house is bollox I have seen two black blokes that I know this week,one came to the gym with me the other I met out walking the dogs neither mentioned riots/fear etc,at one gym that I use its majority non white now and there was still the usual amount of people there,mixed race girl down the road i have seen her out every day this week. |
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