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Post by warehamgas on May 15, 2024 9:59:02 GMT
Absolutely. His age has taken over when it should have been his performances that determine his future. He has found it harder to be effective consistently over the past two years but in the right conditions and well managed over workload he’s been as good as any. What would worry me is the inability of the England selectors to know who will replace him. There is no one who stands out as a replacement for him. Wood, Stone, Archer are all prone to injury and are not reliable. Woakes is reliable but struggles on flat wickets and people like Overton, Carse, Potts haven’t seized their chances when they came. Robinson seems to be the pick of the rest. Pennington, Tongue are just good county cricketers. Losing Anderson and Broad together means losing 1400+ test wickets. Quite a problem. And of course when a fast bowler does emerge will they be attracted to the white ball game as an easy career which is well paid. I don’t think replacing Anderson is a problem unique to England in test cricket. Other countries will find it difficult to replace their stars.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 4, 2024 20:56:41 GMT
James Anderson could still play for Lancashire - Dale Benkenstein..i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/01/11/86781163-0-image-a-5_1719830019715.jpgJames Anderson has not ruled out continuing to play county cricket after his England retirement, says Lancashire head coach Dale Benkenstein. England's leading wicket taker of all time will play his 188th and final Test match against the West Indies at Lord's, starting next Wednesday. The 41-year-old has taken 700 Test wickets, the most by a pace bowler. "I think the positive thing is that it's not a no [to Anderson returning]. We are not pressuring him. He's been fantastic, he's had an incredible career," Benkenstein told BBC Radio Lancashire. "He definitely can still play, it'll just be whether he still has the desire to want to. Bowling is hard work and we will let him make the decision when the time is right." Anderson, who turns 42 at the end of July, will remain with the England squad throughout the summer in a coaching capacity as a fast-bowling mentor. "Everyone talks about age but he's in such good physical shape and that zip is there," Benkenstein added. "You can see the difference between him and the other bowlers - even in the opposition. "I think that's probably the question mark that everyone has on him getting older but he's still got it. He hasn't bowled for about five months so he looked in great shape." Anderson took 7-35 in his first appearance of the season for Lancashire on Tuesday - the best figures in the County Championship this season. Lancashire's next four-day game starts on 22nd August at Division One leaders Surrey.
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Post by alftupper on Jul 12, 2024 6:10:28 GMT
Situation is beyond me. Anderson needs 6 more victims to become the second most prolific test wicket taker in history. I know that we`re looking to the future, but surely they could have given the guy all 3 tests against the West Indies. It`s not as if he`s letting us down with the ball. In this match so far, he`s taken 3-37 from 20 overs. Even when not actually taking wickets, he`s tying up one end to enable others to get in on the act. The powers that be, should reconsider. Ending Anderson`s test career now, is the worst decision since John Kennedy decided to take the car downtown.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 12, 2024 7:56:28 GMT
Situation is beyond me. Anderson needs 6 more victims to become the second most prolific test wicket taker in history. I know that we`re looking to the future, but surely they could have given the guy all 3 tests against the West Indies. It`s not as if he`s letting us down with the ball. In this match so far, he`s taken 3-37 from 20 overs. Even when not actually taking wickets, he`s tying up one end to enable others to get in on the act. The powers that be, should reconsider. Ending Anderson`s test career now, is the worst decision since John Kennedy decided to take the car downtown. Agree, knowing at the start JA only needed 9 more wickets to beat the great late Shane Warne, he probably would get them in 3 tests v the Windies. It is a crying shame really and the England head honcho(s) should be hanging their heads in embarrassment....
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 12, 2024 8:04:39 GMT
Absolutely. His age has taken over when it should have been his performances that determine his future. He has found it harder to be effective consistently over the past two years but in the right conditions and well managed over workload he’s been as good as any. What would worry me is the inability of the England selectors to know who will replace him. There is no one who stands out as a replacement for him. Wood, Stone, Archer are all prone to injury and are not reliable. Woakes is reliable but struggles on flat wickets and people like Overton, Carse, Potts haven’t seized their chances when they came. Robinson seems to be the pick of the rest. Pennington, Tongue are just good county cricketers. Losing Anderson and Broad together means losing 1400+ test wickets. Quite a problem. And of course when a fast bowler does emerge will they be attracted to the white ball game as an easy career which is well paid. I don’t think replacing Anderson is a problem unique to England in test cricket. Other countries will find it difficult to replace their stars. Today will be Jimmy Anderson's last day performing for England imo, all greats have to end sometime somewhere, but.... All those you have listed will and can play a part when their time comes, but to be as consistant as our Jimmy is another question.. I have wondered for a few years now just how long Test cricket can last for, this current test will only be 2.1/2 days as it is.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 12, 2024 13:56:45 GMT
Jimmy ended his final test match for England with match figures of Overs: 26.4, Maidens: 10, Runs: 58, Wickets: 4, Economy: 2.19
Jimmy also bowled his 40,000th ball in test cricket v the West Indies - WOWichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/12/3240e2bc-23e3-4aa8-a652-9c9ae899d5a7.jpgichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/12/16da361b-a9a0-45a1-8c51-279004d886e2.jpgichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/12/35d98806-86dc-4a53-ae48-9c8919ca75cd.jpgBut it's Jimmy Anderson who takes the match ball and soaks in the applause as he walks off at Lord's. He may not have taken the last wicket but the result will mean more to him. An incredible end for an incredible player. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/12/c61daeaf-7e8b-4e23-8d05-5f3de2d3b3c1.jpgPhil Tufnell, Former England spinner on BBC Test Match Special.An absolute bona fide legend of the game. The longevity, the skill, the sacrifice, the smile, the highs and lows. He is part of the furniture. Like a big comfy sofa for England cricket. When the going gets tough he has always been there to bowl that spell, give the skipper something. It has been an emotional day, but he got the send-off he thoroughly deserves. James Anderson speaking to Sky Sports in the England dressing room: "I am still gutted I dropped that catch. It has been an amazing week. I have been overwhelmed by the reaction. I am just proud of what I have achieved. Asked if he has held his emotions together: "I think I have. This morning was quite emotional with the two teams and the reaction of the crowd. I am still trying to hold them [the tears] back. I am just really proud. Playing for 20 years is an incredible effort. I am happy I have made it this far and stayed injury free. Playing for England is the best job in the world so I am lucky to have been able to do it for a long time." James Anderson, speaking to Sky Sports, about what he will miss most: "The feeling we have got now of winning a Test match. There is no better feeling. Everyone has put in the graft. Sharing other people's success as well. Gus was amazing. Jamie Smith on debut as well, incredible. To get to sit in here after a win and celebrate those performances is an incredible thing I am definitely going to miss." And on the future and potentially playing again for Lancashire: Can I enjoy my pint first? I have not thought that far ahead. I will stick ahead for the summer to try help the bowling group as much as I can. We will see where life takes us." ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/12/fbeeec86-cd05-4758-8ff5-feb55a30f769.jpgJames Anderson, speaking to Test Match Special: "I'm a bit overwhelmed actually. I have been all week. Walking to the ground, taking to the field. The crowd, the players. It has been amazing. It feels really special. "It is special to win and to contribute as well. I'm happy I got a couple of top-order batters out in the second innings." On his dropped catch: "It would have been nice to get that catch. I should have got two hands to it. It was an awkward height and didn't stick. But I'm just happy we got the win. I am also buzzing for Gus. He has been around the group for a while now. He has worked really hard and to see him go out there and perform like that is amazing." On an emotional week: "I have been using hayfever as an excuse all week. There's been a few moments when it has been emotional. My daughters ringing the bell, walking out this morning. When I ran up to bowl my first ball I was in a daze and had not even thought where I was going to bowl." ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/12/7b5080f9-aee3-4521-b72c-f463bc099930.jpgIndia legend Sachin Tendulkar on X: Hey Jimmy! You've bowled the fans over with that incredible 22-year spell. Here's a little wish as you bid goodbye. It has been a joy to watch you bowl - with that action, speed, accuracy, swing and fitness. You've inspired generations with your game. Wish you a wonderful life ahead with good health and happiness as you put those new shoes on for the most important spell of your life - the time with family. ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/12/132bafc2-4564-48f5-882c-9a4d05ae7401.jpgMore from James Anderson, speaking to Test Match Special: "To see Lord's full and play like we did, a dominant performance. It was a placid surface and we had to run in hard to get anything out of it. On his reception from the crowd: "It was incredible. Even walking out to bat. I am gutted I didn't get to play one more reverse-sweep. It has been overwhelming to see the reaction of people this week. I didn't expect it. You don't think you deserve it as a player, so it has been incredible." On what is next: "It is difficult to know. I have never retired before so it is hard to think about how you will feel. It is good that I am sticking with the group all summer. We have a group of talented young bowlers who can have a great career at this level. So this is my job for the rest of the summer. "At some point I will sit down and reflect on my career I've never really done that you are always thinking about the next series and next game." On the support from his family: "I don't think anyone can play Test cricket without having that support network behind them. Parents driving you around as a kid, family at home when you are going on tour for long spells, it can be tough. Without that support I would not have achieved what I have. "We talked about creating memories as a team, so for my family to create memories this week - my girls ringing the bell is really special. They have played as a big a role as I have." ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/12/e78d225e-def5-4b61-a979-4fc8f5ae21db.jpg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2024 21:01:59 GMT
100% with Alf. If Anderson doesn't take wickets, he gets maidens, keeps economy, always holds his end, and pressurises batsmen. Why retire him? Just pick him when he's the best available, and rest him when someone else is in better form. Now he's had his 'retirement' guard of honour let him bowl for Lancs and recall him for England whenever he's the best swing bowler available.
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Post by alftupper on Jul 15, 2024 7:49:54 GMT
100% with Alf. If Anderson doesn't take wickets, he gets maidens, keeps economy, always holds his end, and pressurises batsmen. Why retire him? Just pick him when he's the best available, and rest him when someone else is in better form. Now he's had his 'retirement' guard of honour let him bowl for Lancs and recall him for England whenever he's the best swing bowler available. Even more so with the summer we`re having. Conditions ideal for him. Drop Kane, and recall Jimmy! ( Mixing metaphors, I know. )
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 15, 2024 11:38:51 GMT
I agree with above about James Anderson. Yes bt, test cricket is in trouble. WI, South Africa can’t get players of the calibre of yesteryear in red ball cricket and I’m nit sure they’re committed to that format.. Problems for Pakistan, Afghanistan as to where to play the longer format make their presence in the form very inconsistent. Zimbabwe have more or less disappeared from test cricket. Leaving England, Australia, Bangladesh, India and New Zealand. Bangladesh struggle in conditions outside of their home and NZ draw from such a small pool of players that they have to wait for the next generation of players to come through.
I’d suggest that only India, Australia and England are competitive when it comes to test cricket though South Africans may argue. And the issue of James Anderson and his retirement is a wonderful example of why test cricket is being threatened. Red ball cricket in England is a real dilemma. The ECB don’t know what to do. Rob Key and his bosses see ‘The Ashes’ as the only important form of test cricket which has meant red ball cricket in England can be divided into actual Ashes cricket or preparation for the next Ashes. All red ball cricket is defined in these terms, nothing else. At the moment everything is geared to Englands preparation for 25/26 tour to Australia and getting the best team for that. We’re in the preparing for the Ashes stage and will be this and next season.
As James Anderson has never done over well in Australia he was never going to be considered so he has been jettisoned irrespective of his effectiveness in English conditions and it’s all about getting the 4/ 5 pace bowlers to be in the squad. Wood should be a choice as would Archer, but there are real questions over his fitness. Woakes never threatens overseas so I doubt he’ll go, albeit a fine bowler and very good No.8 batsman. Atkinson will be high on the list now and should be he’s developed a good record of wickets and achievements for Surrey and now England. I’m not sure who else will go at this stage.
The spin options are also another example of the England red ball dilemma. It appears that Jack Leach has been omitted and told he’s second choice spinner for Australia because they want Bashir instead for Australia. Bashir still has no solid record of experience nor achievement and his long cricket this season has been either poor or non existent. He’s not ready, yet a prover spinner like Leach has been left out because everything’s about ‘the Ashes’.
England should play their best team in whatever series they are playing. 3/4 series down the line doesn't greatly matter. Choose your best players. (It won’t happen!)
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Post by alftupper on Jul 16, 2024 9:19:19 GMT
I agree with above about James Anderson. Yes bt, test cricket is in trouble. WI, South Africa can’t get players of the calibre of yesteryear in red ball cricket and I’m nit sure they’re committed to that format.. Problems for Pakistan, Afghanistan as to where to play the longer format make their presence in the form very inconsistent. Zimbabwe have more or less disappeared from test cricket. Leaving England, Australia, Bangladesh, India and New Zealand. Bangladesh struggle in conditions outside of their home and NZ draw from such a small pool of players that they have to wait for the next generation of players to come through. I’d suggest that only India, Australia and England are competitive when it comes to test cricket though South Africans may argue. And the issue of James Anderson and his retirement is a wonderful example of why test cricket is being threatened. Red ball cricket in England is a real dilemma. The ECB don’t know what to do. Rob Key and his bosses see ‘The Ashes’ as the only important form of test cricket which has meant red ball cricket in England can be divided into actual Ashes cricket or preparation for the next Ashes. All red ball cricket is defined in these terms, nothing else. At the moment everything is geared to Englands preparation for 25/26 tour to Australia and getting the best team for that. We’re in the preparing for the Ashes stage and will be this and next season. As James Anderson has never done over well in Australia he was never going to be considered so he has been jettisoned irrespective of his effectiveness in English conditions and it’s all about getting the 4/ 5 pace bowlers to be in the squad. Wood should be a choice as would Archer, but there are real questions over his fitness. Woakes never threatens overseas so I doubt he’ll go, albeit a fine bowler and very good No.8 batsman. Atkinson will be high on the list now and should be he’s developed a good record of wickets and achievements for Surrey and now England. I’m not sure who else will go at this stage. The spin options are also another example of the England red ball dilemma. It appears that Jack Leach has been omitted and told he’s second choice spinner for Australia because they want Bashir instead for Australia. Bashir still has no solid record of experience nor achievement and his long cricket this season has been either poor or non existent. He’s not ready, yet a prover spinner like Leach has been left out because everything’s about ‘the Ashes’. England should play their best team in whatever series they are playing. 3/4 series down the line doesn't greatly matter. Choose your best players. (It won’t happen!) Wood and Archer will probably get injured going through customs, at Sydney airport. Agree absolutely with your last couple of sentences.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 19, 2024 8:20:28 GMT
Ben Stokes refuses to explain his decision to end Jimmy Anderson's Test career for fear of being accused of 'ageism' as he persists with 35-year-old Chris Woakes despite Lord's struggle..by Lawrence Booth.i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/17/15/87449651-0-image-a-7_1721226676403.jpgEngland embark on life after Jimmy Anderson on Thursday, with skipper Ben Stokes reluctant to explain the decision to usher him into retirement for fear of sounding 'ageist'. The second Test against West Indies at Trent Bridge will instead provide Chris Woakes with the chance to lead the attack on his 50th appearance, and confirm the selectors were right to stick with him while dispensing with Anderson. Woakes said after England's innings win at Lord's that he did not rule out making the trip to Australia in 16 months' time, despite averaging 51 with the ball in his seven Tests there. But when Stokes was asked why the 35-year-old Woakes was being treated differently to the 41-year-old Anderson if neither had any realistic prospect of taking part in the next Ashes, he hesitated, before saying: 'I don't know how to explain it properly without being ageist.' For those already furious that Anderson has had his career ended against his will, the sight of him helping out at training at a venue where his 73 Test wickets cost just 19 apiece cannot have soothed tempers. Yet with the 34-year-old Mark Wood, who has been preferred to uncapped Nottinghamshire quick Dillon Pennington, long earmarked for Australia, England clearly could not risk taking three veterans on a gruelling five-match tour. And to judge from last summer's Ashes, they had little choice: while Anderson's five wickets in the series cost 85 each, it was Woakes (with 19 at 18) and Wood (14 at 20) who changed the course of the summer after coming in for the third Test at Headingley. Stokes insisted that everyone in the current squad is 'in contention' for the Ashes, and described the notion that Woakes's overseas career was finished as 'not as cut and dry as that'. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/17/20/87462957-0-image-a-2_1721244216695.jpgIn reality, England have simply settled on the two senior bowlers they believe have offered more in the last year, having taken the view that Anderson was finished at the highest level. The decision to give the new ball in this Test to Woakes and Gus Atkinson, whose 12-wicket haul on debut at Lord's was almost lost amid the Anderson fanfare, is a show of faith in both men. Woakes gets the chance to prove that his below-par display at Lord's was not a sign of things to come, with Stokes pointing out that the recent death of his father, Roger, had created 'a lot of emotion' during the week of the game — more than onlookers realised. Atkinson, meanwhile, will open the bowling for only the fifth red-ball game in his career — and for the first time since May 2022. But England are excited about unleashing him and Wood in the same game against demoralised opponents who were skittled at Lord's for 121 and 136 in a total of 88.4 overs — the equivalent of a day. 'You ask any batter in the world, whether it be Joe Root, Steve Smith, Marnus Labuschagne,' said Stokes. 'Pace is a massive weapon that makes you do different things. It makes you think differently.'
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Post by alftupper on Jul 19, 2024 8:28:05 GMT
B'You ask any batter in the world, whether it be Joe Root, Steve Smith, Marnus Labuschagne,' said Stokes. 'Pace is a massive weapon that makes you do different things. It makes you think differently.' Still seems a piss poor reason for not picking Anderson. In English conditions, is there anyone better at making the batsmen do different things? Or making them think differently?
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 13, 2024 8:36:22 GMT
England great James Anderson considering white ball return..i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/22/00/39590218-9284511-Another_secret_to_Anderson_s_longevity_is_his_managed_diet_and_a-a-57_1613952811796.jpgJames Anderson says he is "still fit enough" to continue his cricket career and will consider a move into white ball cricket. The 42-year-old, the most prolific fast bowler in Test history, announced his retirement from international cricket after England's win against the West Indies at Lord's in July. While Anderson stopped short of announcing his retirement from cricket, his immediate transition into a coaching and mentoring role with England suggested that his playing days were over. But Anderson, who took 704 wickets in 188 tests, says he's "open" to prolonging his career by playing short form cricket. "I might be in a bit of denial because I'm well aware I won't play for England again, but I've still not made a decision on my actual cricket career," Anderson told the Press Association. "There's definitely a bit of intrigue with the shorter formats because I've not played any franchise stuff before. Watching The Hundred this year, seeing the ball swing around, it makes me feel like I could do a job there. "I know it's a while since I played it and my age will get brought up again but I really feel I'll be good enough to play that form of cricket." Anderson added he would make a decision on his future at the end of the summer and he is "not shutting myself off to anything." Anderson's last 20-over match was in 2014 as he dedicated the last 10 years of his career to red ball cricket. England are keen to tap into Anderson's expertise before the 2025 Ashes series in Australia by retaining him in a coaching role.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 16, 2024 17:22:37 GMT
James Anderson a target for USA's Major League Cricket..by Timothy Abraham, BBC Sport Journalisti.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/13/09/88471445-13736849-image-a-3_1723536040226.jpgEngland's all-time leading Test wicket-taker James Anderson is a surprise target for Major League Cricket. BBC Sport understands senior figures with at least one MLC team have had their interest fooled by Anderson's comments last month about a return to white-ball cricket. The unnamed franchise are now set to explore whether the 42-year-old would be interested in participating in the third edition of the T20 tournament in the United States next year. Anderson could earn about £135,000 from a short stint in MLC, which lured some stellar names from the game for the 2024 edition. The most high profile of those was Australia captain Pat Cummins, who has a lucrative contract with the San Francisco Unicorns until 2027. Fellow Australians Steve Smith, Glenn Maxwell and Travis Head were all part of the star-studded Washington Freedom team, coached by Ricky Ponting, which won this year's tournament. Anderson, who finished with 704 Test wickets, retired from international cricket following the first Test against West Indies at Lord's in July. He immediately joined the England backroom team and remains on a central contract with the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) until the end of September. Anderson said last week he would continue in his role as a fast-bowling mentor for England's Test series against Pakistan in October and was planning to join the side for their tour of New Zealand in December. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/13/09/88471663-13736849-image-a-14_1723536945553.jpgAnderson's last competitive T20 match was in 2014, when he played in the Blast for Lancashire. His decision to dedicate the last 10 years of his career to red-ball cricket means he has never played franchise cricket overseas but he believes he is "fit enough" and "good enough" to play the format. The league, which has influential backers including Microsoft chief executive Satya Nadella, has expressed a desire to lure some of England's top players to the competition. England World Cup winners Liam Plunkett and Jason Roy have both taken part in the past two versions of MLC. In May 2023, Roy gave up his ECB white-ball contract worth up to £70,000 to sign a two-year deal with the Los Angeles Knight Riders worth £300,000. MLC launched in 2023 with a 19-game season but will expand to 34 games in 2025. The tournament was granted official List A status in May.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 13, 2024 19:08:04 GMT
England legend Jimmy Anderson has 'urge' to extend playing career..by Stephan Shemilt, Chief cricket writer in Multan
ss-i.thgim.com/public/incoming/fwyhh3/article68397682.ece/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1200/2161752955.jpg James Anderson leaves the field after his final test appearance on day 3 of 1st Test Match between England and the West Indies at LordsJames Anderson says he has the "urge" to keep playing but is undecided on how he will extend his career. Anderson, England’s all-time leading wicket-taker, retired from Test cricket in July and has since been working as the team’s coaching consultant. In August he suggested he may explore franchise cricket, attracting interest from the United States, while the 42-year-old could also continue to play domestically for Lancashire. "I have got a couple of months to make a call on what I do next year but in my head I would like to," said Anderson. "I still feel fit, I still have the urge to get a ball in my hand, so I would like to give it a go. If anyone will take me is a different question altogether." Asked if he still has an "itch to scratch" as a player, Anderson told BBC Sport: "There definitely is for me. Whether someone else would like to scratch that itch for me is another question. "I do miss it and I do feel like I enjoy coming to the nets and getting the ball in my hand." Anderson has not played any white-ball cricket since 2019 and his last T20 match was in 2014. In his only outing for Lancashire in the County Championship last summer he took 7-35 against Nottinghamshire at Southport. He said he was not "not sure" if he would prefer to play red-ball or limited-overs cricket, but did confirm he would again be part of England’s coaching team for the Test series in New Zealand in November and December. Anderson joined England’s tour of Pakistan late, arriving for the second day of the first Test after playing golf in the Alfred Dunhill Links Championship. That move caused some debate, and head coach Brendon McCullum was foolly when answering questions about Anderson’s absence on the eve of the first Test, which England won. And Anderson said he was surprised at the attention the issue attracted. "I didn’t accept that invitation before speaking to Baz about it," he said. "I’m not full-time with England, I’m a consultant. He didn’t see an issue with it. "I was still in contact with the bowlers and in the end it didn’t really matter that I wasn’t here. I thought we bowled really well. I’m lucky that Baz is such an understanding fella. "The last few tours I went on we didn’t have a bowling coach. It is good for the lads to take some responsibility. In the end it didn’t matter did it?"
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