knobrot
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Post by knobrot on May 29, 2024 8:08:44 GMT
They had a brief fling in LI.Saw them beat Shrewsbury but with so many loanees they soon fell by the wayside.When I reffed there once ,John Sillett who not long previously had won the FA Cup with Coventry was their manager. Graham Turner in particular ‘gave in’ to pressure exerted by midlands clubs to take players on loan which of course saw surges in performance that fell apart at the end of most seasons. Again we have seen Rovers taking loan players to the maximum number allowed and then leaving massive vacuums when they can’t be recruited permanently. I remember the days when every Saturday we were watching a Rovers team at Eastville with the reserve side pivotal on bringing players to the level the then football combination league provided. Indeed we regularly took in a Tuesday night youth team fixture as well. Of course when it was a shilling ( 5p to all you whipper snappers on here )to get in to see the first team, football was a different beast/business compared to today. The point though is Bert Tann could operate a ‘no buy no sell’ policy due to the non stop production line he had to support it. The other pipeline was over here with Clifton Athletic that saw recruitment throughout the valleys with the likes of Frankie Prince, Wayne Jones and many others added to the mix. David Williams (moon boots) was a teacher at the high school across the road from where I live while still playing for the Rovers.
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warehamgas
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Post by warehamgas on May 29, 2024 9:17:59 GMT
They had a brief fling in LI.Saw them beat Shrewsbury but with so many loanees they soon fell by the wayside.When I reffed there once ,John Sillett who not long previously had won the FA Cup with Coventry was their manager. Graham Turner in particular ‘gave in’ to pressure exerted by midlands clubs to take players on loan which of course saw surges in performance that fell apart at the end of most seasons. Again we have seen Rovers taking loan players to the maximum number allowed and then leaving massive vacuums when they can’t be recruited permanently. I remember the days when every Saturday we were watching a Rovers team at Eastville with the reserve side pivotal on bringing players to the level the then football combination league provided. Indeed we regularly took in a Tuesday night youth team fixture as well. Of course when it was a shilling ( 5p to all you whipper snappers on here )to get in to see the first team, football was a different beast/business compared to today. The point though is Bert Tann could operate a ‘no buy no sell’ policy due to the non stop production line he had to support it. The other pipeline was over here with Clifton Athletic that saw recruitment throughout the valleys with the likes of Frankie Prince, Wayne Jones and many others added to the mix. David Williams (moon boots) was a teacher at the high school across the road from where I live while still playing for the Rovers. Indeed, but the ‘no buy no sell’ policy could only operate in the 50s and early 60s whilst there was the maximum wage. Once that was gone it became the open market. Before it there was no incentive to move or try to improve yourself. You're right about the dependency on loans. Unfortunately most lower league clubs, us included, depend upon them now. As do the PL clubs, who depend on us taking them. Bert Tann would turn in his grave to see the youth structure we currently have. Basically, we don’t have one. Sadly. UTG!
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Post by rideintothesun on May 29, 2024 18:49:27 GMT
Graham Turner in particular ‘gave in’ to pressure exerted by midlands clubs to take players on loan which of course saw surges in performance that fell apart at the end of most seasons. Again we have seen Rovers taking loan players to the maximum number allowed and then leaving massive vacuums when they can’t be recruited permanently. I remember the days when every Saturday we were watching a Rovers team at Eastville with the reserve side pivotal on bringing players to the level the then football combination league provided. Indeed we regularly took in a Tuesday night youth team fixture as well. Of course when it was a shilling ( 5p to all you whipper snappers on here )to get in to see the first team, football was a different beast/business compared to today. The point though is Bert Tann could operate a ‘no buy no sell’ policy due to the non stop production line he had to support it. The other pipeline was over here with Clifton Athletic that saw recruitment throughout the valleys with the likes of Frankie Prince, Wayne Jones and many others added to the mix. David Williams (moon boots) was a teacher at the high school across the road from where I live while still playing for the Rovers. Indeed, but the ‘no buy no sell’ policy could only operate in the 50s and early 60s whilst there was the maximum wage. Once that was gone it became the open market. Before it there was no incentive to move or try to improve yourself. You're right about the dependency on loans. Unfortunately most lower league clubs, us included, depend upon them now. As do the PL clubs, who depend on us taking them. Bert Tann would turn in his grave to see the youth structure we currently have. Basically, we don’t have one. Sadly. UTG! The sad fact is that the vast majority of youth players will not have a long, let alone successful careers in professional football. If you look at the England U-19 or U-20 team 10 or 15 years later, it invariably makes for sad reading. When you consider that PL clubs, with vastly superior coaches and facilities, routinely fail to produce young players, you see just how unlikely it is that we will be able to consistently bring through young players into the first team. Up to a very late stage in their development, it is very difficult to tell if players will cut it at the level of league football. I always think back to Marvin Brown at BCFC, who was hyped up to the stars and who never came close. Oddly, it is the ones hyped to the stars who invariably fail to make it (Mike Davis) and the ones who aren't regarded as outstanding (Andy Gurney, Lee Archer and Lee Browning) who go on to have responsible careers in the lower leagues. Quite clearly, there are factors other than ability at play, including the ability to overcome setbacks and to perform under pressure. A lot of our successes have been players released by other clubs (Gareth Taylor) or even by ourselves (Chris Lines). I would suggest this is where our limited resources should increasingly be focused.
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bluetornados
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Post by bluetornados on May 29, 2024 21:23:37 GMT
Early League One promotion odds: Birmingham favourites with Bristol Rovers backed for mid-table..by Daniel Hargraves.
League One 2024/25 promotion odds in full:
Birmingham City - Evens
Bolton Wanderers - 3/1
Huddersfield Town - 7/2
Peterborough United, Wrexham and Rotherham United - 9/2
Barnsley - 5/1
Charlton Athletic, Wycombe Wanderers and Stockport County - 6/1
Reading and Lincoln City - 13/2
Blackpool and Wigan Athletic - 7/1
Bristol Rovers, Mansfield Town and Stevenage - 12/1
Leyton Orient - 14/1
Exeter City - 16/1
Cambridge United and Northampton Town - 25/1
Burton Albion and Shrewsbury Town - 33/1
Crawley Town - 40/1
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