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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 25, 2024 8:48:19 GMT
Labour are currently tying themselves in knots as they are being asked to define what they mean by a "working person". Let's not forget their manifesto promise not to increase taxes for "working people".
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2024 8:51:43 GMT
It's quite straightforward Income from investment versus income from actually working,physically or intellectually.
The confusion is only held by Reform Party Supporters because although their dear leader draws a salary, he doesn't actually work for it. Poor souls, no wonder they are confused.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 25, 2024 9:03:09 GMT
It's quite straightforward Income from investment versus income from actually working,physically or intellectually. The confusion is only held by Reform Party Supporters because although their dear leader draws a salary, he doesn't actually work for it. Poor souls, no wonder they are confused. Ha, ha.....that is not quite what various Labour officials have said. According to Rayner it's anyone "affected by the cost of living rise after 14 years of Tory rule" Steven Kinnock reckons that if you are earning over 100k then you are not 'working'. Apparently, if you are a Landlord then you are not 'working'.
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2024 9:39:12 GMT
It's quite straightforward Income from investment versus income from actually working,physically or intellectually. The confusion is only held by Reform Party Supporters because although their dear leader draws a salary, he doesn't actually work for it. Poor souls, no wonder they are confused. Ha, ha.....that is not quite what various Labour officials have said. According to Rayner it's anyone "affected by the cost of living rise after 14 years of Tory rule" Steven Kinnock reckons that if you are earning over 100k then you are not 'working'. Apparently, if you are a Landlord then you are not 'working'. Being a landlord is owning an asset.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 25, 2024 9:51:12 GMT
Labour don't know what a woman is and don't know what working class is.
They must be really stumped by a working class woman.
Don't know their ass from their elbow.
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Post by francegas on Oct 25, 2024 9:52:45 GMT
Ha, ha.....that is not quite what various Labour officials have said. According to Rayner it's anyone "affected by the cost of living rise after 14 years of Tory rule" Steven Kinnock reckons that if you are earning over 100k then you are not 'working'. Apparently, if you are a Landlord then you are not 'working'. Being a landlord is owning an asset. So landlords don't work?
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2024 9:55:20 GMT
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2024 10:01:00 GMT
Being a landlord is owning an asset. So landlords don't work? Don't be simplistic Small landlords, and I mean those with a few properties, absorb the net income into their self assessment returns. Others might set up a Ltd company and run a P&L through the company. It's the "gain" the Treasury are after, plus REITS... www.privatebanking.hsbc.com/investing/alternative-investments/real-estate/
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Post by francegas on Oct 25, 2024 11:38:17 GMT
Isn't Starmer being simplistic by saying Landlords are not working people? He needs to remember that not all landlords are like Tony Blair with a portfolio of some 39 properties valued at £35m. Some landlords own just one rented property yet still work 5 or 6 days a week with the rental income supplementing their income.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 25, 2024 11:38:58 GMT
What Sir Kier Starmer said on 'working people' and tax..i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/24/23/91261815-0-image-a-24_1729809750646.jpgIn an interview with Sky News in Samoa, Keir Starmer was pushed on his manifesto pledge to protect 'working people' from tax rises and how he defined them. 'For working people we made an absolute commitment that their income tax wouldn't go up, their NI wouldn't go up, their VAT wouldn't go up. 'I said that in the campaign, we're going to keep to those promises. We are going to have to make difficult decisions in this budget, I'm not going to preempt the budget you know that. 'But what we are going to do, it's really important that we fix the foundations, that we clear up this mess once and for all and on that we build a better Britain. 'That will be measured in people feeling better off, in the NHS not just back on its feet but fit for the future and public services working in the way that people can expect to see from their public services. 'I would define a working person who goes out and earns their living, usually in a monthly cheque, but that's obviously very broad so let me be clear. 'What I mean, who I have in my mind's eye when I'm making the decisions as Prime Minister are the sorts of working people who go out, work hard and maybe save a bit of money but don't have the wherewithal to write a cheque to get out of difficulties if they or their family get into difficulties. 'People who have got that anxiety if you like in the bottom of their stomach that says, we're doing it all right, but if something were to happen to me or my family I don't have the wherewithal to get out of it. 'When I tell you who's in my mind's eye, I think everyone watching will know whether they are in that category because you carry in that situation a sort of knot in the bottom of the stomach which if push comes to shove and something happens to me and my family I can't just get a cheque book out, even if I have savings. 'They are the sort of people I came into politics for to try and make sure tehy had secure jobs, and didn't have the anxiety of public services not working, to make them feel like they have better opportuniteis... that's who I had in my mind's eye.' 'Pressed on whether that covered people who work but also get money from assets such as property and shares, Sir Keir said: 'They wouldn't meet my definition, but you can probably give me any number of examples, you're adding a second questions to the first which is you're asking me for a definition of a working person and then making assumptions about what kind of taxes could go up. 'You could go through that exercise or you could ensure working people hear from me... people watching this will know whether they are in that group or not, people who work hard, who are anxious to make ends meet, and who know that if something happens to them or their family, they can't just write a cheque book. 'I am really concerned about them, politics for me is who do you have in your mind's eye when you make those decisions, I'm not ideological. 'I made clear promises in the election campaign and I intend to keep those promises, so let me be very clear about that.' i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/24/23/91223505-0-Keir_Starmer_pictured_in_Apia_Samoa_insisted_next_week_s_fiscal_-a-27_1729809907562.jpgKeir Starmer, in Apia, Samoa, insisted next week's fiscal package would 'rebuild' services and the economy
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 25, 2024 11:40:23 GMT
Are you saying that if you own an asset, that generates an income, you are not a "working person"? Is this the Government's view that you support?
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2024 12:26:26 GMT
Isn't Starmer being simplistic by saying Landlords are not working people? He needs to remember that not all landlords are like Tony Blair with a portfolio of some 39 properties valued at £35m. Some landlords own just one rented property yet still work 5 or 6 days a week with the rental income supplementing their income. You miss the point again. In your example it is most likely the landlord would roll the net income from a property into their self assessment return. The NI and tax rate on that assessment are the ones they have committed to not raising. But I already said that🤫
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2024 12:31:37 GMT
Are you saying that if you own an asset, that generates an income, you are not a "working person"? Is this the Government's view that you support? See my response to France
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Post by baldrick on Oct 25, 2024 13:18:25 GMT
Working person = someone salaried to do a job and therefore liable for employee NI and income tax.
As distinct from someone or an entity who earns through drawings or CGT or liable to employer NI or Company taxes?
Is that what they are getting at?
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Post by trymer on Oct 25, 2024 13:19:05 GMT
Being working class is...having to pay for your Taylor Swift tickets and not being bought your clothes by lord alli.
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Post by baldrick on Oct 25, 2024 13:20:08 GMT
Being working class is...having to pay for your Taylor Swift tickets and not being bought your clothes by lord alli. Or working in McDonald's.
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Post by baldrick on Oct 25, 2024 13:21:16 GMT
Reparations for countries/people that endured the evil of the slave trade due to Britains involvement? I'm not a supporter. I would however be open to accepting that a countrys national debt to GB being wiped off the slate. Thing is I don't know if this is appropriate as I don't know what countries may owe us money and how much? Etc. Lets hope that the commonwealth countries vote to kick Britain out of the commonwealth,load of old b0ll0x that it is, I expect that it all costs the British taxpayer £billions suckers that we are. We are free to leave. Is there any international body you are happy to be part of?
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2024 13:46:15 GMT
Working person = someone salaried to do a job and therefore liable for employee NI and income tax. As distinct from someone or an entity who earns through drawings or CGT or liable to employer NI or Company taxes? Is that what they are getting at? Could be🤫
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Post by oldie on Oct 25, 2024 13:47:13 GMT
Lets hope that the commonwealth countries vote to kick Britain out of the commonwealth,load of old b0ll0x that it is, I expect that it all costs the British taxpayer £billions suckers that we are. We are free to leave. Is there any international body you are happy to be part of? The International Society of Under Achievers I reckon
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 25, 2024 13:58:22 GMT
Working person = someone salaried to do a job and therefore liable for employee NI and income tax. As distinct from someone or an entity who earns through drawings or CGT or liable to employer NI or Company taxes? Is that what they are getting at? Could be🤫 No, you are just trying to make things up, just like Labour! Are you saying that a Small Business Owner is not a "working person"? They haven't got a friggin clue as to what they are doing!!!!! "Once again the No 10 communications operation is breaking down. Starmer told broadcast journalists yesterday night that someone who works and also gets income from shares or property “wouldn’t come within my definition” of a “working person.” Today his spokesman clarified that “a person who holds a small amount of savings in stocks and shares still counts as a working person.” Guido cast his mind back to before 5th July, when Labour made a specific pledge in its manifesto: “Labour will not increase taxes on working people”… These are the definitions of “working people” the public was given prior to the election: Reeves: “Working people are people who go out to work and work for their incomes. Sort of by definition, really, working people are those people who go out and work and earn their money through hard work. Some people, who go out to work haven’t been able to build up savings. Many other people who go out to work, have had to run down their savings. But there are people who do have savings, who have been able to save up and those are working people as well.“ Starmer: “Yes, I’m a working person, I come within my own definition of a working person, which is earning my living, paying my taxes and knowing what it means to save money.” Reeves: “Working people are people who get their income from going out to work everyday, and also pensioners that have worked all their lives and are now in retirement, drawing down on their pensions.“ Compare that to now, days before the budget. Starmer: “I have in my mind the sort of people that go out, earn their living, have maybe a bit of savings, but not huge savings. And there when things get a bit tough, they can’t simply get a cheque book out and sort of write their way out of the problems that they’re facing. It’s those people that are working hard, saving where they can. Of course, I think most people try to do that where they can, although it’s difficult. But [it’s] the sort of people that have the anxiety I suppose in the bottom of their stomach that should something happen to them or their family, they know they can’t simply write a cheque to get themselves out of any future difficulty. They’re the people I have most in mind when I make the decisions I make.” Bryant: “[Working people] has become a shorthand in political circles for the people who were particularly disadvantaged in the cost of living crisis…that suddenly meant that people had to find an extra £300 a month for their mortgages so those are the people that we didn’t want to hit, so we wanted to say in the general election we don’t want to take more tax from you and that’s what we said.” Kinnock: “Obviously the definitions have to be seen in the round and that’s what’s going to be put on the table.” Spot the difference? "
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