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Post by baselswh on May 27, 2024 13:36:24 GMT
The Conservatives say it could make a return. I don't suppose this will happen, least of all because almost certainly Labour will soon be in power and they're more likely to lower the voting age,than impose National Service.
In the scenario it were to happen.
One year in the military or one year doing your bit for society.
I imagine the parks would soon be litter free.
We live in a dangerous world.Let's face it,we even have plenty of enemies living amongst us and as things begin to look worse,not better, i would'nt want to see Muslims given any military training,too many pro Hamas and UK haters amongst their ranks.Give them a broom to tidy the streets.Etc.
Generally though,it seems as though our homeland defence needs strengthening and so I would'nt be against a return to National Service.The baby brains with knives might find a purpose in life after a spell in the military eg.
National Service is a used in other countries, Switzerland eg.
A 5 year experiment to see how it goes perhaps.
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Post by ltdgas on May 27, 2024 16:30:52 GMT
Never happen , lefty lawyers will be along with the normal crap to stop it
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Post by trymer on May 27, 2024 16:46:00 GMT
Epping recently mentioned the brilliant Yes minister/prime minister tv comedy from the 80s,this sudden proposal of Sunaks for national service is alomost a copy of 'The Grand design' Yes Prime minister...maybe Sunaks been watching on Youtube to get some ideas.
There is a book thats worth reading 'The dead the dying and the damned' its about national servicemen in the Korean war,the author John Hollands was a national service officer,I think he was the most decorated national serviceman.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 27, 2024 16:57:39 GMT
As an ex-serviceman I am totally against the idea of National Service in the military. It's absurd.
However, a form of service helping out in care homes etc could be the way forward.
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Post by francegas on May 27, 2024 18:49:16 GMT
Whilst this will not happen as Starmer will drop the idea when he is elected I find his reference of "Teenage Dads Army" somewhat disrespectful. Boys as young as 14 lied about their age during WW2 so they could fight for their country so as to help give us the freedom we all enjoy today.
Personally I have no issues about National Service or community work. Pity the UK doesn't follow the Dutch way where everyone who claims welfare has to undertake community service or could have their benefits reduced.
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Post by lostinspace on May 27, 2024 21:25:09 GMT
Whilst this will not happen as Starmer will drop the idea when he is elected I find his reference of "Teenage Dads Army" somewhat disrespectful. Boys as young as 14 lied about their age during WW2 so they could fight for their country so as to help give us the freedom we all enjoy today. Personally I have no issues about National Service or community work. Pity the UK doesn't follow the Dutch way where everyone who claims welfare has to undertake community service or could have their benefits reduced. HE may be elected as PM,but not too far back the muttering was getting him out as soon as "WE" are in,not sure if he has the total tea party behind him,but might be an interesting first 6 months if they have full control of the house... |
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Post by ltdgas on May 28, 2024 7:46:40 GMT
Whilst this will not happen as Starmer will drop the idea when he is elected I find his reference of "Teenage Dads Army" somewhat disrespectful. Boys as young as 14 lied about their age during WW2 so they could fight for their country so as to help give us the freedom we all enjoy today. Personally I have no issues about National Service or community work. Pity the UK doesn't follow the Dutch way where everyone who claims welfare has to undertake community service or could have their benefits reduced. HE may be elected as PM,but not too far back the muttering was getting him out as soon as "WE" are in,not sure if he has the total tea party behind him,but might be an interesting first 6 months if they have full control of the house... Those muttering continue , keeping our powder dry until After the election is what the Labour councillors keep saying when interviewed, unions arnt happy , momentum seem strangely quiet , You’ve still the McDonald’s / burgeons in the background He will win the election no doubt , but I believe peace in the Labour Party will not last long |
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 7:58:32 GMT
Wishful thinking here.
None of you have the slightest clue about the internal debates within the Labour Party.
The bigger question is who will lead the Tory Party if they are defeated and the defeat is as bad as is being discussed. What direction will they go...
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Post by ltdgas on May 28, 2024 8:07:28 GMT
My gut feeling is we’re not seeing what starmer really believes in , he’s saying / doing what he needs todo to win a election , when he does I believe his policy’s will move to the left & align far more with the unions / momentum’s views .
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Post by eppinggas on May 28, 2024 8:15:33 GMT
Epping recently mentioned the brilliant Yes minister/prime minister tv comedy from the 80s,this sudden proposal of Sunaks for national service is alomost a copy of 'The Grand design' Yes Prime minister...maybe Sunaks been watching on Youtube to get some ideas. There is a book thats worth reading 'The dead the dying and the damned' its about national servicemen in the Korean war,the author John Hollands was a national service officer,I think he was the most decorated national serviceman. Well remembered Sir! Those TV series are just as relevant today as they have ever been. Margaret Thatcher's favourite TV programme. The only radical Government we've had in my lifetime and she spent years fighting against the Blob and trying to force through actual 'change'. How bitterly ironic we now see Starmer with that word across all his campaign material. If you want to know who actually runs the country, ask Sir Humphrey. A vote for Labour or the Conservatives is a vote for Sir Humphrey and the Blob. |
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Post by lostinspace on May 28, 2024 8:44:26 GMT
Wishful thinking here. None of you have the slightest clue about the internal debates within the Labour Party. The bigger question is who will lead the Tory Party if they are defeated and the defeat is as bad as is being discussed. What direction will they go... re internal machinations of the L party... and you do? ....so please fill us in with all the goodies that you believe SKS will deliver ........not just in his electioneering speeches ...but the actual deliverance |
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 9:42:02 GMT
Wishful thinking here. None of you have the slightest clue about the internal debates within the Labour Party. The bigger question is who will lead the Tory Party if they are defeated and the defeat is as bad as is being discussed. What direction will they go... Sorry Oldie, but the real bigger question is how will Labour govern when they are elected, as they will be. How the Tories recover from this is not important. Now is the time when Labour should be telling us what they will do, so that their policies can be viewed, discussed, analyzed & even challenged. |
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 9:56:37 GMT
Wishful thinking here. None of you have the slightest clue about the internal debates within the Labour Party. The bigger question is who will lead the Tory Party if they are defeated and the defeat is as bad as is being discussed. What direction will they go... Sorry Oldie, but the real bigger question is how will Labour govern when they are elected, as they will be. How the Tories recover from this is not important. Now is the time when Labour should be telling us what they will do, so that their policies can be viewed, discussed, analyzed & even challenged. I agree. But I was responding to the "I heard" etc |
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 10:01:37 GMT
Wishful thinking here. None of you have the slightest clue about the internal debates within the Labour Party. The bigger question is who will lead the Tory Party if they are defeated and the defeat is as bad as is being discussed. What direction will they go... re internal machinations of the L party... and you do? ....so please fill us in with all the goodies that you believe SKS will deliver ........not just in his electioneering speeches ...but the actual deliverance Whether I do or I do not, it is not me making up stories about the internal politics of the Labour Party, is it? |
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Post by ltdgas on May 28, 2024 13:12:31 GMT
re internal machinations of the L party... and you do? ....so please fill us in with all the goodies that you believe SKS will deliver ........not just in his electioneering speeches ...but the actual deliverance Whether I do or I do not, it is not me making up stories about the internal politics of the Labour Party, is it? Stories , it was labour councillors ringing into lbc I heard , O’Brien / lammy when he was on there , not in our name , these arnt labour policies , lammy was getting in a right state over it all , read up , the unions arnt happy with starmer over his rowing back over workers right , mp after mo resigning / having the whip took off them over palestian , ex mp going independent to oust labour mps , momentum very strangely gone quiet Starmer now saying I’m a socialist , Rachael reeves now announcing she’s a social democrat |
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 14:59:00 GMT
But what about Frank Spencer?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 15:10:25 GMT
But what about Frank Spencer? He'll be Labour's Foreign Secretary. |
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 15:24:47 GMT
National Service in the military, well it isn't that which is being proposed. It'll only be 30,000 to go into the military. The rest will do social work like working in care homes etc.
Personally, I think the current idea being floated is a joke.
However, a form of social work can be a good idea. Personally I think anyone who is long-term unemployed (say, longer than two years) should conduct social work, even for one or two days a week. Failure to attend will result in benefits being stopped. Here is a scenario in Germany as to how this would work. A removal company wins a large contract to move the offices of a large company from one location to another. They obviously don't have enough people employed to conduct this, so they apply to the "Labour Office" for people. The Labour Office will then contact a number of unemployed to go and work for the company on a temporary basis to fulfil the contract. While working for the company that person will receive the normal going rate for that job. It saves the taxpayer from paying the benefits during the work period, it gives the unemployed person a sense of satisfaction and helps re-introduce them to the workforce, and the company gets a temporary uplift in personal to complete the one-off contract.
There are other areas in the UK that could benefit from this, from farm work to crop picking or even picking up litter on the streets. We have to move away from the idea of society giving money to people to do nothing. If the long-term unemployed want help from society then they must be prepared to give something back and help society.
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 17:03:43 GMT
It's a laughable gimmick.
Wait a week or two and we will get "bringing back hanging".
That will get the juices rising amongst the blood lusts.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 17:05:32 GMT
It's a laughable gimmick. Wait a week or two and we will get "bringing back hanging". That will get the juices rising amongst the blood lusts. In it's current form yes, it is a gimmick, but the general idea could be a good one. |
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