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Post by trymer on Jul 22, 2024 7:42:19 GMT
So Joe is still President for some time,until January. This is more madness. What, you expect a new president in place for six months before a new president takes over? Don't be so silly. That is one of the more ridiculous criticisms you've come up with. So, Joe Biden is so demented that he cannot run to be President again....but its fine for him to stay on as President for the next 6 months whilst the World is in more danger of WW3 than ever ? There would never be a better time for China/Russia/North Korea/Iran to cause mayhem than now because the leader of the most powerful country in the World is mentally ill. The Democrats should depose Biden and replace him with Harris,that's one reason why she is VP to take over in an emergency situation.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 22, 2024 7:44:07 GMT
So they have President Biden,a man clearly struggling,for the next half a year. Harris must frighten many Democrats then ,if they still prefer Joe. If Biden steps down, which is a strong possibility, Harris becomes President under the Constitution. In any event does anyone really think she is not now heavily involved in "Presidential" decisions? In that case,why won't Joe stand down?
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Post by trymer on Jul 22, 2024 7:51:32 GMT
This "Trump would be a disater for the World" idea, I want to know why wasnt there a major war during his 4 years Presidency then ?....he met with Russian/Chinese/North Korean leaders and they caused no problems....he was on top of Iran too....
Bidens Presidency....Russia full scale invasion of Ukraine and causing problems elsewhere...China helping out Russia,threatening Taiwan making an alliance with Russia etc...North Korea sending arms and equipment (and troops ?) to support Russia,missile tests threatening Japan and South Korea.....Iran supporting and supplying Hamas and Hezbollah in attacks on Israel, supporting and supplying Houthi missile attacks, supporting militia attacks in Iraq and Syria...
Yet Trump is dangerous ?...I just dont see it.
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Post by oldie on Jul 22, 2024 7:55:21 GMT
As I said I watched that fateful debate and thought immediately that Biden had to withdraw. I am relieved therefore that he has. Intellectually Harris wipes the floor with Trump but as is often the case that ability is not always what chimes with voters.
I hope she goes after Trump, his record (loading $8 trillion of debt onto the government pile, a chaotic administration, a farcical COVID response, expressed admiration for leaders in North Korea and Russia, to name just a few) And of course his constant lying and appalling personal behaviour.
It's doable. In 2016 Hilary Clinton who was not universally liked secured 65.85 million votes at 48.2% to Trumps 62.98 million at 46.1% and Biden secured victory by an even greater margin, having secured 81.2 million votes to Trumps 74.2 million.
Let's hope that voting pattern is maintained and we can consign this buffoon to history
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Post by oldie on Jul 22, 2024 7:56:20 GMT
If Biden steps down, which is a strong possibility, Harris becomes President under the Constitution. In any event does anyone really think she is not now heavily involved in "Presidential" decisions? In that case,why won't Joe stand down? Think about it.
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Post by icegas on Jul 22, 2024 7:58:49 GMT
So they have President Biden,a man clearly struggling,for the next half a year. Harris must frighten many Democrats then ,if they still prefer Joe. If Biden steps down, which is a strong possibility, Harris becomes President under the Constitution. In any event does anyone really think she is not now heavily involved in "Presidential" decisions? Mr Accuser... That's a fair point, and one that I've not thought about. Willie Brown's former lover could be the president by default come November. The first Black Indian woman president of America.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 22, 2024 7:58:55 GMT
In that case,why won't Joe stand down? Think about it. Trump would demolish Harris in the election?
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Post by oldie on Jul 22, 2024 8:00:12 GMT
This "Trump would be a disater for the World" idea, I want to know why wasnt there a major war during his 4 years Presidency then ?....he met with Russian/Chinese/North Korean leaders and they caused no problems....he was on top of Iran too.... Bidens Presidency....Russia full scale invasion of Ukraine and causing problems elsewhere...China helping out Russia,threatening Taiwan making an alliance with Russia etc...North Korea sending arms and equipment (and troops ?) to support Russia,missile tests threatening Japan and South Korea.....Iran supporting and supplying Hamas and Hezbollah in attacks on Israel, supporting and supplying Houthi missile attacks, supporting militia attacks in Iraq and Syria... Yet Trump is dangerous ?...I just dont see it. Some judicious redaction of history here
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Post by oldie on Jul 22, 2024 8:01:41 GMT
Trump would demolish Harris in the election? What would that have to do with Harris taking the reigns now? Try harder
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Post by icegas on Jul 22, 2024 8:06:18 GMT
As I said I watched that fateful debate and thought immediately that Biden had to withdraw. I am relieved therefore that he has. Intellectually Harris wipes the floor with Trump but as is often the case that ability is not always what chimes with voters. I hope she goes after Trump, his record (loading $8 trillion of debt onto the government pile, a chaotic administration, a farcical COVID response, expressed admiration for leaders in North Korea and Russia, to name just a few) And of course his constant lying and appalling personal behaviour. It's doable. In 2016 Hilary Clinton who was not universally liked secured 65.85 million votes at 48.2% to Trumps 62.98 million at 46.1% and Biden secured victory by an even greater margin, having secured 81.2 million votes to Trumps 74.2 million. Let's hope that voting pattern is maintained and we can consign this buffoon to history Intellectually, how does Harris wipe the floor with Trump? A self made billionaire going against a boring,dull bird that basically slept her way to the top while playing the race card even tho it's not the case? Also, wasn't it under the Trump administration that created this "farcical" COVID and vaccine response that somehow got rolled out 3 weeks after Biden took office! π€
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Post by baselswh on Jul 22, 2024 8:10:11 GMT
Trump would demolish Harris in the election? What would that have to do with Harris taking the reigns now? Try harder Oldie,just say why Joe has'nt yet stood down when considering Harris is heavily involved in decision making ,please.
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Post by oldie on Jul 22, 2024 8:15:24 GMT
As I said I watched that fateful debate and thought immediately that Biden had to withdraw. I am relieved therefore that he has. Intellectually Harris wipes the floor with Trump but as is often the case that ability is not always what chimes with voters. I hope she goes after Trump, his record (loading $8 trillion of debt onto the government pile, a chaotic administration, a farcical COVID response, expressed admiration for leaders in North Korea and Russia, to name just a few) And of course his constant lying and appalling personal behaviour. It's doable. In 2016 Hilary Clinton who was not universally liked secured 65.85 million votes at 48.2% to Trumps 62.98 million at 46.1% and Biden secured victory by an even greater margin, having secured 81.2 million votes to Trumps 74.2 million. Let's hope that voting pattern is maintained and we can consign this buffoon to history Intellectually, how does Harris wipe the floor with Trump? A self made billionaire going against a boring,dull bird that basically slept her way to the top while playing the race card even tho it's not the case? Also, wasn't it under the Trump administration that created this "farcical" COVID and vaccine response that somehow got rolled out 3 weeks after Biden took office! π€ I will ignore the blatant misogyny. On COVID, you obviously didn't watch Trump's press conferences on the topic (bleach anyone?) and sight of the top medics in the room squirming and rolling their eyes as the stream of banal ignorance came out of his mouth.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 22, 2024 8:16:48 GMT
So they have President Biden,a man clearly struggling,for the next half a year. Harris must frighten many Democrats then ,if they still prefer Joe. If Biden steps down, which is a strong possibility, Harris becomes President under the Constitution. In any event does anyone really think she is not now heavily involved in "Presidential" decisions? No, I do not think she is heavily involved in "Presidential decisions". The Clinton's want her, but the Obama's do not. Both factions are hugely instrumental in the Democratic Party. I think there is a bit of an internal power struggle going on here within the Party. The argument they are currently having is whether to hold an "Open" nomination Congress, where anyone can put themselves forward, or a "Closed" nomination Congress where only the annointed (Harris) can run. The Clinton's want a closed one, the Obama's want an open one. Then there is the question of finances. Any money raised/donated by the Biden/Harris ticket can only be used by one of those two people. This is Federal Law. If it is not, then it has to be returned to those who donated. Here we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. If they choose someone other than Harris, then the money has to be returned, and new money raised by the new candidate. This will be pretty difficult to achieve in a matter of weeks. Then there are the optics. How would it look if the box ticking Democrats replaced a black woman with a white man? So, they are limited to replacing Harris with either another woman who is white, or a black woman. The only person who fits the bill is Michelle Obama, but apparently she hated every second of her time in the White House and has vowed never to return. However, this is politics. Is this why the Obama's want an Open Congress, so Michelle could step forward? Maybe she has been told that if she win's the election she wouldn't have to do much as the people in the background will run things as they have been doing for Biden?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 22, 2024 8:21:57 GMT
If Biden steps down, which is a strong possibility, Harris becomes President under the Constitution. In any event does anyone really think she is not now heavily involved in "Presidential" decisions? In that case,why won't Joe stand down? He cannot step down as President because this will be an admission that he is in mental decline, and the questions will then be asked as to how long those at the top in the Democratic Party knew about this. We all know he is in mental decline, but the official line was that everything was fine.
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Post by icegas on Jul 22, 2024 8:40:46 GMT
Intellectually, how does Harris wipe the floor with Trump? A self made billionaire going against a boring,dull bird that basically slept her way to the top while playing the race card even tho it's not the case? Also, wasn't it under the Trump administration that created this "farcical" COVID and vaccine response that somehow got rolled out 3 weeks after Biden took office! π€ I will ignore the blatant misogyny. On COVID, you obviously didn't watch Trump's press conferences on the topic (bleach anyone?) and sight of the top medics in the room squirming and rolling their eyes as the stream of banal ignorance came out of his mouth. Mr Accuser...coming from the point of Slander again are we...π Do you even understand what the word that you have accused me of in Misogyny, and it's meaning? As I never did that btw. Anyway.. As for the bleach thing...I have personally seen the whole video of this situation and it was heavily edited and he said something completely different to which was shown and which I guess you have only watched? I would search for the whole video but there is no point as you will only dismiss it and probably not even watch it with any unbiased stance. But that's the main stream media for ya!
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Post by icegas on Jul 22, 2024 8:42:30 GMT
In that case,why won't Joe stand down? He cannot step down as President because this will be an admission that he is in mental decline, and the questions will then be asked as to how long those at the top in the Democratic Party knew about this. We all know he is in mental decline, but the official line was that everything was fine. Which has endangered the world,and put Russia, China and Iran in the traps to leap..
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Post by trymer on Jul 22, 2024 8:45:06 GMT
In that case,why won't Joe stand down? He cannot step down as President because this will be an admission that he is in mental decline, and the questions will then be asked as to how long those at the top in the Democratic Party knew about this. We all know he is in mental decline, but the official line was that everything was fine. Yes and when asked Starmer said that Biden was fine...says a lot about Starmer's judgment.
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Post by trymer on Jul 22, 2024 8:47:42 GMT
If Biden steps down, which is a strong possibility, Harris becomes President under the Constitution. In any event does anyone really think she is not now heavily involved in "Presidential" decisions? No, I do not think she is heavily involved in "Presidential decisions". The Clinton's want her, but the Obama's do not. Both factions are hugely instrumental in the Democratic Party. I think there is a bit of an internal power struggle going on here within the Party. The argument they are currently having is whether to hold an "Open" nomination Congress, where anyone can put themselves forward, or a "Closed" nomination Congress where only the annointed (Harris) can run. The Clinton's want a closed one, the Obama's want an open one. Then there is the question of finances. Any money raised/donated by the Biden/Harris ticket can only be used by one of those two people. This is Federal Law. If it is not, then it has to be returned to those who donated. Here we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. If they choose someone other than Harris, then the money has to be returned, and new money raised by the new candidate. This will be pretty difficult to achieve in a matter of weeks. Then there are the optics. How would it look if the box ticking Democrats replaced a black woman with a white man? So, they are limited to replacing Harris with either another woman who is white, or a black woman. The only person who fits the bill is Michelle Obama, but apparently she hated every second of her time in the White House and has vowed never to return. However, this is politics. Is this why the Obama's want an Open Congress, so Michelle could step forward? Maybe she has been told that if she win's the election she wouldn't have to do much as the people in the background will run things as they have been doing for Biden? I keep nhearing Michelle Obama but she hasnt got any experience and would just be a puppet President with her husband pulling her strings, "woman who is white" = Hillary Clinton...or possibly Gretchen Whitmyer.....but I think it should be Harris.
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Post by icegas on Jul 22, 2024 8:57:23 GMT
No, I do not think she is heavily involved in "Presidential decisions". The Clinton's want her, but the Obama's do not. Both factions are hugely instrumental in the Democratic Party. I think there is a bit of an internal power struggle going on here within the Party. The argument they are currently having is whether to hold an "Open" nomination Congress, where anyone can put themselves forward, or a "Closed" nomination Congress where only the annointed (Harris) can run. The Clinton's want a closed one, the Obama's want an open one. Then there is the question of finances. Any money raised/donated by the Biden/Harris ticket can only be used by one of those two people. This is Federal Law. If it is not, then it has to be returned to those who donated. Here we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. If they choose someone other than Harris, then the money has to be returned, and new money raised by the new candidate. This will be pretty difficult to achieve in a matter of weeks. Then there are the optics. How would it look if the box ticking Democrats replaced a black woman with a white man? So, they are limited to replacing Harris with either another woman who is white, or a black woman. The only person who fits the bill is Michelle Obama, but apparently she hated every second of her time in the White House and has vowed never to return. However, this is politics. Is this why the Obama's want an Open Congress, so Michelle could step forward? Maybe she has been told that if she win's the election she wouldn't have to do much as the people in the background will run things as they have been doing for Biden? I keep nhearing Michelle Obama but she hasnt got any experience and would just be a puppet President with her husband pulling her strings, "woman who is white" = Hillary Clinton...or possibly Gretchen Whitmyer.....but I think itΒ should be Harris. You are using the wrong pronoun there to describe the Obama with the larger phallus.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 22, 2024 9:04:03 GMT
No, I do not think she is heavily involved in "Presidential decisions". The Clinton's want her, but the Obama's do not. Both factions are hugely instrumental in the Democratic Party. I think there is a bit of an internal power struggle going on here within the Party. The argument they are currently having is whether to hold an "Open" nomination Congress, where anyone can put themselves forward, or a "Closed" nomination Congress where only the annointed (Harris) can run. The Clinton's want a closed one, the Obama's want an open one. Then there is the question of finances. Any money raised/donated by the Biden/Harris ticket can only be used by one of those two people. This is Federal Law. If it is not, then it has to be returned to those who donated. Here we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. If they choose someone other than Harris, then the money has to be returned, and new money raised by the new candidate. This will be pretty difficult to achieve in a matter of weeks. Then there are the optics. How would it look if the box ticking Democrats replaced a black woman with a white man? So, they are limited to replacing Harris with either another woman who is white, or a black woman. The only person who fits the bill is Michelle Obama, but apparently she hated every second of her time in the White House and has vowed never to return. However, this is politics. Is this why the Obama's want an Open Congress, so Michelle could step forward? Maybe she has been told that if she win's the election she wouldn't have to do much as the people in the background will run things as they have been doing for Biden? I keep nhearing Michelle Obama but she hasnt got any experience and would just be a puppet President with her husband pulling her strings, "woman who is white" = Hillary Clinton...or possibly Gretchen Whitmyer.....but I think it should be Harris. "someone" has been pulling Biden's strings for the last couple of years, so nothing would change.
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