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Post by baldrick on Aug 28, 2024 21:17:01 GMT
Similar to that with Australia. Do you know the details, or are you just guessing? Only what's been reported, that it would work similarly to that for Australia or New Zealand. I'm asking the question in principle. www.gov.uk/youth-mobility/eligibility
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 28, 2024 21:57:42 GMT
BREAKING NEWS - Keir Starmer plots Outdoor smoking ban: Leaked plans reveal PM's aim to stop people lighting up in pub gardens, near football grounds and in children's parks - sparking fears for hospitality sector and 'nanny state' accusations..by Iwan Stonei.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/28/22/89035343-13789943-image-a-45_1724879699392.jpgNightclub smoking areas, restaurant terraces and children's parks could all be axed in shock new plans by Keir Starmer 's Labour governmentSmoking is set to be banned in pub gardens, a leaked report has revealed - as well as outside football grounds and in children's parks. Nightclub smoking areas, restaurant terraces and even shisha bars could all have their right to light up axed in shock new plans by Keir Starmer's Labour government. Pavements by universities and hospitals are also expected to be smoke-free zones, according to secret Whitehall papers seen by The Sun. It comes under a bill that was first introduced by Rishi Sunak - which was a plan to phase out all smoking. But the King's Speech made no mention of an outdoor ban. Brits will still be allowed to smoke in their own homes and large open spaces, like streets and parks. But other locations are said to be grey areas and still under discussion - including beaches and enclosed, popular parks. The report also mentions vape-free zones, although it is unclear whether the ban could also include e-cigarettes. The shock move is expected to spark fury towards Starmer's party - with criticism of 'nanny state' politics and memos from the Business Department already warning the hospitality sector could be hit. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/28/22/89035347-13789943-image-a-54_1724880541419.jpgA recent impact assessment has even found that banning smoking outdoors could cost jobs and force even more pubs to close, the tabloid reports. It could spell the end of the shisha bar industry in the UK, which held more than 500 national locations in 2022. But amid rising fears as to the effect cigarettes could have on the nation's health, it is reported that the Prime Minister is set to press forward with the bill. He is said to have the backing of Chief Medical officer Professor Chris Whitty, while ministers will argue that the economic benefits outweigh its potential costs. Ministers are expected to claim smoking costs £21.8billion in health spending, and will hark back to Tony Blair's ban on public smoking in 2007. A public consultation will be launched over the ban, but this is not expected to sway the radical plans. It comes despite a 2020 government release explicitly warning that banning cigarettes in pub gardens could 'lead to significant closures and job losses'. It comes just months after the House of Commons overwhelmingly approved the second reading of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, inching the government closer to enforcing in law that anyone born after January 1 2009 would never be able to legally buy cigarettes. If eventually passed, it would have meant that the age at which people can purchase cigarettes will be raised by one year annually. It was planned to give the Government powers to tackle youth vaping, with restrictions on flavours and new rules on packaging and selling vapes. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/28/22/89036347-13789943-image-a-55_1724881153226.jpgShisha bars could also be hit by the controversial plans - which brings fears that the hospitality sector will be hitJust last month, it was revealed there has been a 17 per cent surge in cases over the last two decades with the likes of liver, throat and kidney cancers doubling in this time, according to analysis by Cancer Research UK. While smoking rates are falling, the growing population means there are still around 6.4 million smokers in the UK. Data from the charity shows there were around 57,600 diagnoses of cancers caused by smoking in 2023, compared to 49,325 in 2003. Tobacco is known to cause 16 different types of cancer, with lung cancer alone causing 33,000 cases annually. A Department for Health and Social Care spokesperson aid: 'We do not comment on leaks. 'Smoking claims 80,000 lives a year, puts huge pressure on our NHS and costs taxpayers billions. 'We are determined to protect children and non-smokers from second-hand smoking. We're considering a range of measures to finally make Britain smoke-free.'
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 28, 2024 21:58:14 GMT
Do you know the details, or are you just guessing? Only what's been reported, that it would work similarly to that for Australia or New Zealand. I'm asking the question in principle. www.gov.uk/youth-mobility/eligibilityAs I have said, I will reserve judgement until after we have the details. At the moment there isn't a problem with Youth Mobility in Europe. I am no youth, but I live in the UK and work in Germany. It's not a problem.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 28, 2024 22:06:45 GMT
As I have said, I will reserve judgement until after we have the details. At the moment there isn't a problem with Youth Mobility in Europe. I am no youth, but I live in the UK and work in Germany. It's not a problem. It's wise to want to know the details, but life and politics isn't always that clear, hence my question in principle. If it's mirroring existing arrangements as I've linked above, then I don't see a problem.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 29, 2024 6:22:22 GMT
This "Youth Mobility Scheme" is being proposed by the Germans, and it's for under 35's! So, how about this.....a migrant to German, under the age of 35, gets his papers, which then allows him access to the UK?
As I have said, what are the details?
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Post by icegas on Aug 29, 2024 6:28:11 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Aug 29, 2024 7:15:31 GMT
This "Youth Mobility Scheme" is being proposed by the Germans, and it's for under 35's! So, how about this.....a migrant to German, under the age of 35, gets his papers, which then allows him access to the UK? As I have said, what are the details? Same for Australia, etc. Do you have a problem with that?
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Post by baldrick on Aug 29, 2024 7:17:07 GMT
Is he? Or is he trying to get some changes? In the same speech he said no to youth movement, single market and Customs union.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 29, 2024 7:22:04 GMT
This "Youth Mobility Scheme" is being proposed by the Germans, and it's for under 35's! So, how about this.....a migrant to German, under the age of 35, gets his papers, which then allows him access to the UK? As I have said, what are the details? Same for Australia, etc. Do you have a problem with that? I think using the term "youth" for the under 35's is stretching things just a tad. How can you claim that this will be the same as the Australian deal when you admit you don't know any details?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 29, 2024 7:28:23 GMT
Is he? Or is he trying to get some changes? In the same speech he said no to youth movement, single market and Customs union. It looks as though Starmer will be using the old trick Brown used, Apparently, the Lisbon Treaty was just that, a Treaty. Therefore no Referendum is required. A sitting government can sign a Treaty. The EU did this when the EU Constitution was rejected by Ireland, France and Holland. They just changed a few words and called it a Treaty. The same with Major and the Maastricht Treaty. Huge changes to the way the UK is ran and governed without asking the people.
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Post by icegas on Aug 29, 2024 7:31:49 GMT
Is he? Or is he trying to get some changes? In the same speech he said no to youth movement, single market and Customs union. It looks as though Starmer will be using the old trick Brown used, Apparently, the Lisbon Treaty was just that, a Treaty. Therefore no Referendum is required. A sitting government can sign a Treaty. The EU did this when the EU Constitution was rejected by Ireland, France and Holland. They just changed a few words and called it a Treaty. The same with Major and the Maastricht Treaty. Huge changes to the way the UK is ran and governed without asking the people. That's my point.👍
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Post by baldrick on Aug 29, 2024 7:33:42 GMT
Same for Australia, etc. Do you have a problem with that? I think using the term "youth" for the under 35's is stretching things just a tad. How can you claim that this will be the same as the Australian deal when you admit you don't know any details? Look at the government link I posted. I was only asking in principle, I take it you don't want to commit without knowing the terms, fair enough, but I'm not asking you to sign up to anything, just whether you'd be willing in principle.
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Post by icegas on Aug 29, 2024 7:34:15 GMT
Is he? Or is he trying to get some changes? In the same speech he said no to youth movement, single market and Customs union. What changes are needed? Just follow the will of the people. Under this man we are honestly very close to a dictatorship... I honestly can't believe what he has done in two months.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 29, 2024 7:35:38 GMT
It looks as though Starmer will be using the old trick Brown used, Apparently, the Lisbon Treaty was just that, a Treaty. Therefore no Referendum is required. A sitting government can sign a Treaty. The EU did this when the EU Constitution was rejected by Ireland, France and Holland. They just changed a few words and called it a Treaty. The same with Major and the Maastricht Treaty. Huge changes to the way the UK is ran and governed without asking the people. That's my point.👍 Maybe, but you are taking one set of comments and ignoring the others. We aren't going back in imo.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 29, 2024 7:36:37 GMT
Is he? Or is he trying to get some changes? In the same speech he said no to youth movement, single market and Customs union. What changes are needed? Just follow the will of the people. Under this man we are honestly very close to a dictatorship... I honestly can't believe what he has done in two months. He's stated areas to amend, all known before the election.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 29, 2024 8:26:49 GMT
I think using the term "youth" for the under 35's is stretching things just a tad. How can you claim that this will be the same as the Australian deal when you admit you don't know any details? Look at the government link I posted. I was only asking in principle, I take it you don't want to commit without knowing the terms, fair enough, but I'm not asking you to sign up to anything, just whether you'd be willing in principle. The link you posted as no relevance though. The proposal has been put forward by the German Government, not the UK Government. In principle the youth of today have no problems with mobility in Europe, really they don't. I am a political cynic and I wonder just what is behind this German proposal. As I have said, could it be used to offload a lot of migrants from Germany, who just happen to be under the age of 35? The devil is, as always with politicians, in the detail.
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Post by oldie on Aug 29, 2024 9:46:07 GMT
Look at the government link I posted. I was only asking in principle, I take it you don't want to commit without knowing the terms, fair enough, but I'm not asking you to sign up to anything, just whether you'd be willing in principle. The link you posted as no relevance though. The proposal has been put forward by the German Government, not the UK Government. In principle the youth of today have no problems with mobility in Europe, really they don't. I am a political cynic and I wonder just what is behind this German proposal. As I have said, could it be used to offload a lot of migrants from Germany, who just happen to be under the age of 35? The devil is, as always with politicians, in the detail. I didn't know that. So if you are under a certain age there are no time limits on remaining in an EU country?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 29, 2024 10:02:25 GMT
The link you posted as no relevance though. The proposal has been put forward by the German Government, not the UK Government. In principle the youth of today have no problems with mobility in Europe, really they don't. I am a political cynic and I wonder just what is behind this German proposal. As I have said, could it be used to offload a lot of migrants from Germany, who just happen to be under the age of 35? The devil is, as always with politicians, in the detail. I didn't know that. So if you are under a certain age there are no time limits on remaining in an EU country? There are time limits to staying in practically any country in the world, you know that so why bother with your pointless question? But it's the term "youth" here which is the worry. I don't classify the 'youth' as being under 35! "youth" tends to imply we are talking about students. If it's under 35's we're basically talking about taking the first big step towards Freedom of Movement being reintroduced.
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Post by oldie on Aug 29, 2024 12:05:19 GMT
"In principle the youth of today have no problems with mobility in Europe"
So that's not quite true then
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 29, 2024 12:18:15 GMT
"In principle the youth of today have no problems with mobility in Europe" So that's not quite true then Yes, it is true. Why don't you point out the so-called problems that the youth face with mobility in the EU?
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